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[Canucker]

Tocchet and Foote have always preferred bigger and more physical guys on the backend. It makes absolute sense given these guys played with or against the Stevens, Hatchers and Prongers back in the day.

Undersized guys will continue to have a hard time breaking through unless they are fully elite or physical. It was the same case in Arizona with him...

I hate to break it to them but Forbort, Desharnais and Myers are not Stevens, Hatcher or Pronger...they're not even Marek Malik...they're probably closer to Andrew Alberts. lol

 

[kanucks25]

Ideally the coaching staff wouldn't even have to discuss which of Desharnais, Juulsen, Brannstrom, etc. they are going to play.

Management needs to provide better options. Otherwise you're just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

What are the facts?

What are you on about man?

 

[JT Milker]

What are you on about man?

What are the facts that show Hronek performs poorly without Hughes

 

[Baby Pettersson]

The fact that we're even upset that Brannstrom wasn't playing and now is getting waived is a testament to how bad our defense is.

If we had a good team this would be a nothing move not even worth the discussion.

Allvin really needs to fix this defence if they are serious about winning.

 

[DFAC]

I don't even know what to say.



Can anyone honestly say Juulsen is better?

Juulsen plays RD and this coaching staff has shown it's unwilling to play guys on their off sides

 

[Vector]

Juulsen plays RD and this coaching staff has shown it's unwilling to play guys on their off sides

Except last night.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It's only half about Brannstrom, but mostly about having to watch juulsen cost goals against, cause turnovers and icings ,and cannot make a pass.

Brannstrom could be Friedman or Wolanin or anyone who can just be a competent, decent sixth defenseman.

Just need to add a solid 4/5 and get hronek back and things start to fall I to place alot better.

Also so many teams still in the wildcard races prices are high and options are few, so we may have to wait until the 4nations deadline for trades to heat up.

 

[604]

Not really.

I think the scouting report on Hronek in Detroit was that he's a player that showed some solid all around potential but was never consistent enough to anchor a legit top-4 pairing.

The Canucks targeted someone they felt had untapped potential that they could coach up. He was never as good in Detroit as he's been as a Canuck.

Even as a Canuck he still has to prove it. I wouldn't be surprised if it works but going from playing with Hughes to carrying someone like Soucy is night and day.

He was +8 with 38 points in 60 games carrying the second pair in Detroit, behind Mo Seider.

They didn’t want to pay him top pair dollars to play as 2RHD so they traded him.

He’s come to Vancouver and shown he can play on a top pair, you say he needs to carry a pair (which he did in Detroit).

So in Detroit, he wasn’t a top pair guy, in Vancouver, he can’t carry a pairing. In reality, he’s just a good hockey player whom we miss a lot.

 

[David71]

Hronek is the most likely scenario but until after the road trip.

i dont even think that hes ready. shoulder injury takes a bit of time to recover. can he even shoot or pass the puck?

 

[Vector]

i dont even think that hes ready. shoulder injury takes a bit of time to recover. can he even shoot or pass the puck?

He’s in Abbotsford practicing.

 

[David71]

He’s in Abbotsford practicing.

practicing is different from game situations. maybe he should play a few more games in abby to see what happens?

 

[Vector]

practicing is different from game situations. maybe he should play a few more games in abby to see what happens?

That won’t be happening according to his agent.

 

[David71]

That won’t be happening according to his agent.

oh guess we shall see. hughes myers, soucy hronek, brisbois/deharnais/jewels.

 

[racerjoe]

Re-looking at the Hronek injury, I think it was probable a broken collarbone. They fixed his knee while they had the time off.

 

[DFAC]

Re-looking at the Hronek injury, I think it was probable a broken collarbone. They fixed his knee while they had the time off.

Whatever was ailing him, I just want to see him rip the puck from the point

 

[arttk]

Whatever was ailing him, I just want to see him rip the puck from the point

Yeah we miss his point shots.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I think Hronek is very underrated. I think because he plays with Hughes he doesn't get any credit. I'd love for him to run his own pairing with Soucy when he's back and keep Myers up with Hughes.

 

[Lindgren]

I think Hronek is very underrated. I think because he plays with Hughes he doesn't get any credit. I'd love for him to run his own pairing with Soucy when he's back and keep Myers up with Hughes.

To me it seems like the move with the most obvious potential to improve the team, barring a trade.

 

[kanucks25]

He was +8 with 38 points in 60 games carrying the second pair in Detroit, behind Mo Seider.

They didn’t want to pay him top pair dollars to play as 2RHD so they traded him.

He’s come to Vancouver and shown he can play on a top pair, you say he needs to carry a pair (which he did in Detroit).

So in Detroit, he wasn’t a top pair guy, in Vancouver, he can’t carry a pairing. In reality, he’s just a good hockey player whom we miss a lot.

Carrying a second pairing on a rebuilding team with no aspirations is a little different than carrying a 2nd pairing on a team that is aiming to do damage in the playoffs.

Fact is Detroit never really believed in his ability to be a legit top-4 D-man on a contending team, if they did they would have kept him. Typically teams just don't let go of quality D-men in their prime that are under team control. They could really use him now instead of playing the likes of Justin Holl or the carcass of Jeff Petry on their right side.

Nothing against Hronek, who has been excellent here.

 

[kanucks25]

I think Hronek is very underrated. I think because he plays with Hughes he doesn't get any credit. I'd love for him to run his own pairing with Soucy when he's back and keep Myers up with Hughes.

I don't know if he's underrated, if anything his absence has made it abundantly clear how important he is to the team.

I'll just have to see a Soucy - Hronek pairing excel before I believe it.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Not really.

I think the scouting report on Hronek in Detroit was that he's a player that showed some solid all around potential but was never consistent enough to anchor a legit top-4 pairing.

you need a lot of hyperbole on what constitutes a top 4 dman to get to that conclusion.

i think hronek is a 3d with 2nd unit pp skills or else he's a complimentary 2d. how many lineups in the nhl are there where he is only the 4th best dman if you parachute him in?

 

[kanucks25]

you need a lot of hyperbole on what constitutes a top 4 dman to get to that conclusion.

i think hronek is a 3d with 2nd unit pp skills or else he's a complimentary 2d. how many lineups in the nhl are there where he is only the 4th best dman if you parachute him in?

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I'm a fan of Hronek's; he's performed like a 3D (at worst) so far as a Canuck.

I just don't think he was at that level in Detroit, nor was he perceived to be at that level by the league as a whole. And by that "level" I mean like legit stud with a bullet top-4 D-man.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I'm a fan of Hronek's; he's performed like a 3D (at worst) so far as a Canuck.

I just don't think he was at that level in Detroit, nor was he perceived to be at that level by the league as a whole. And by that "level" I mean like legit stud with a bullet top-4 D-man.

i am not sure i ever heard him characterized a #4 dman at the time we acquired him even among those who disliked the trade.

i think he's been a good complimentary 2d with us most of the time, but he could also be a 3d and anchor a 2nd pair if he has an average 4dman. he's not good enough to make a good 2nd pairing with a below average partner.

i don't think a 4 dman is ever a legit stud by the way. a good 4 dman is a competent 2-way player with limited offence, or a guy with offence who can't quite defend reliably. occasionally he's a big violent good defence player with a limited hockey iq who makes his teammates braver.

 

[Quinning]

Lol, Sprong is such an idiot with those comments.