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Let me know when you've seen that for any amount of time.

Wasn’t he exactly that for the Red Wings?

 

[kanucks25]

Wasn’t he exactly that for the Red Wings?

Not really.

I think the scouting report on Hronek in Detroit was that he's a player that showed some solid all around potential but was never consistent enough to anchor a legit top-4 pairing.

The Canucks targeted someone they felt had untapped potential that they could coach up. He was never as good in Detroit as he's been as a Canuck.

Even as a Canuck he still has to prove it. I wouldn't be surprised if it works but going from playing with Hughes to carrying someone like Soucy is night and day.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Rutherford likes fast players Brock is not. Alvin likes Brock since he thinks he's a great goal scorer. I think.if they can move him in a hockey deal they will.

They're not getting a hockey deal for a pending UFA. You're getting rental prices.

In other words, we're getting say, Minnesota's 3-4th best prospect and a 1st or something along those lines. Nobody is trading us a top four defenseman or an equivalent but younger forward.

 

[JAK]

Assume I was in a coma, what happened between 9 and 40 to cause these trade talks? Was there actually anything, or is it all just speculation?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Brock’s been the best and most consistent forward the last calendar year. If he wants to stay, he’ll take a haircut. I’d prefer to keep him. Everyone on this team loves him and he’s playing the best hockey of his career. Such a smart player.

Assume I was in a coma, what happened between 9 and 40 to cause these trade talks? Was there actually anything, or is it all just speculation?

When there is smoke around a team, the fans well…fan it. Then little fires everywhere.

I’m gonna go give that Rich Keefe guy some more clicks to manifest a trade with the Broons.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

@JonesandKeefe
&
@DORKpodcast
. I can beat Mega Man 2 and Super Mario 2. Sword owner. Corncob TV subscriber. IG
@DORKpodcast
/ richkeefeweei

———
Ohhhhh I get it now. He’s a f***ing manchild. f***ing sword owner looooooooooooooool. Get real.

 

[andora]

Assume I was in a coma, what happened between 9 and 40 to cause these trade talks? Was there actually anything, or is it all just speculation?

Great phrasing of a question that would create awkwardness in attempted answers

 

[rypper]

Assume I was in a coma, what happened between 9 and 40 to cause these trade talks? Was there actually anything, or is it all just speculation?

Coach and cap both came out and said there was a little something to it.

 

[ginner classic]

It’s twenty twenty five and people still don’t think Hronek is a first pairing stud that could play away from Hughes without imploding.

No need for Hyperbole. Fair question if he can carry a weaker defender.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

No need for Hyperbole. Fair question if he can carry a weaker defender.

He can't, but we have no one else reliable to pair him with. If there was a way we can stabilize a 2nd pair with Hronek, you can pretty much put anyone with Hughes as long as they are able to make a crisp reverse or can find an outlet under pressure. I was hoping Desharnais would grow to be this guy. I still like him, but not quite there yet.

Just being able to kill 48 minutes of clock in the playoffs with 2 pairs is how Anaheim won in 2007. Your 3rd pairing is suddenly playing 12 minutes a night - a f***ing pretty darn good 12 minutes, as well.

 

[theguardianII]

"SELL THE TEAM"
The fan chants in Buffalo, with the owner in attendance.

I expect there will be massive offers for Pettersson now, maybe an offer too good to refuse.

Canucks might be able to get a blank check, name 1 defenceman not named Dhalin and two forwards and two unprotected firsts and 2 propsects. But add Hoglander or replace the forwards from the Canuck roster. EP would be one then Hoglander and Deharnais for "fill in the blank"

Two unprotected 1rst's, two forwards and one rostered dman.

Canucks;
Pettersson
Hoglander
Deharnais
2025 2nd

Buffalo;
Cozens
McLeod
Peyerka/Benson
Samuelsson
2025 & 2026 unprotected 1rst's

Canucks already have Hughes and Hronek so Samuelsson adds to the D depth in a top 4 role
Hogs is in the doghouse
Deharnais for cap space
2025 2 nd or 3rd for show
Miller as the #1 C and Cozens as #2C or RW with Trenin/Gaudreau as #2/3 C

The three forwards add scoring depth and will all fit under the new cap space so the team can add more at the TDL, either as rentals or longer term, they could even use their own 1rst (mid 20's) as a trade asset.

Buffalo Cap space change;
Out - 11.6 + 2 + 1 = 14.6 mil + existing 1.5 mil for a total of 16 mil
In - 7.25 + 2.1 + .855 + 4.285 = 14.5 mil

A net gain of 100K for use at the TDL as well as allowing for a 1rst rnd pick for trade, 2 1rst's in both 2025 and 2026 or to add to.

Four 1rst's in two years is like 4 years of building through he draft with only losing one roster player, albeit a star player.

Then there is the possible Boeser trade with Minny.
Jiricek and Trenin or Gaudreau

Cap space change;
out - 6.65 mil
in - 3.5 + .92 = 4.42 mil

A gain of another 2.23 mil in cap space.

Two roster players out and 5/6 NHL roster players with term in so the OEL and Mikheyev buyouts are neutralized and the team still has more trade assets and is younger.

Byram would be taking a big chance on a possible future concussion, that last one almost did him in. AND the team needs more defensive type (Samuelsson) dmen and a future possible RHD stud (Jiricek) under cap control for the next 6 yrs in Jiricek.

The other "business" aspect is if any didn't work out they all have pedigree and increase the asset pool if traded. Also internal competition for spots for the younger guys Lekkerimaki and Willander, keep the best.

AND
They stay under the cap.

 

[rypper]

Buffalo's season is already in the tank, I doubt they'll be trading an unprotected first. They're already giving up a ton of value in that trade without adding it.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I really like that idea. Buffalo is feeling the urgency and could be on the precipice of stupid. Where does that leave us looking, just the first trade....? Keep in mind I don't get to see too many Sabre games.

DeBrusk-Miller-Boeser
Joshua-Cozens-Garland
Suter-McLeod-Sherwood
Heinen-Blueger-Peterka/Benson

Hughes-Myers
Samuelsson-Hronek
Soucy-?

Like, that's a pretty damn complete team based on what I know. That 3rd line looks like hell to play against, but Peterka/Benson stick out like a sore thumb on the 4th but I have a hard time seeing Tocc move either of them up unless absolutely necessary. Definitely still need a 3RD to fill the ?. I don't like Juulsen there, but he's fine as a 7th/8th injury option.

I doubt we'd get 2 unprotected firsts, but maybe 1 that we could flip to complete the lineup. Assuming full health, which in Vancouver historically never happens lol, That looks like a more serious contender.

I'll add the caveat that the Hughes/Myers pair won't work. They both like to skate the puck out of trouble, but I think Myers could adjust to it with Footer.

 

[Vector]

I hate that trade. Peterka is awesome (I’m still not a big Benson) but Cozens looks like a dud of a contract, Samuelsson is injured and getting healthy scratched, and McLeod has great PK utility but goes silent for long stretches at even strength.

 

[JT Milker]

No need for Hyperbole. Fair question if he can carry a weaker defender.

Not really.

He can't

Why not? What makes you think someone playing 25 highest leverage minutes couldn’t play 20 average minutes with a 4/5? He’s not Hughes who can continue to play 25 highest leverage minutes, but Hughes is also a generational talent.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Not really.


Why not? What makes you think someone playing 25 highest leverage minutes couldn’t play 20 average minutes with a 4/5? He’s not Hughes who can continue to play 25 highest leverage minutes, but Hughes is also a generational talent.

Because he hasn't already. He's not an anchor guy, he's a transitional guy. He's like fibre. He keeps shit moving. Which is fantastic, but you look at the team we have currently and there is absolutely no one who can buoy that ability.

He has utility, just not currently.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I hate that trade. Peterka is awesome (I’m still not a big Benson) but Cozens looks like a dud of a contract, Samuelsson is injured and getting healthy scratched, and McLeod has great PK utility but goes silent for long stretches at even strength.

I'm thinking of the more human variables that go into the equation, personally. I didnt like Cozens in his draft year, but he assumed leadership of two WJC teams - one of which was proclaimed to be the best since 2005 (which was always laughable, IMO). He has at least *shown* something at the NHL level unlike other busts off the top of my head. Nail Yakupov would have killed for a 68-point season.

Samuelsson I couldn't tell you much about, I'm not much of a defenseman but from what very little I've seen there's some intelligence there. You aren't buying high on any of these guys, so there is risk. But you don't get to drink the juice without a bit of squeeze.

It's kind of moot because I don't think Buffalo would take it, but he did enough work and put enough thought into it where you can at least workshop it, which is what I enjoy about the proposals section the most.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

"SELL THE TEAM"
The fan chants in Buffalo, with the owner in attendance.

I expect there will be massive offers for Pettersson now, maybe an offer too good to refuse.

Canucks might be able to get a blank check, name 1 defenceman not named Dhalin and two forwards and two unprotected firsts and 2 propsects. But add Hoglander or replace the forwards from the Canuck roster. EP would be one then Hoglander and Deharnais for "fill in the blank"

Two unprotected 1rst's, two forwards and one rostered dman.

Canucks;
Pettersson
Hoglander
Deharnais
2025 2nd

Buffalo;
Cozens
McLeod
Peyerka/Benson
Samuelsson
2025 & 2026 unprotected 1rst's

Canucks already have Hughes and Hronek so Samuelsson adds to the D depth in a top 4 role
Hogs is in the doghouse
Deharnais for cap space
2025 2 nd or 3rd for show
Miller as the #1 C and Cozens as #2C or RW with Trenin/Gaudreau as #2/3 C

The three forwards add scoring depth and will all fit under the new cap space so the team can add more at the TDL, either as rentals or longer term, they could even use their own 1rst (mid 20's) as a trade asset.

Buffalo Cap space change;
Out - 11.6 + 2 + 1 = 14.6 mil + existing 1.5 mil for a total of 16 mil
In - 7.25 + 2.1 + .855 + 4.285 = 14.5 mil

A net gain of 100K for use at the TDL as well as allowing for a 1rst rnd pick for trade, 2 1rst's in both 2025 and 2026 or to add to.

Four 1rst's in two years is like 4 years of building through he draft with only losing one roster player, albeit a star player.

Then there is the possible Boeser trade with Minny.
Jiricek and Trenin or Gaudreau

Cap space change;
out - 6.65 mil
in - 3.5 + .92 = 4.42 mil

A gain of another 2.23 mil in cap space.

Two roster players out and 5/6 NHL roster players with term in so the OEL and Mikheyev buyouts are neutralized and the team still has more trade assets and is younger.

Byram would be taking a big chance on a possible future concussion, that last one almost did him in. AND the team needs more defensive type (Samuelsson) dmen and a future possible RHD stud (Jiricek) under cap control for the next 6 yrs in Jiricek.

The other "business" aspect is if any didn't work out they all have pedigree and increase the asset pool if traded. Also internal competition for spots for the younger guys Lekkerimaki and Willander, keep the best.

AND
They stay under the cap.

No.

 

[Vector]

I'm thinking of the more human variables that go into the equation, personally. I didnt like Cozens in his draft year, but he assumed leadership of two WJC teams - one of which was proclaimed to be the best since 2005 (which was always laughable, IMO). He has at least *shown* something at the NHL level unlike other busts off the top of my head. Nail Yakupov would have killed for a 68-point season.

Samuelsson I couldn't tell you much about, I'm not much of a defenseman but from what very little I've seen there's some intelligence there. You aren't buying high on any of these guys, so there is risk. But you don't get to drink the juice without a bit of squeeze.

Samuelsson looks like a husk. Can’t even play over 55 games in a season. Was healthy scratched multiple times this season too. Peterka is the best player coming from Buffalo and view Cozens and Samuelsson as high risk bad value contracts.

 

[JT Milker]

Because he hasn't already. He's not an anchor guy, he's a transitional guy. He's like fibre. He keeps shit moving. Which is fantastic, but you look at the team we have currently and there is absolutely no one who can buoy that ability.

He has utility, just not currently.

In plain English for us idiots please.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

In plain English for us idiots please.

Some guys good at move puck, some guys good at stay home.

Need both to make a proper pair.

Samuelsson looks like a husk. Can’t even play over 55 games in a season. Was healthy scratched multiple times this season too. Peterka is the best player coming from Buffalo and view Cozens and Samuelsson as high risk bad value contracts.

What was Byram being called a couple years ago? I can't remember. You have to refresh that for me.

 

[rypper]

In plain English for us idiots please.

They think Hronek is more likely to win "best supporting actor" rather then "best actor " because they haven't had their breakout role yet.

Plus Fibre and shit references.

 

[andora]

Because he hasn't already. He's not an anchor guy, he's a transitional guy. He's like fibre. He keeps shit moving. Which is fantastic, but you look at the team we have currently and there is absolutely no one who can buoy that ability.

He has utility, just not currently.

This is a good way to put it

He would be perfectly fine on a second pair co-running it but the task becomes finding him the right fit on the other side

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

They think Hronek is more likely to win "best supporting actor" rather then "best actor " because they haven't had their breakout role yet.

Plus Fibre and shit references.

I mean, it's all right there also, it's ok. You can call me 'he'.

 

[Vector]

Some guys good at move puck, some guys good at stay home.

Need both to make a proper pair.



What was Byram being called a couple years ago? I can't remember. You have to refresh that for me.

Really strawmanning me here. If you don’t want to engage, then don’t respond.