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[rypper]

2 rentals last year

They tried to re-sign both of them, so I don't think the original intention was for them to solely be rentals.

 

[Nucker42]

They tried to re-sign both of them, so I don't think the original intention was for them to solely be rentals.

I agree it looks like they did try and resign them. But also they turned out to be rentals.

Do not underestimate the power of Aquillini wanting to get into the playoffs for extra revenue. Never for one second have I believed he cares more about winning than money. That theory has been proven to be true a hundred times over.

 

[rypper]

I agree it looks like they did try and resign them. But also they turned out to be rentals.

Do not underestimate the power of Aquillini wanting to get into the playoffs for extra revenue. Never for one second have I believed he cares more about winning than money. That theory has been proven to be true a hundred times over.

Aquilini has effectively been shut down by Jim Rutherford. All of his dumb ideas are kept at bay when JR keeps him busy by letting him wear his stanley cup rings.

In making this post and really thinking about it... when's the last time Aquilini's name has even come up?

 

[Canucker]

2 rentals last year

Sure....but I don't believe that when they traded for them they considered them as pure rentals...they just happened to price themselves out of where we wanted to spend on them. And I also don't think you'll see them go after any rentals this year, at least not until closer to the deadline when they have a better understanding of the landscape in front of them.

 

[Bobby9]

So who are some realistic, 2nd pairing Dmen that are UFA or on teams who are rebuilding/missing the playoffs?

Not a 1st line Dman who we fantasize about playing on out 2nd pairing = Dobson, Dahlin.

I think:

C Murphy is a great target. Size, decent contract and plays the PK very well. Injuries are a concern tho.

R Pulock = Good salary, decent player.

D Severson = Risky contract. Long and expensive but has shown flashes of promise. We would need to ship salary out - VD+Hog

M Weegar - Prob the most expensive to trade for but a fantastic player. Hog + 1st + Prospect

A Zub = On IR but would slot in perfectly behind Hughes - Hronek. Would be a big cost to get him.

M Matheson - Habs would want young players and prospects.

Id put K Miller, M Pettersson, Gudas on the list.

My list does not mean any of these players are avilable, but what I think would fit well on the 2nd pairing

 

[Nucker42]

Sure....but I don't believe that when they traded for them they considered them as pure rentals...they just happened to price themselves out of where we wanted to spend on them. And I also don't think you'll see them go after any rentals this year, at least not until closer to the deadline when they have a better understanding of the landscape in front of them.

Yeah I hear you but that it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still true and they gave up 4 picks ++ for those guys.

They gave it the old college try but it didn’t happen so not sure how much that’s worth.

This management team is light years ahead of Benning for sure, but they also gave 6.5 Million to Myers, Forbort and Deharnais with some term.

I would much rather Zadorov than those other 3.

As for Aquilini, sure his name isn’t in the news as much but anyone thinking he isn’t very involved is crazy. I’m sorry there’s no chance he isn’t involved daily.

Do I have proof? No. Does anyone have proof that he isn’t though? Just basing my opinion on history.

Again, JR and Allvin are much better than Benning. But, they really screwed up the D this year. Badly.

 

[Canucker]

So who are some realistic, 2nd pairing Dmen that are UFA or on teams who are rebuilding/missing the playoffs?

Not a 1st line Dman who we fantasize about playing on out 2nd pairing = Dobson, Dahlin.

I think:

C Murphy is a great target. Size, decent contract and plays the PK very well. Injuries are a concern tho.

R Pulock = Good salary, decent player.

D Severson = Risky contract. Long and expensive but has shown flashes of promise. We would need to ship salary out - VD+Hog

M Weegar - Prob the most expensive to trade for but a fantastic player. Hog + 1st + Prospect

A Zub = On IR but would slot in perfectly behind Hughes - Hronek. Would be a big cost to get him.

M Matheson - Habs would want young players and prospects.

Id put K Miller, M Pettersson, Gudas on the list.

My list does not mean any of these players are avilable, but what I think would fit well on the 2nd pairing

For me, Weegar would be the absolute perfect fit....but the cost would likely be astronomical, if he's even available at all. Totally underrated defenseman.

 

[Canucker]

Yeah I hear you but that it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still true and they gave up 4 picks ++ for those guys.

They gave it the old college try but it didn’t happen so not sure how much that’s worth.

This management team is light years ahead of Benning for sure, but they also gave 6.5 Million to Myers, Forbort and Deharnais with some term.

I would much rather Zadorov than those other 3.

As for Aquilini, sure his name isn’t in the news as much but anyone thinking he isn’t very involved is crazy. I’m sorry there’s no chance he isn’t involved daily.

Do I have proof? No. Does anyone have proof that he isn’t though? Just basing my opinion on history.

Again, JR and Allvin are much better than Benning. But, they really screwed up the D this year. Badly.

No argument there...they became rentals and we paid market value and it didn't turn out to be a good investment...and I think they did bungle the defense this last off-season and we're seeing it in full effect.

I don't know about the Aquilini thing, I'm sure he and JR are in constant contact but I don't see him trying to influence the process at all...and if he does, JR is the perfect guy to manage him.

 

[Bobby9]

For me, Weegar would be the absolute perfect fit....but the cost would likely be astronomical, if he's even available at all. Totally underrated defenseman.

Agreed. I was hesitant to add him because he is a 1st pairing dman, but he would be amazing.

Hog+1st+Raty+ VD

or

Hog + Lek + VD

A back end of

Hughes - Hronek
Weegar - Will
Soucy - Myers looks a lot better than what we have now

 

[Peter Griffin]

Allvin should only be looking for a cheaper, defenseman ala the Zadorov deal last season, or if they move a higher pick, only for someone with term. Absolutely do not move the 1st for a rental.

Agreed. I was hesitant to add him because he is a 1st pairing dman, but he would be amazing.

Hog+1st+Raty+ VD

or

Hog + Lek + VD

A back end of

Hughes - Hronek
Weegar - Will
Soucy - Myers looks a lot better than what we have now

I would love to add Weegar but I think he’s probably less likely to move then Rasmus.

 

[rypper]

I can't really see the Flames moving Weegar while they're still in the hunt. They recently signed him long term and gave him a full NTC.

Also i think puckpedia.com is having some struggles:

 

[Nucker42]

Don’t think you’re getting Weegar without including Lekk or Willander. Also, if Hronek slots in with Hughes and Willander is soon to be the 2RHD then does a Weegar move make sense?

I think they should be trying to line up a stud 2LHD to play with Willander.

Was looking at Buffalo again and thinking why would they deal Byram? He’s playing 24 min a night and looking great.

They aren’t moving Dhalin or Power. Then I was thinking about Matthias Samuelsson. Was signed long term a few years ago. Can’t stay healthy. Huge. Defensive. Perfect buy low candidate and they will need to move someone to open up ice time.

I’m not even sure it would cost a 1st.

2nd and Hoglander. He would look amazing with Willander.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Don’t think you’re getting Weegar without including Lekk or Willander. Also, if Hronek slots in with Hughes and Willander is soon to be the 2RHD then does a Weegar move make sense?

Yes, Weegar is a rare RH’ed shot that actually plays well at LD

That said, targeting a left shot defenseman probably makes more sense as they’re usually significantly cheaper to acquire.

 

[Bobby9]

Don’t think you’re getting Weegar without including Lekk or Willander. Also, if Hronek slots in with Hughes and Willander is soon to be the 2RHD then does a Weegar move make sense?

I think they should be trying to line up a stud 2LHD to play with Willander.

Was looking at Buffalo again and thinking why would they deal Byram? He’s playing 24 min a night and looking great.

They aren’t moving Dhalin or Power. Then I was thinking about Matthias Samuelsson. Was signed long term a few years ago. Can’t stay healthy. Huge. Defensive. Perfect buy low candidate and they will need to move someone to open up ice time.

I’m not even sure it would cost a 1st.

2nd and Hoglander. He would look amazing with Willander.

Weegar plays LD v well

 

[Lawzy]

Basically was saying we have one of the lowest # of regulation losses in the league. Only Vegas has less.

Edit - Sadly, we also lead the league in OTL. Last year we were never out of a game even if down a couple of goals. This year it seems no lead is safe.

I worry about their current record (which is objectively solid) only because their schedule has been extremely soft to start the year. Hopefully these injuries are front loaded.

 

[Hodgy]

I don’t think the injuries will impact their plans. I don’t think they were going to give up significant futures for any UFA anyway, and I think they would still give up a mid round pick for a rental.

 

[me2]

They were talent shy and still let two rentals walk, they are pot committed. The Miller timeline looms large here.

I had a post cooked up for this, but held back. Now's not the time. Let's see what they're like when everyone is back and see where they stack up.

IMHO now is the time for a hockey trade. It shouldn't be another rental like last year, someone with a few years. Deadline you re-evaluated, get a rental if the going is good. Playoff time you end up with something like

Hughes - rental (double retained Marcus Pettersson)
Hockey trade - Hronek
Soucy Williander

Doesn't look too bad for a playoff defence. Management is going to have to get creative moving salaries though.

 

[Nuckles]

Vector hasn't mentioned it so I'll post this I guess

 

[ChilliBilly]

Agreed. I was hesitant to add him because he is a 1st pairing dman, but he would be amazing.

Hog+1st+Raty+ VD

or

Hog + Lek + VD

A back end of

Hughes - Hronek
Weegar - Will
Soucy - Myers looks a lot better than what we have now

Yes it would be nice, , but neither of those deals with the fact you are increasing the cap hit by over $3M, and would have to add another body internally, which would probably add another $1M.

On a side note, Hogs and OEL are removing $4.3 M to our cap space next year. The go from a cap hit this year of roughly $3.5 M up to $7.8 M next year.

So please, let's not give up our assets that are going to allow us to comply with the cap. Namely draft picks and prospects that will be on ELC for years. So we trade Miller, Garland, Boeser, Hronek or Demko.

And we do not look like a contender this year ... yet. So lets no go back to the Dim Jim day where we trade our draft picks and prospects for short term fixes that don't work.

 

[Vector]

Vector hasn't mentioned it so I'll post this I guess

Because I had minor surgery this morning and am working on a recap right now. Impatience leads to Taj.

 

[Canucker]

Yes it would be nice, , but neither of those deals with the fact you are increasing the cap hit by over $3M, and would have to add another body internally, which would probably add another $1M.

On a side note, Hogs and OEL are removing $4.3 M to our cap space next year. The go from a cap hit this year of roughly $3.5 M up to $7.8 M next year.

So please, let's not give up our assets that are going to allow us to comply with the cap. Namely draft picks and prospects that will be on ELC for years. So we trade Miller, Garland, Boeser, Hronek or Demko.

And we do not look like a contender this year ... yet. So lets no go back to the Dim Jim day where we trade our draft picks and prospects for short term fixes that don't work.

Weegar is signed for the next 6 years after this season at a pretty reasonable sum...despite it being highly unlikely, I wouldn't consider it a "short term fix" to add a legit top pairing defenseman for the next 6 years.

 

[ManVanFan]

Because I had minor surgery this morning and am working on a recap right now. Impatience leads to Taj.

 

[Vector]

Trading Miller

• Not in the position to answer the question if either Pettersson or Miller have to be traded
• Sources from around the league have told him there’s been a lot more chatter around Miller; doesn’t think anyone should be surprised; Miller’s name always finds the rumour mill
• Allegations about Miller & Pettersson have been removed; don’t have to like your coworker; maybe this was much to do about very little
• The rumoured rift probably field the speculation around the NHL and got teams calling the Canucks about Miller
• Is sure that Allvin gets called on Pettersson
• Wants to remind people that GMs have conversations about basically every player
• Miller hasn’t been asked to consider waiving his NMC but this doesn’t prevent teams from calling and talking
• Teams letting Allvin know that if he ever wants to trade Miller, this is what they’d be willing to do; has had those conversations in the past and there’s increased talk of late
• Does not mean that Miller is imminently getting moved

New York Rangers

• Does not recall an article more eviscerating of a talent pool more than

Larry Brooks’ article on Sunday in the New York Post

• Brooks’ sources within the Rangers are impeccable
• Brooks’ took the players to task
• Dan Boyle tried to get Larry Brooks thrown out of the dressing room before
• Brooks’ says the players are not playing for Peter Laviolette and if that’s true, he has a problem; days on the bench are numbered
• Doesn’t necessarily think a coaching change has to come before a trade
• Can appreciate why you’d like the Canucks and Rangers
• If the Rangers want Miller then the Canucks are going to want one of their best players in return
• A major trade between the Rangers and Canucks is possible and plausible
• Based on what he read from Brooks’, can also see a coaching change

Hughes & Pettersson Injuries

• Does sounds like Pettersson is more day-to-day
• Pettersson needs to physically get stronger
• Was told Hughes should be out 3 weeks or less

Allvin & Rutherford Working the Phones

• Looking for the pieces that will make the team better
• No sense of urgency or desperation
• Only way the Canucks could get a defenceman right now is if they give up a player they don’t want to trade; doesn’t have to be a roster player but a top-prospect
• Every time he checks in with Kevyn Adams but has been reminded that he’ll make a trade but needs a top player coming back; Adams says his definition of the other team’s top players isn’t the same as the teams he is talking to
• Does think the Canucks were pushing a trade right up to the buzzer of the Christmas transaction freeze
• Was talking to someone connected to the Candiens & 12 hours before the roster freeze was told they had some lines in the water but unless something changes they wouldn’t make a trade then acquired Carrier; speculates maybe the Canucks were involved with another club, not Montreal
• Maybe there’s a slightly heightened level of urgency with Hughes out but unless there’s more of a willingness to give up a better player or asset they aren’t close to anything

Holiday Roster Freeze

• More trade chatter around the freeze than usual; this continued once the freeze ended
• Teams viewed it was a reset

4 Nations Tournament Affecting Trade Talks

• Rutherford, and now Bill Guerin, have always embraced acquiring players early
• Viewed as a player friendly; player and family gets to be more comfortable
• Thinks can see more early trades

 

[Kryten]

Because I had minor surgery this morning and am working on a recap right now. Impatience leads to Taj.

I told you before, flared base only

 

[Jerry the great]

I told you before, flared base only

my mind immediately goes to "the fusilli Jerry"