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[ManVanFan]

Goaltending is quickly becoming a central issue with Demko struggling to return to form, Silovs looking less like a future starter (though he's been better since being sent down), and Lankinen a pending UFA. Still need to give Demko some time, obviously, but decisions need to be made.

I don't know who thought Silovs was a future starter but I've always thought he was gonna be an okay back up. I'd sell high on him right now. 3rd round pick that could be used to get a D upgrade.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I don't understand why fans turned on Cole after the playoffs. Yes his play dropped drastically in round 2 against the Oilers, but what people don't understand is that Cole had a huge laceration just above his skate which affected his play big time. Cole probably shouldn't have been playing but the guy is a warrior. I bet the whole dressing room is missing Zadorov and Cole, veteran players who can calm a room when things start to get out of control. Such a lockeroom interactions and colossal gameday breakdowns such as the one we witnessed yesterday.

It was more to do with the price to bring him back.

Considering what mgmt brought in instead, it’s not looking like a great decision.

Now they need to fix it.

 

[dbaz]

Goaltending is quickly becoming a central issue with Demko struggling to return to form, Silovs looking less like a future starter (though he's been better since being sent down), and Lankinen a pending UFA. Still need to give Demko some time, obviously, but decisions need to be made.

realistically silovs was never a starter, just people being way too high on him. he had a chance at being a back up.. but i dont know if he would have much value at all now.

demko is worrisome as the contract he will require gives them even less cap flexibility and he now has durability issues.

the right move might be moving him, and signing lankinen and someone else as a 1a 1b for the same amount demko could demand

 

[Josepho]

I still think not bringing Cole back (assuming the AAV would be around 3 mil) was the correct decision. He's 35 and showed signs of decline even before the Edmonton series.

Re-signing Myers instead of doing something like the Chychrun/Dumoulin trade or Walker signing appears to be the big error.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Ya I don't get how we let Cole and Zadorov walk and not replace them and thought that everything would be ok.

 

[PavelBure10]

One player who I was thinking about the Canucks to bring in for relatively cheap was Brian Dumoulin. Older 33, has size and pretty good defensively. Wondering if he could atleast fill the void of Cole and help the team out. Plays for Anaheim and shouldn't be much to acquire via trade.

 

[bandwagonesque]

6M on one defenceman who does nothing useful is a tragedy. 6M on several defencemen who do nothing useful is a statistic.

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't know who thought Silovs was a future starter but I've always thought he was gonna be an okay back up. I'd sell high on him right now. 3rd round pick that could be used to get a D upgrade.

The club obviously thought he could at least be a 1B, since they played chicken with Lankinen and were ready to basically go into the season with some combo of Silovs/Patera/Tolopilo. That would have been disastrous.

realistically silovs was never a starter, just people being way too high on him. he had a chance at being a back up.. but i dont know if he would have much value at all now.

demko is worrisome as the contract he will require gives them even less cap flexibility and he now has durability issues.

the right move might be moving him, and signing lankinen and someone else as a 1a 1b for the same amount demko could demand

I'd agree, Silovs had obvious flaws in his game all along, and looks like he's topped out well below a "1A" calibre netminder. As mentioned above, I think the organization had pretty high hopes for him, though. You probably give Demko more time before committing to Lankinen at term, since it will be difficult to carry both goalies on their upcoming contracts. Maybe ideally, you'd either extend Lankinen or get something for him at the deadline if Silovs continues to improve in the AHL, but not sure they'll have that luxury.

They also clearly need to target a goalie in the upcoming draft.

 

[ManVanFan]

I still think not bringing Cole back (assuming the AAV would be around 3 mil) was the correct decision. He's 35 and showed signs of decline even before the Edmonton series.

Re-signing Myers instead of doing something like the Chychrun/Dumoulin trade or Walker signing appears to be the big error.

Cole wasn't and isn't what they were looking for. He's a dump the puck off the glass defender.

The club obviously thought he could at least be a 1B, since they played chicken with Lankinen and were ready to basically go into the season with some combo of Silovs/Patera/Tolopilo. That would have been disastrous.



I'd agree, Silovs had obvious flaws in his game all along, and looks like he's topped out well below a "1A" calibre netminder. As mentioned above, I think the organization had pretty high hopes for him, though. You probably give Demko more time before committing to Lankinen at term, since it will be difficult to carry both goalies on their upcoming contracts. Maybe ideally, you'd either extend Lankinen or get something for him at the deadline if Silovs continues to improve in the AHL, but not sure they'll have that luxury.

They also clearly need to target a goalie in the upcoming draft.

It was probably more Clark who thought he could be great. Played well in the AHL, he may just need a lot more games. Lankinen is probably looking for the millions, not gonna be able to afford that unless you give him like a 8 year deal to keep the cost down.

 

[ManVanFan]

NHL Gm's giving up 2nds and 3rds for the likes of Sherwood, Joshua types still baffles me a bit. Yeah they bring toughness but I don't see those types winning games. Not too mention, it never really works out too well.

Tyler Toffoli cost the same as Tanner Jeannot.

 

[krutovsdonut]

the team had a lot to prove last year and they brought that to every game and it carried them.

the way the canucks are losing games this year makes it abundantly clear they do not have that same drive as a group. that's the issue to me.

what i think is missing is not defence. it is the joshua/garland machine from last year that provided the team with consistent ozone spadework and inspired the rest of the team to do the same that has been absent. both miller and pettersson had many quiet games and bad periods last year and pettersson played hot potato with the puck most of the year. garland and joshua pretty much always got rolling by the second period and carried it through. other lines piggy backed on their sustained pressure and both pettersson and miller benefitted often from the momentum they established.

think football. offensive possession time wins hockey games the same way it wins football. it wears down defences both in the short term of a drive and overall during a game.

what joshua and garland did last year was inspire the team to play for ozone possession for its own sake until a good scoring chance arose, and thus keep the puck far away from their net for big chunks of the game even with the lead. that is not happening this year. which means our defence and our goalies are under pressure more often.

i don't actually think pettersson or miller are playing that much worse than last year. i think they are just not as good at creating the conditions for scoring as they are at exploiting those conditions when they arise.

what we need i think is for joshua to get going. i think the team did a good job of assembling pieces to support that style of play and sherwood has been a revelation, but joshua was a unique horse out there who complimented garland's style very well. we will be a really dangerous team again if joshua and garland start playing sustained time working the ozone boards.

 

[ManVanFan]

the team had a lot to prove last year and they brought that to every game and it carried them.
the way the canucks are losing games this year makes it abundantly clear they do not have that same drive as a group. that's the issue to me.
i don't actually think pettersson or miller are playing that much worse than last year. i think they are just not as good at creating the conditions for scoring as they are at exploiting those conditions when they arise.

Miller +32 to a current -2 103 points to a current pace of 75
Petey +20 to a current -3 89 points to a current pace of 67

They playing like shit.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Miller +32 to a current -2 103 points to a current pace of 75
Petey +20 to a current -3 89 points to a current pace of 67

They playing like shit.

no man is an island, entire of himself.

how many times last year did those two score on a push sparked by garland/joshua or a pp drawn from a push they sparked?

 

[Nick Lang]

I still think not bringing Cole back (assuming the AAV would be around 3 mil) was the correct decision. He's 35 and showed signs of decline even before the Edmonton series.

Re-signing Myers instead of doing something like the Chychrun/Dumoulin trade or Walker signing appears to be the big error.

Yeah in hindsight it's pretty glaring. They were really hoping the huge defender plan would be more effective. However, I do wonder who we really could have realistically brought in. I don't think we had any chance at Walker and the assets to get Chychrun would have been a stretch. Will or Lekk might have done it but they seem to have wanted a roster player in return.

Cole is playing well again and would have probably helped us out a lot. I agree though expensive and definitely questionable. The more this goes on though the more I wonder what their plan was/is? Are they just simply planning on adding a top 4 guy by the TDL and hoping it's going to magically bring it all together for a playoff run, or are they more focused on next year already? Really got to get rid of Myers or Desharnais too.

 

[ManVanFan]

no man is an island, entire of himself.

how many times last year did those two score on a push sparked by garland/joshua or a pp drawn from a push they sparked?

Garland has been better this year and Joshua has been replaced by Sherwood and still Miller and Pettersson aren't as good as last season.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Garland has been better this year and Joshua has been replaced by Sherwood and still Miller and Pettersson aren't as good as last season.

point generation is not my point. garland and joshua together last year routinely generated sustained ozone possession time that turned into pushes by the team as a whole that resulted in goals or power plays. those sustained ozone possession series are much rarer this year. my view is that this is impacting pettersson and miller who last year were able to feed off those opportunities as tochett threw them on the ice right after garland and joshua got something going if not during. i am not saying that ep40 and miller are playing the same as last year, but i am saying that the lack of sustained ozone possession sequences compared to last year is impacting them and exposing the fact that both players last year outscored their ability to generate their own offence.

 

[Jerry the great]

Yeah in hindsight it's pretty glaring. They were really hoping the huge defender plan would be more effective. However, I do wonder who we really could have realistically brought in. I don't think we had any chance at Walker and the assets to get Chychrun would have been a stretch. Will or Lekk might have done it but they seem to have wanted a roster player in return.

Cole is playing well again and would have probably helped us out a lot. The more this goes on though the more I wonder what their plan was/is? Are they just simply planning on adding a top 4 guy by the TDL and hoping it's going to magically bring it all together for a playoff run? Really got to get rid of Myers or Desharnais too.

Myers is here through the end of next year unless he retires. He has a NMC and they won't ask him to waive it.

They rolled the dice on shorter term options on the back end and it wasn't really working before the injuries and it sure isn't going to work with out top pair on the shelf (no team is going to do well in that situation).

Joel Edmundson would have been a decent option, but he got four years at almost $4MM and has never been able to stay healthy.

Going to be interesting to see what they do down the stretch here. Not a year to chase things IMO. try to stay in the hunt and maybe see how close some of the younger guys in Abby are.

 

[dbaz]

The club obviously thought he could at least be a 1B, since they played chicken with Lankinen and were ready to basically go into the season with some combo of Silovs/Patera/Tolopilo. That would have been disastrous.



I'd agree, Silovs had obvious flaws in his game all along, and looks like he's topped out well below a "1A" calibre netminder. As mentioned above, I think the organization had pretty high hopes for him, though. You probably give Demko more time before committing to Lankinen at term, since it will be difficult to carry both goalies on their upcoming contracts. Maybe ideally, you'd either extend Lankinen or get something for him at the deadline if Silovs continues to improve in the AHL, but not sure they'll have that luxury.

They also clearly need to target a goalie in the upcoming draft.

ideally they decide soon, and trade one while both have value.

with demko you could probably get carolina very interested.
others like cbj, buffalo, detroit would probably call with pitts, tor, and philly possibly needing something too

if they wait too long, and find out demko wont return to form, they have probably already lost lankinen, and any value demko would have
or they find out demko is ok, and lost out on the chance to sell high on lankinen

 

[Canucks LB]

Ya I don't get how we let Cole and Zadorov walk and not replace them and thought that everything would be ok.

I understand it a little bit, they probably thought they could find another cole.

But I agree with you on zadorov, that was a very unique player that we should’ve kept

 

[TruGr1t]

Ya I don't get how we let Cole and Zadorov walk and not replace them and thought that everything would be ok.

Yeah, it wasn't necessarily letting them walk, I think they were in theory, replaceable on the depth chart. Soucy took a major step back to start the season, plus Myers reverted to Chaos Giraffe, which was obviously not accounted for in the arithmetic. The real crime was the pro scouting on Forbot and Desharnais, which was flat-out terrible, in combination with overspending on wingers. Also continuing to carry both Juulsen and Friedman as 7/8 seems to have been miscalculated.

Really, they mismanaged the cap, went too light in some slots, and then were hit with injuries.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I read that Marcus Petterson is back practicing, I'm wondering if the lack of trade by Allvin so far is just waiting for him to return from IR?

I think this season is beyond saving at this point. So many factors that made us successful last season has struggled, those had been beaten to death so I won't go over it again. Some decisions have to be made on players (Boeser, Lankinen, Hog and Desharnais specifically, but eventually Demko too), but at this point there's no rush if saving the season isn't the goal anymore. Just ride it out.

All that said, I really think going into next season and forward, they really have to decide what they have in JTM and Petey. Is their working relationship salvageable, and if they will return to form. If not, a franchise-defining decision will have to be made, because you can't go into next season with those guys not being at least the PPG 1C they can/should be.

 

[PavelBure10]

I firmly believe that if there was a deal to be made that it would've be made already. Prices are at a alltime high. Allvin in working the phones but nothing is available at the moment, he would of had the defenseman by now.

 

[Vector]

I read that Marcus Petterson is back practicing, I'm wondering if the lack of trade by Allvin so far is just waiting for him to return from IR?

I think this season is beyond saving at this point. So many factors that made us successful last season has struggled, those had been beaten to death so I won't go over it again. Some decisions have to be made on players (Boeser, Lankinen, Hog and Desharnais specifically, but eventually Demko too), but at this point there's no rush if saving the season isn't the goal anymore. Just ride it out.

All that said, I really think going into next season and forward, they really have to decide what they have in JTM and Petey. Is their working relationship salvageable, and if they will return to form. If not, a franchise-defining decision will have to be made, because you can't go into next season with those guys not being at least the PPG 1C they can/should be.

I'll be really surprised if they add a rental, at this point.

 

[Hansen]

I'll be really surprised if they add a rental, at this point.

Yeah I think we're at a point where this season you don't add a rental, but rather try to find a piece with term

 

[ManVanFan]

I firmly believe that if there was a deal to be made that it would've be made already. Prices are at a alltime high. Allvin in working the phones but nothing is available at the moment, he would of had the defenseman by now.

Smart to give up futures for a team that's playing as so mediocre as the Canucks are? Hopefully Canucks management has enough sense.