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[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

JJ Peterka would be interesting piece in a potential Petey trade. Cozens sucks and I see him as a borderline negative asset. I do think if you trade Petey it's going to have to be two trades, in the same vein as the Horvat trade. You won't be able to fix all you problems in one trade. Something like Byram+Peterka+ as a base for Petey interest me because you keep cap flexibility and get young players that fill holes and have skillsets that this team is dearly lacking.

 

[rypper]

@MS I think you're misremembering. With how polarizing Pettersson is, an off hand throwaway comment about him refusing to play with someone would have snowballed into a major discussion in this market and there's no record of it anywhere.

 

[Nucker101]

JJ Peterka would be interesting piece in a potential Petey trade. Cozens sucks and I see him as a borderline negative asset. I do think if you trade Petey it's going to have to be two trades, in the same vein as the Horvat trade. You won't be able to fix all you problems in one trade. Something like Byram+Peterka+ as a base for Petey interest me because you keep cap flexibility and get young players that fill holes and have skillsets that this team is dearly lacking.

I don't want wingers as key pieces in any return unless it's a powerforward. I don't think the Sabres would value Peterka as a throw in either so I'd pass.

 

[Rotang]

If the Canucks trade Pettersson and don't get an elite player back, that'll be the end of any chance this team is a contender.

I’ve been frustrated with Pettersson in the past but I agree. I don’t see how you trade him without either shrinking or completely eliminating the current group’s contention window. Then you have the knock on effect of how that impacts Hughes’ desire to sign long term. If it comes down to a Miller vs Pettersson choice I wonder which leaves Hughes the most likely to remain a Canuck.

I’m a big fan of Miller but his style of play tends to not age well and we will probably see diminishing returns in the near future. It would be wildly unpopular, and would give me heartburn, but from an asset management and future value standpoint it might be more prudent to sell high on him before the decline starts.

 

[PavelBure10]

Debrusk was brought in to give Pettersson a better linemate and to get Pettersson going, so I highly doubt that Pettersson is on the block.

If Pettersson were to be on the block it would be a tough trade to win unless he is traded for a similar type of player. Tkachuk would be great target but then it would leave a huge void at center.

I think trading Boeser at this point would be more realistic, what if the Canucks could get Byram and Cozens for Boeser? I would highly consider it.

Trying to create trades right now is tough because it's either all in, or a quick retool. If the Canucks are going all in, then they really don't have much to trade other than picks and prospects. If we are doing a retool, Miller, Boeser or even Demko should be considered as potential targets to trade.

Sometimes I wonder if you traded Miller, Boeser and Demko into 3 separate packages would the Canucks be able build a more complete team quicker than sitting on the core that they already have.

Theoretical

Miller - Cozens, Byram

Demko - Jarvis, Morrow

Boeser - You get the point

In all reality I think Friedman spitballed at the wall and it stuck, now he has everyone talking about something he completely made up.

Changes need to be made though, and they don't necessarily need to be big ones. Start with Hoglander and Desharnais first, then go from there.

 

[MS]

@MS I think you're misremembering. With how polarizing Pettersson is, an off hand throwaway comment about him refusing to play with someone would have snowballed into a major discussion in this market and there's no record of it anywhere.

This was in November 2021 or thereabouts. The whole team and city was a circus and it would have been a drop in the bucket at that point.

I don't remember who said it or on what platform but I'll guarantee that it was alluded to somewhere.

Sometimes it's hard to google stuff. Put in 'Pettersson' and 'refuse' and you get a million articles from 2023 and early 2024 where he's refusing to talk about his contract status.

 

[Szechwan]

If the Canucks trade Pettersson and don't get an elite player back, that'll be the end of any chance this team is a contender.

Even if you do get an elite player, there is still no guarantee it will help your team out accomplish what you set out to.

Look at CGY, the whole league was patting them on the back for getting a 100+pt guy and a first pairing D back for Tkachuk, thinking it would allow them to avoid taking a step back.

They've done nothing but free fall every since and Hub has turned into one of the ladies biggest boat anchors

Debrusk was brought in to give Pettersson a better linemate and to get Pettersson going, so I highly doubt that Pettersson is on the block.

If Pettersson were to be on the block it would be a tough trade to win unless he is traded for a similar type of player. Tkachuk would be great target but then it would leave a huge void at center.

I think trading Boeser at this point would be more realistic, what if the Canucks could get Byram and Cozens for Boeser? I would highly consider it.

Trying to create trades right now is tough because it's either all in, or a quick retool. If the Canucks are going all in, then they really don't have much to trade other than picks and prospects. If we are doing a retool, Miller, Boeser or even Demko should be considered as potential targets to trade.

Sometimes I wonder if you traded Miller, Boeser and Demko into 3 separate packages would the Canucks be able build a more complete team quicker than sitting on the core that they already have.

Theoretical

Miller - Cozens, Byram

Demko - Jarvis, Morrow

Boeser - You get the point

In all reality I think Friedman spitballed at the wall and it stuck, now he has everyone talking about something he completely made up.

Changes need to be made though, and they don't necessarily need to be big ones. Start with Hoglander and Desharnais first, then go from there.

Brock doesn't have a contract beyond this season, and even if he did he isn't bringing back that package.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

I've said it before but rhe Canucks will never win anything with EP. He folds easily, he is moody and mopey and has no fight in him. His BODY LANGUAGE in general is just not a winners body language. He has no ability to take over a game like an elite player.

I've said it before but rhe Canucks will never win anything with EP. He folds easily, he is moody and mopey and has no fight in him. His BODY LANGUAGE in general is just not a winners body language. He has no ability to take over a game like an elite player.

For the opposite of this... see: Hughes, Quinn.

 

[rypper]

This was in November 2021 or thereabouts. The whole team and city was a circus and it would have been a drop in the bucket at that point.

I don't remember who said it or on what platform but I'll guarantee that it was alluded to somewhere.

Sometimes it's hard to google stuff. Put in 'Pettersson' and 'refuse' and you get a million articles from 2023 and early 2024 where he's refusing to talk about his contract status.

Twitter doesn't forget.

But we can agree to disagree.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Also if there was ever an actual EP for Necas trade in the works... I'm very sad it never happened.

 

[Tinhorn1]

This was in November 2021 or thereabouts. The whole team and city was a circus and it would have been a drop in the bucket at that point.

I don't remember who said it or on what platform but I'll guarantee that it was alluded to somewhere.

Sometimes it's hard to google stuff. Put in 'Pettersson' and 'refuse' and you get a million articles from 2023 and early 2024 where he's refusing to talk about his contract status.

Pretty sure an outright refusal would always be noticed. It's literally the first time I've heard that about any player, let alone a star on the team I follow pretty closely. Far more likely that at some point there was mention of him having a preference, which is quite common. I also remember generalized year-end complaints about Green always putting the lines in a blender.

 

[StickShift]

That these Pettersson rumors keep coming out—either the team or the player want a trade. It is inevitable.

More likely than not it is the team driving this. I suspect the Buffalo namedrop today is just their way of kicking off what they hope to be a bidding war.

 

[MS]

Twitter doesn't forget.

But we can agree to disagree.

I have no idea if it was something on twitter or something dropped in a radio interview.

I remember it clearly and I remember wondering what linemates they were potentially talking about.

As an example, I tried both Google and Twitter just now to see if I could find the one-off one-line report that the Canucks scouts wanted Mangiapane in 2015 but were vetoed and I'm having all kinds of trouble. And that definitely exists.

 

[Peen]

Whatever they end up doing here, I’m going to be pretty confident it’s with the blessing of Hughes and assume he’s on board with it.

He has to be, otherwise they shouldn’t do it.

 

[PavelBure10]

Also if there was ever an actual EP for Necas trade in the works... I'm very sad it never happened.

The rumored deal was Necas, Kotkieniemi and a top prospect that wasn't Nikishin. My guess it was Scott Morrow.

Hindsight the deal looks pretty good.

 

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[Ernie]

Whatever they end up doing here, I’m going to be pretty confident it’s with the blessing of Hughes and assume he’s on board with it.

He has to be, otherwise they shouldn’t do it.

By all accounts Hughes and Pettersson are pretty tight.

It has been widely reported, on the other hand, that Miller has upset plenty of people. Even the words the reporters are using right now are suggesting that it's far from only Pettersson who has a problem.

 

[Leif Rohlin]

I've said it before but rhe Canucks will never win anything with EP. He folds easily, he is moody and mopey and has no fight in him. His BODY LANGUAGE in general is just not a winners body language. He has no ability to take over a game like an elite player.


For the opposite of this... see: Hughes, Quinn.

What if we brought in a body language expert to teach him winning body language?

 

[VanillaCoke]

The rumored deal was Necas, Kotkieniemi and a top prospect that wasn't Nikishin. My guess it was Scott Morrow.

Hindsight the deal looks pretty good.

Do not need hindsight if one was paying attention.

Whatever they end up doing here, I’m going to be pretty confident it’s with the blessing of Hughes and assume he’s on board with it.

He has to be, otherwise they shouldn’t do it.

The organization doesn't actually operate that way though..

 

[dez]

Would be funny if it ended up being a Desharnais for Bryson swap

 

[Peen]

Do not need hindsight if one was paying attention.


The organization doesn't actually operate that way though..

They need to. When you have a player of this stature who happens to have two brothers playing on the same team, you need to do stuff with his blessing.

 

[rypper]

If i was a scout I would mostly just take advantage of the free food at arenas.

 

[Bgav]

If i was a scout I would mostly just take advantage of the free food at arenas.

I'd be 300 lbs

 

[Vector]

If i was a scout I would mostly just take advantage of the free food at arenas.

Seravalli actually said this is the case for a lot of scouting trips. A scout wants to take their wife out to a city and go to a nice restaurant, there’s a group of scout friends meeting up in the same place, they like the concessions, or there’s just a great restaurant they want to go to.