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[Nuckles]

Byram wants to play for a bottom-feeder

 

[Vector]

Canucks & the Trade Market

• Canucks have been very aggressive
• Looking for a defenceman
• Prices are high; asking for 1st & 2nd round picks and top prospects
• Canucks liked Cam Fowler before he was traded
• Wouldn’t be surprised if they called the Bruins about Frederic
• Working the phones

Pettersson

• Early this season, when Pettersson was struggling, the Sabres called the Canucks and the teams talked
• We know the Canucks have liked Bowen Byram for quite some time
• Canucks like Alex Tuch but have been told he’s not available
• Cozens production isn’t great
• Byram has concussion issues and is in a contract year

Boeser

• Might have a difference of opinion on term & money for his next contract
• Was told over the weekend that the negotiation is a process and not to read into Rutherford’s comments that the two sides are far apart
• There’s work to do

 

[MS]

One of the Bruce seasons where Podz played consistently with Petey, he did actually look competent. But like you and @Vector noted, it's not like he really profiled by this point as a noteworthy prospect, which is why my reaction to trading him was basically "shrug".

I'm just saying, the only way Podz was ever going to be A Guy in the NHL was as a third wheel to elite linemates. And that a team that is using him that way is actually getting some utility out of him is not surprising.

Myers is an old regime guy, but he's also one of the new regime's Guys. He's big and likeable. Those are basically the preconditions to being a Tocc favourite. Hoglander is an interesting case. Allvin sees something in him, but Tocc does not want to use him. I predict he will be gone in fairly short order.

The tried Podkolzin as an energy guy with better players. His cluelessness defensively limited him to limited minutes. The final straw IMO was Game 82 last year against Winnipeg where he was lost defensively on 3 different goals and turned in maybe the worst performance of his career, after they'd been doing everything possible to get him to sort these issues for 2 years. Again : this player was not tossed away lightly in terms of either effort or time. They badly wanted him to be part of this team going forward. He just didn't do his part.

Tocchet wanted to use Hoglander just fine last year. Hoglander played the best hockey of his career under Tocchet. The organization extended him. Then he regressed to the garbage play that made Green and Boudreau bench him, too. It's so tiresome hearing that Hoglander's problems are Rick Tocchet instead of the bad habits and low IQ that have plagued him for pretty much his entire career. Tocchet was the only one to actually fix these things, albeit temporarily.

 

[Vector]

 

[Deeds26]

Shouldn't be up to the players now, they've had multiple shitty seasons and lost 10 in a row (right?) they've proven they aren't the solution.

 

[credulous]

Pettersson

• Early this season, when Pettersson was struggling, the Sabres called the Canucks and the teams talked
• We know the Canucks have liked Bowen Byram for quite some time
• Canucks like Alex Tuch but have been told he’s not available
• Cozens production isn’t great
• Byram has concussion issues and is in a contract year

i always think tuch has been a bust because i get him mixed up with the other player in the eichel deal (peyton krebs) but he'd be a good add for vancouver. i think trading pettersson for some combination of byram/cozens/tage is just swapping one problem for another

 

[wonton15]

I wouldn’t touch any of the Buffalo touchable pieces. It’d have to be an untouchable for Pettersson (Dahlin/Thompson). We’d lose any quantity trade IMO.

 

[Quinning]

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

Pettersson does not yet. Kicks in next season, which is why speculation has been so high.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Call up Chicago and see if they have doubts about Bedard and willing to discuss a deal for EP.

 

[theguardianII]

Trading Hughes means going full-blown rebuild mode.

No it doesn't. Before he last year the team had really bad defence but the PP wasn't horrible.
Hughes is only one player but his asset value far outstrips his overall impact on the team.

Lets say they trade him for McKenna at the 2026 draft with more assets included. Then use the additional cap space to sign a couple of stout dmen. By that time the team could have Jiricek and Willander both under cap control.

It is great that he won the Norris but then rookie of the year a couple of times hasn't resulted in team success, helped but not much progress.

 

[wonton15]

Call up Chicago and see if they have doubts about Bedard and willing to discuss a deal for EP.

They can reunite Pettersson-Mikheyev!

 

[VanillaCoke]

Holy heck I hope that trade happens.

Buffalo, CBJ, Carolina, among others have plenty of attractive assets.

 

[Josepho]

No it doesn't. Before he last year the team had really bad defence but the PP wasn't horrible.
Hughes is only one player but his asset value far outstrips his overall impact on the team.

Lets say they trade him for McKenna at the 2026 draft with more assets included. Then use the additional cap space to sign a couple of stout dmen. By that time the team could have Jiricek and Willander both under cap control.

It is great that he won the Norris but then rookie of the year a couple of times hasn't resulted in team success, helped but not much progress.

are we watching the same team

 

[Nucker101]

Guessing the Sabres tried to buy low on Petey, I can't blame them.

 

[DFAC]

Pass on Cozens, Byram or Tage.

Any deal involving EP to Buffalo has to start with Dahlin

Hughes - Hronek
Dahlin - Willander
Scrub - Scrub

 

[Tact]

Yeah I’d be asking for Power, Tuch and a C for Pettersson, Hoglander?

Buffalo says no

 

[Vector]

Buffalo Sabres

• Has reported that a lot of teams are calling the Sabres about calling

Dylan Cozens

• If the Sabres were committed to move Cozens, the Canucks would call
• Amount of teams that have called on Cozens has been very high
• Sabres have done pretty much everything to try to win

Jim Rutherford’s Comments

• Rutherford gives the media clues
• Says Dhaliwal is the most plugged-in guy in the market
• Canucks want to see how this goes with a mostly healthy roster
• Rutherford has a wishlist and if he can get those players, he will do it
• Rutherford likes to make trades early and doesn’t like to wait
• Challenge is they want to see what they look like with the roster they have now but also wants to strike early
• Allvin is cut front he same cloth

Brock Boeser

• Rutherford’s comments on Boeser were benign
• Mutual interest from the team and players on signing an extension

Dylan Cozens & Bowen Byram for Elias Pettersson

• Was spitballing on his podcast
• Thinks the Canucks and Sabres have talked to each other
• Does not know if that’s the exact combination of players the teams have talked about
• Sabres have players the Canucks like
• Canucks interest in Byram has been reported in the past
• Does think the two teams have talked about players
• Can see the Canucks being interested in Cozens & Byram and the Sabres being interested in Pettersson
• Something about the Canucks’ mix that coaching and management does not like

JT Miller

• Thinks that he is a unique personality in that room
• Very demanding of himself and others
• Sometimes we look at people that don’t show outward emotion and believe they don’t care about winning; that kind of thinking is just stupid
• Canucks are all working on together is that Miller can be demanding but understanding where the limit is and other players need to be more accepting of his demanding natures
• Finding “the line” in what’s acceptable
• Friedman is standing up for Vancouver reporters for giving Miller space about his absence

Vincent Desharnais

• Just hasn’t worked out
• Trying to see what options are available and are willing to consider a few things
• Some of this is for cap reasons
• Want to be a bit more consistent with the line-up

 

[Back in 94]

Byram and Cozens for Pete would be a disaster for us and the cherry on top.of the f***ing cake for how the first 3 months of this season has gone for us. Not sure why Friedman would even mention that if it was not true though.

 

[Tact]

Byram and Cozens for Pete would be a disaster for us and the cherry on top.of the f***ing cake for how the first 3 months of this season has gone for us. Not sure why Friedman would even mention that if it was not true though.

He knows both teams have contacted each other and he’s just trying to connect the dots.

After all, his line of work is to get clicks.

 

[theguardianII]

are we watching the same team

He is fun to watch, he is a great skater but what has the team won? It is a team game and wins are supposed to be the standard of success.
What good is Hughes getting 100 points but the team only get 90 points and misses the playoffs?
Or he vanishes in the playoffs and becomes ordinary when teams know to shut him down and the team can't win as easily because the team has counted on him too much during the season.

It took ALL the players to get to the playoffs last year. Hughes will help get there but as good as he is where is the team now? And this was the 2nd easiest schedule in the NHL up until now.

Other teams have had worse injuries than the Canucks while having much harder schedules.

 

[Jerry the great]

Buffalo Sabres

• Has reported that a lot of teams are calling the Sabres about calling

Dylan Cozens

• If the Sabres were committed to move Cozens, the Canucks would call
• Amount of teams that have called on Cozens has been very high
• Sabres have done pretty much everything to try to win

Jim Rutherford’s Comments

• Rutherford gives the media clues
• Says Dhaliwal is the most plugged-in guy in the market
• Canucks want to see how this goes with a mostly healthy roster
• Rutherford has a wishlist and if he can get those players, he will do it
• Rutherford likes to make trades early and doesn’t like to wait
• Challenge is they want to see what they look like with the roster they have now but also wants to strike early
• Allvin is cut front he same cloth

Brock Boeser

• Rutherford’s comments on Boeser were benign
• Mutual interest from the team and players on signing an extension

Dylan Cozens & Bowen Byram for Elias Pettersson

• Was spitballing on his podcast
• Thinks the Canucks and Sabres have talked to each other
• Does not know if that’s the exact combination of players the teams have talked about
• Sabres have players the Canucks like
• Canucks interest in Byram has been reported in the past
• Does think the two teams have talked about players
• Can see the Canucks being interested in Cozens & Byram and the Sabres being interested in Pettersson
• Something about the Canucks’ mix that coaching and management does not like

JT Miller

• Thinks that he is a unique personality in that room
• Very demanding of himself and others
• Sometimes we look at people that don’t show outward emotion and believe they don’t care about winning; that kind of thinking is just stupid
• Canucks are all working on together is that Miller can be demanding but understanding where the limit is and other players need to be more accepting of his demanding natures
• Finding “the line” in what’s acceptable
• Friedman is standing up for Vancouver reporters for giving Miller space about his absence

Vincent Desharnais

• Just hasn’t worked out
• Trying to see what options are available and are willing to consider a few things
• Some of this is for cap reasons
• Want to be a bit more consistent with the line-up

Isn't it interesting that we mention Buffalo and Vancouver yesterday in this thread and this morning we get this stuff. kind of fascinating.

 

[theguardianII]

Byram and Cozens for Pete would be a disaster for us and the cherry on top.of the f***ing cake for how the first 3 months of this season has gone for us. Not sure why Friedman would even mention that if it was not true though.

Buffalo was calling earlier. The rumor is Vancouver has coveted Byram for awhile. IMO I would not deal for Byram because of the severity of his concussions.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Wow, different vibes this Christmas compared to last!

 

[theguardianII]

If the team is talking about an EP trade the fans aren't thinking about a Miller or Boeser trade.

Garland's name has been silent in any rumors so maybe him?

I think some of this fantastic stuff is distracting from other possibilities.

Muddying the waters, no one is thinking about Miller now.

 

[bossram]

The tried Podkolzin as an energy guy with better players. His cluelessness defensively limited him to limited minutes. The final straw IMO was Game 82 last year against Winnipeg where he was lost defensively on 3 different goals and turned in maybe the worst performance of his career, after they'd been doing everything possible to get him to sort these issues for 2 years. Again : this player was not tossed away lightly in terms of either effort or time. They badly wanted him to be part of this team going forward. He just didn't do his part.

Tocchet wanted to use Hoglander just fine last year. Hoglander played the best hockey of his career under Tocchet. The organization extended him. Then he regressed to the garbage play that made Green and Boudreau bench him, too. It's so tiresome hearing that Hoglander's problems are Rick Tocchet instead of the bad habits and low IQ that have plagued him for pretty much his entire career. Tocchet was the only one to actually fix these things, albeit temporarily.

Again, I mostly agree with you on Podz. I don't think my point about his upside and how to get it is that controversial.

I also think we have pretty similar views on Hoglander. I just don't think he was ever really "fixed" last season. He had some good shooting luck which masked some other stuff and maybe gave him some confidence so the vibes were just generally better. When he was playing his "best" last season, it was in the bottom-six in an energy role. He was just getting bounces. I don't think Tocc ever viewed him as a guy he really wanted to give a lot of ice-time to.