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So you picked a player who scored way more than 30 goals in a season, and who wasn't better than Forsberg?
Is Peter Forsberg the best forward that never scored more than 30 goals?
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Gerulaitis
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These have never scored 30 in an NHL season:
Ace Bailey
Bryan Hextall
Vladimir Krutov
Helmuts Balderis
Ace Bailey
Bryan Hextall
Vladimir Krutov
Helmuts Balderis
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You do have to admit that other than the seasons where he scored more than 30 goals, he never was able to accomplish this. That's objectively a fact.
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I feel the spirit of the question would exclude soviet that did not play a whole nhl season in their life (or it would become a conversation about the best soviet here).
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Gerulaitis
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That's why I brought up Krutov who was a monster in the 80s like Bossy and Makarov
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But Krutov was leading his league at least a couple of time in goals, scored a lot of them in the Canada cup, olympics, worlds, etc...
The only reason he never scored 30 in the nhl, it is because he virtually never played in the nhl.
Makarov, Petrov, Kharlamov, Larionov also never scored more than 30 in the nhl, a long list of the great soviet did not.
We could end up with answering Gretzky the best forward to never score 25 goals for CKSA moscow question, technically true but not in the spirit of it (restricting it to player that played in the nhl in their prime and did not score 30 when it was possible).
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BigBadBruins7708
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There's a bunch of O6 era guys with a claim. A bit facetious because it was more a product of the era than skill
Gerulaitis
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Actually, I wonder how many goals Gretzky would have scored playing in the Soviet league.
Probably a lot if he was with the Central Army Club. And not much if he played for one of the bottom feeders
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Because we all know Getz wasn't the straw that stirs the drink.
He ain't no Balderis going from Latvia to Russia.
Absurd.
Well yeah Makarov never got more than 30 I see...
Balderis scored a lot more at Riga than at CSKA. If you wanna stat pad being on a weaker team with a solid single line while having the entire game revolve around you can actually improve your numbers believe it or not. Gretzky would have likely done extremely well. His game wasn't built for the NHL anyways. He was way too cerebral for the lumberjack style hockey that was being played back then.
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For what it's worth, here are the players with the best 7 year VsX scores (for goal scoring), with a career high of less than 30:
If we include players who reached exactly 30, we'd add Roy Conacher (49.6!), Bill Cowley (37.2), and Henri Richard (37.2) - among a few others.
Most of these players are pre-expansion. Same thing if we limit it to 1968 onwards:
If we include players who reached exactly 30, we'd add Evander Kane (32.6), Patrick Hornqvist (29.0), and Peter Forsberg (28.2).
As most of us know, VsX is based on regular season production over full seasons. Therefore someone like Forsberg (who stepped up his goal scoring in the playoffs, and who had some good partial seasons ie 1997 & 2004) would be underrated here.
| Player | 7 YEAR | max |
| Busher Jackson | 45.6 | 28 |
| Sweeney Schriner | 44.3 | 24 |
| Bryan Hextall | 46.3 | 27 |
| Toe Blake | 42.3 | 29 |
| Syl Apps Sr | 41.6 | 26 |
| Marty Barry | 45.6 | 27 |
| Aurel Joliat | 41.2 | 28 |
| Cecil Dillon | 43.6 | 25 |
| Woody Dumart | 38.0 | 24 |
| Ted Kennedy | 38.0 | 29 |
| Milt Schmidt | 36.9 | 27 |
| Gordie Drillon | 46.9 | 28 |
| Harry Watson | 35.4 | 26 |
| Dick Duff | 34.1 | 29 |
| Johnny Gottselig | 34.2 | 21 |
| Bun Cook | 35.0 | 24 |
| Paul Thompson | 37.7 | 22 |
| Larry Aurie | 34.2 | 23 |
| Herbie Lewis | 33.6 | 20 |
| Bob Pulford | 32.0 | 28 |
If we include players who reached exactly 30, we'd add Roy Conacher (49.6!), Bill Cowley (37.2), and Henri Richard (37.2) - among a few others.
Most of these players are pre-expansion. Same thing if we limit it to 1968 onwards:
| Player | 7 year | max |
| Andrew Ladd | 30.3 | 29 |
| Blake Wheeler | 29.9 | 28 |
| Ryan O'Reilly | 27.8 | 28 |
| Bobby Holik | 27.5 | 29 |
| Brad Richards | 27.4 | 28 |
| Cory Stillman | 27.3 | 27 |
| Nikolaj Ehlers | 27.2 | 29 |
| Brayden Schenn | 26.7 | 28 |
| Jakub Voracek | 26.4 | 23 |
| Ryan Callahan | 26.3 | 29 |
| Marco Sturm | 26.3 | 29 |
| Alex Tanguay | 26.2 | 29 |
| David Perron | 26.1 | 28 |
| Derek Sanderson | 26.1 | 29 |
| Tomas Plekanec | 25.9 | 29 |
| Sergei Samsonov | 25.8 | 29 |
| Tomas Tatar | 25.8 | 29 |
| Nino Niederreiter | 25.4 | 25 |
| Yanic Perreault | 25.3 | 28 |
| Troy Brouwer | 24.9 | 25 |
If we include players who reached exactly 30, we'd add Evander Kane (32.6), Patrick Hornqvist (29.0), and Peter Forsberg (28.2).
As most of us know, VsX is based on regular season production over full seasons. Therefore someone like Forsberg (who stepped up his goal scoring in the playoffs, and who had some good partial seasons ie 1997 & 2004) would be underrated here.
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- 1. Gottselig.
There continues to show evidence of his greatness.
- 2. Wheeler.
He is the greatest passing winger since Lafleur, Bathgate... like Kane.
- 3. Holik.
Bobby was vaulted until he signed that huge deal and was expected to play a 1st line role?
Gerulaitis
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As far as I remember, Latvia and Russia were parts of the same country back there.
And you missed my point about Gretzky. Sorry about that
Gerulaitis
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I'm sure Gretzky would make a great highly productive center for Khomutov and Kamensky.
But playing for some Dynamo Minsk? I'm not too sure about that
