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[Bleach Clean]

I would hope there is more to it than that....Chytil and Lindgren can make the "money in-money out" work, they get a center (albeit underwhelming) back, a UFA defenseman they can probably flip at the deadline, and a 1st rounder...i would have expected a reasonable prospect as well....and even that is kinda meh. I'm wondering at this point if Miller has quietly Kesler'd us and the Rangers know it.

It's the NTC and Miller angling for NYR, a la Kesler. Canucks are in a bad spot here. We have not heard a detailed rumour on any other team... Iirc.

I think the timeline has been pushed up because we are nearing the time that futures are at their cheapest value. That's why I think they are doing it now. They get that 1st us it as trade capital whereas getting it in the off-season would be more difficult.

 

[LemonSauceD]

 

[Ernie]

They were also willing to pay Lindholm a lot of money last summer.

These guys are far from perfect

They were willing to pay Lindholm a significantly smaller amount of money than what he got, and when they realized that he wasn't going to budge they quickly walked away.

I think that trade was poor value, especially for what they needed. I felt that it was more a case of lining up a replacement for Pettersson if they couldn't get him to sign. After he signed, they weren't going to sign a 3rd line center for $8m.

 

[Vector]

There's so much to listen to that it's going to take me forever to get recaps out.

32 Thoughts
Friedman on Halford & Brough
Drance on Halford & Brough
Seravalli is weighing-in

So bear with me.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

I'm not too surprised if so. This core is done. Petey is just bo horvat when his time was crap here to keep us float

 

[Bleach Clean]

That statement has to align with them keeping Pettersson. That this core around Pettersson and Hughes is not good enough, and they're right. (Finally)

Now starts the longer re-tool they should have done initially.

 

[Ernie]

They may not be wrong but you don't do this during the season unless someone massively overpays. There is no urgency.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

So last year it was good enough.

This year they are not.

Next year? We win the Cup.

 

[Jerry the great]

There's so much to listen to that it's going to take me forever to get recaps out.

32 Thoughts
Friedman on Halford & Brough
Drance on Halford & Brough
Seravalli is weighing-in

So bear with me.

heavy is the head that wears the crown

 

[thecupismine]

It really is 07/08 all over again, where Naslund/B.Mo get pushed out to make space in the locker room for the Sedins/Hughes to really take over. That wasn't nearly as messy as this is, as Naslund etc. were class acts on the decline vs. what we're seeing right now.

If they're going down this path, they can't mess up this trade like they did with the Kesler deal (different era) - otherwise it will set them back way too far to recover.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

heavy is the head that wears the crown

And the neck is compressed. We should pitch in for one of those neck-stretchers from Africa for the poor guy.

 

[TruGr1t]

So last year it was good enough.

This year they are not.

Next year? We win the Cup.

Last year is certainly sounding like this regime's version of the bubble playoffs. They will of course try to continue serving the two masters of "stay competitive" and "rebuild on the fly".

 

[Bleach Clean]

They were willing to pay Lindholm a significantly smaller amount of money than what he got, and when they realized that he wasn't going to budge they quickly walked away.

I think that trade was poor value, especially for what they needed. I felt that it was more a case of lining up a replacement for Pettersson if they couldn't get him to sign. After he signed, they weren't going to sign a 3rd line center for $8m.

That trade was a hedge against Petey negotiations, but it may also have been one for Miller too...

 

[krutovsdonut]

As a parent of four children, I can tell you it's largely just genetic chance and they can be all over the place.

a bit of both i think. i immigrated to canada and my two younger brothers were born here. my parents grew up poor and didn't understand nutrition, food or exercise. the height chart tracks the path of their enlightenment.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

"The Benning Stink"

The players themselves are super talented but these guys need to go their separate ways and latch onto a team where they can be role players instead of trying to be "the guys" here. It was never going to happen.

Boeser can go to Minnesota and be a complementary forward.

Miller can hopefully go to a team where there are multiple tough hardnose leaders willing to keep his ego in check. He doesn't have to score 100+ points on a deep squad and can excel in a two-way shutdown role.

 

[IComeInPeace]

How in the world did Will Borgen net a better return than JT Miller?

I’d way rather have Kaapo Kakko than the Lindgren, Chytil return.

If JTM is only willing to go to the NYR’s, then don’t trade him and let him sulk until he expands his list of destinations.

 

[LemonSauceD]

That statement has to align with them keeping Pettersson. That this core around Pettersson and Hughes is not good enough, and they're right. (Finally)

Pretty much. You look at other cores around the league, and they’re all consistent. Toronto, Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Vegas, Edmonton. There’s never a question about inconsistency.

Meanwhile Pettersson has had too many stretches of not producing, Miller and his effort and compete level, Boeser no showing too many nights.

 

[kanucks25]

How in the world did Will Borgen net a better return than JT Miller?

I’d way rather have Kaapo Kakko than the Lindgren, Chytil return.

If JTM is only willing to go to the NYR’s, then don’t trade him and let him sulk until he expands his list of destinations.

What if he didn't only waive to NYR but literally nobody else wants him.

What have we done to deserve this torture

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Last year is certainly sounding like this regime's version of the bubble playoffs. They will of course try to continue serving the two masters of "stay competitive" and "rebuild on the fly".

That's most of my frustration. Pick a lane, stay in it. Last year was great but I don't think management even expected that. That changed things the same way the 2009-10 season did. But, last year we were backed by probably one of the best single season goaltending performances I've seen, and I became a fan shortly before the Luongo era.

And I predicted the poor guy would injure himself because he can't quit on a play - to his own detriment. We've got Hughes and Demko, like, we should be building from the net OUT, no? There's a slim, nary impossible chance we get to eat our cake and have it too. I've never been struck by lightning, so I ain't counting on it.

 

[bossram]

It's just terrible though. If he's being a distraction, healthy scratch him until 4 Nations, then healthy scratch him again until the deadline if necessary. Suspend him if the behaviour is bad enough. They already proved in November that they can win without him. Give him the tough love that he seems to need.

I actually really doubt his behaviour is that egregious though, because if it was they wouldn't be trotting him out to speak to the media.

So the solution to JT Miller having low trade value is to healthy scratch him indefinitely. Or suspend him for bad behaviour.

Yeah. Makes sense.

 

[Flik]

Good morning!!!!

 

[Nick Lang]

Yeah, we could do that. I'm expecting things for here to only get worse if we go that route. They are lowballing us for a reason, and the way you described is a far more treacherous route if you want actual resolution. Everyone wants to at least break even, hate to break it to everyone but I really don't see that as being grounded in reality considering the circumstances.

The question nobody asks is where does Quinn Hughes fit into all this? His contract is up when? The Canucks have been a clown car of drama his whole career with little success...Would he even want to stay here after witnessing that?

That's why I think the situation needs to be resolved before the deadline. We're gonna upset the whole apple cart because we can't properly cut our losses.

If the rumoured returns are true then yea good chance Hughes is leaving after his contract

People keep talking about Quinn in all of this. If we're primarily worried about him moving Miller is probably the best thing to do. He's already having a negative affect on the team this season. What's he going to be like and how much will he have declined 2 years from now when Hughes is due a contract?

I don't like the rumored returns though. I would just keep looking for the best trade. Don't just jump in and sit him for a week or two if you have to while you find the right deal, or wait until TDL or offseason.

 

[Vector]

Whoever said that Friedman said that a trade request from Miller was denied is full on stupid. Friedman said that he heard Miller asked for a trade but other sources denied that report and Miller hasn't asked for a trade.

 

[supercanuck]

Management needs to go with Miller. This core has been mishandled by 2 separate management teams. So angry right now

 

[TruGr1t]

That's most of my frustration. Pick a lane, stay in it. Last year was great but I don't think management even expected that. That changed things the same way the 2009-10 season did. But, last year we were backed by probably one of the best single season goaltending performances I've seen, and I became a fan shortly before the Luongo era.

And I predicted the poor guy would injure himself because he can't quit on a play - to his own detriment. We've got Hughes and Demko, like, we should be building from the net OUT, no? There's a slim, nary impossible chance we get to eat our cake and have it too. I've never been struck by lightning, so I ain't counting on it.

They will absolutely not do a full rebuild, you can already see it in how they're trying to structure the Miller package, it's the same old Canucks M.O. They will try the same Benning route of getting NHLers in their early-to-mid 20s and flip whatever picks they get in separate deals for more NHL-ready assets.