GDT: Group C - February 18 - Sweden (3) vs Finland (1)

[Kcb12345]

Well, as much as I dislike Finland we (Sweden) have really rough years ahead of us because Finland's new generation looking great with many fantastic talents. It's actually a risk they are going to dominate us.

So many talents I don't even remember all of them... ****...

Laine, Saros, Barkov, Rantanen, Ristolainen, Teräväinen, Vatanen, Aho, Lehkonen, Puljujärvi, Juolevi, Heiskanen, Tolvanen, Valimaki, Vesalainen, Vaakanainen... and... and.... and... more ;-)

Don't forget Lindell and Honka. Lindell is a legit top 4 dman and Honka is showing signs he could have a bright future ahead of him.

 

[Elvs]

Tolvanen had more points in 2 olympic games then entire wjc tournament

Jesper Bratt scores more in the NHL than he did in Allsvenskan, and the sample size is far greater than just 2 games. Conclusion: allsvenskan > NHL ainec

 

[Albatros]

Don't forget Lindell and Honka. Lindell is a legit top 4 dman and Honka is showing signs he could have a bright future ahead of him.

Even so the defensive end looks a bit thin, unless all prospects meet or exceed expectations that could be the new Achilles' heel for Finland.

 

[catters078]

Can anyone give an update on how heiskanen has played this tourny so far? Hopefully finland get to the medal rounds ao we can see him on the big stage

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

was scratched by gronborg beacuse he dont think Dhalin is a better fit than any of the other D men.

That's a bit odd.
As a ex Sweden's U20 head coach Grönborg should know that Dahlin is most promising dman from Sweden since Erik Karlsson.

So i think Grönborg should give Dahlin a chance to show what he brings on Sweden's team.
You can't never know if you don't try.

Look at Lauri Marjamäki he didn't hesitate to bring Heiskanen and Tolvanen men's level this early.
I'm bit disappointed on that Dahlin didn't play vs Finland.
But maybe his time comes later example in IIHF men's worlds in May.

 

[VictorLustig]

Can anyone give an update on how heiskanen has played this tourny so far? Hopefully finland get to the medal rounds ao we can see him on the big stage

Looked excellent against Sweden. That's all I know.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Even so the defensive end looks a bit thin, unless all prospects meet or exceed expectations that could be the new Achilles' heel for Finland.

I think biggest Achilles heel on Finland's future national team is lack of quality NHL centers.
Barkov and Borgström looks both really good but that's it.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi is very promising so is Rasmus Kupari.
But these guys can play RW also so they won't be centers necessarily.

Then there's Janne Kuokkanen who was major disappointment in world juniors right now is really hard to say what Kuokkanen is in the future. Aleksi Saarela is also center but he can also turn a winger like Teräväinen, Kotkaniemi,Kupari and Kuokkanen.

Otto Somppi is Finland's top center in 1998 age group but also his future potential is a questionmark.
Aapeli Räsänen looked good in world juniors but is he men's national team center in the future.

Roope Hintz is really good center prospect but even he can play for wing.
Joni Ikonen is C / RW as well and nobody can't say for sure what he'll be in the future.

Granlund brothers are centers also but at least one of that duo turns a winger.
If Finland wants more centers we have to hope that Henri Nikkanen and Anton Lundell exceed those expectations what they'll face when their draft year comes closer.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Laine is most probably a generational talent up there with Sundin, Forsberg, Selänne, Kurri etc, amazing player.

Thanks for that praise yeah Laine is excellent.
But if you ask me i would put Dahlin in same category with Nick Lidström and Erik Karlsson.

 

[21]

Thanks for that praise yeah Laine is excellent.
But if you ask me i would put Dahlin in same category with Nick Lidström and Erik Karlsson.

Please tell that to our coach. ;-)

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Well, as much as I dislike Finland we (Sweden) have really rough years ahead of us because Finland's new generation looking great with many fantastic talents. It's actually a risk they are going to dominate us.

So many talents I don't even remember all of them... ****...

Laine, Saros, Barkov, Rantanen, Ristolainen, Teräväinen, Vatanen, Aho, Lehkonen, Puljujärvi, Juolevi, Heiskanen, Tolvanen, Valimaki, Vesalainen, Vaakanainen... and... and.... and... more ;-)

If this makes you feel more comfortable i have same feelings on Sweden what you have from Finland.
We can't say for sure who's gonna be king of the north in the future before NHL players are back in the Olympics.

If you ask for me i think the advantage from prospect production is for Sweden now.
But our ( Finland's) young boys are closing the gap step by step.

 

[21]

If this makes you feel more comfortable i have same feelings on Sweden what you have from Finland.
We can't say for sure who's gonna be king of the north in the future before NHL players are back in the Olympics.

If you ask for me i think the advantage from prospect production is for Sweden now.
But our ( Finland's) young boys are closing the gap step by step.

Most definately closing the gap and also winning a lot otherwise I will be really surprised

Sweden is good defensively and in tactics (kind of boring sometimes but still good) but I'm expecting Finland to have a very good generation from now on (perhaps the best Finnish generation of all time). It will be interesting to follow but I'm pretty sure Finland will improve a lot.

Sweden do have many talents as well and we will see how they develop.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Please tell that to our coach. ;-)

Is Grönborg really so stupid coach he doesn't realize at all how talented Dahlin is.
Even i didn't like Lauri Marjamäki when he came Finland's coach but now i think he truly was best man on that job.
Taking Tolvanen and Heiskanen in Olympic team tells that he doesn't hesitate to bring younger players in men's level.

 

[Snowsii]

I think biggest Achilles heel on Finland's future national team is lack of quality NHL centers.
Barkov and Borgström looks both really good but that's it.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi is very promising so is Rasmus Kupari.
But these guys can play RW also so they won't be centers necessarily.

Then there's Janne Kuokkanen who was major disappointment in world juniors right now is really hard to say what Kuokkanen is in the future. Aleksi Saarela is also center but he can also turn a winger like Teräväinen, Kotkaniemi,Kupari and Kuokkanen.

Otto Somppi is Finland's top center in 1998 age group but also his future potential is a questionmark.
Aapeli Räsänen looked good in world juniors but is he men's national team center in the future.

Roope Hintz is really good center prospect but even he can play for wing.
Joni Ikonen is C / RW as well and nobody can't say for sure what he'll be in the future.

Granlund brothers are centers also but at least one of that duo turns a winger.
If Finland wants more centers we have to hope that Henri Nikkanen and Anton Lundell exceed those expectations what they'll face when their draft year comes closer.

Sebastian Aho?

 

[21]

Is Grönborg really so stupid coach he doesn't realize at all how talented Dahlin is.
Even i didn't like Lauri Marjamäki when he came Finland's coach but now i think he truly was best man on that job.
Taking Tolvanen and Heiskanen in Olympic team tells that he doesn't hesitate to bring younger players in men's level.

The Swedish coach is currently being a coward, it's tragical.

Not to forget Elias Pettersson is not on the Swedish Olympic team at all (one of our highest scoring juniors in Swedish history of hockey, currently third in SHL (points). Elias will probably break the all time SHL record for a junior (points), good enough for Olympics??

 

[Eye of Ra]

I am not worried....

we have alot of good young players....

f.forsberg,
w.nylander,
elias.pettersson,
w.karlsson,
rakell,
landeskog,
arvidsson,
e.lindholm,
rask,
bratt,
a.kempe,
janmark,
burakovsky,
wennberg,
dahlen,
a.nylander,
lias andersson,
zibanejad,
wallmark,
lindblom,
a.johnsson,
timashov
emil.pettersson,
forsbacka-karlsson,
joel eriksson ek
åberg
elvenes
jesper boqvist
lundeström
v.olofsson
lindqvist
ejdsell
asplund
davidsson brothers
fjällby
söderlund - wingerli - sebastian ohlsson
einer emanuelsson
emil larsson
kovacs
sörensen
grundström
engvall

rasmus andersson
liljegren
kylington
brännström
dahlin
a.boqvist
borgman
forsling
gustav olofsson
aho
rosen
g.carlsson
j.larsson
j.klingberg
h.lindholm
j.brodin
klefbom
ryan
djoos
a.larsson
hägg
claesson
a.lindholm
pilut
joel persson
lucas carlsson


ullmark
dansk
a.forsberg
andren
filip gustavsson
söderström
sandström


and many more...

i feel safe when reading this names...

many names on my list might not be stars...be they are good players....we have enough young players in good quality to keep being a top nation for 15 years...

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Most definately closing the gap and also winning a lot otherwise I will be really surprised

Sweden is good defensively and in tactics (kind of boring sometimes but still good) but I'm expecting Finland to have a really good generation from now on. It will be interesting to follow but I'm pretty sure Finland will improve a lot.

Sweden do have many talents as well and we will see how they develop.

You truly hit top of the nail.
Yes we ( Finland) are improved our prospect production last years but still there's job to do.

As i mentioned one Achilles heel of our national team in the future probably is lack of NHL centers.
Also our goaltending will face changes when Rinne and Rask retires.

Saros is NHL goalie and he's got bright future in Nashville.
Joonas Korpisalo is stuck in Columbus so long when Bobrovski is starting goalie Joonas won't get real chance to fought starters spot in Jarmo Kekaläinen's Blue Jackets. Maybe trade for other NHL team could save his NHL career.

Harri Säteri played his first NHL games this year but does he have NHL future.
His contract is expiring this summer so let's see is he NHL goalie next season. But international level Säteri is proved himself and he's very good goalie.

Atte Engren is one the best goalies in SM liiga and he has national team experience.
Kaapo Kähkönen who saved our home world juniors in Helsinki is developed a lot after that tourney.

Kähkönen has played really good in SM liiga and what i'm read NHL teams are looking him closely.
Veini Vehviläinen who was total sieve in 2016 world juniors is improved a lot but is he futures NHL goalie.

Ville Husso who was Juuse Saros back up in 2014 world juniors in Malmö plays now in AHL.
St Louis Blues has big plans for Husso so without any surprises he'll be NHL goalie in few years.

Ukko Pekka Luukkonen was really unsure in past world juniors in Buffalo.
But even he has NHL future when he improves his game and other weaknesses.

Antti Raanta is finally starting goalie in NHL but unfortunately the team around him isn't good
Raanta could be one Finland's goalies upcoming IIHF men's worlds in Denmark.

Mikko Koskinen is probably best KHL goalie.
And without any serious injuries Koskinen probably replaces Rinne when Pekka retires.

Then there's Kevin Lankinen.
He's 1995 born goalie who's destiny as a junior national teams was to be the 3rd guy behind Saros and Husso.

Lankinen is developed a lot in HIFK's SM liiga team last years and he's one good season away being NHL goalie.
That's impressive by a goalie who never was most hyped goalie prospect in Finland because Saros and Husso.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Sebastian Aho?

If Barkov is available and healthy Aho will be winger.

 

[Snowsii]

If Barkov is available and healthy Aho will be winger.

If we get all the possible players, then yes. But Aho is still possible center for us.

 

[Mestaruus]

Even so the defensive end looks a bit thin, unless all prospects meet or exceed expectations that could be the new Achilles' heel for Finland.

Wouldn't call it 'new Achilles' heel'. It has been that for a while. Finland's defensemen situation looked it's best probably around 2006 Torino, with Numminen, Timonen, Salo and more. The new generation can be better in my opinion.

 

[ZEBROA]

Sometimes in weak moments i wish Sweden and Finland was the same country (Swedland? Finden? ) Would make a great hockeyteam.

 

[Snowsii]

Sometimes in weak moments i wish Sweden and Finland was the same country (Swedland? Finden? ) Would make a great hockeyteam.

It would rival Canada

 

[QnebO]

Kontiolas hit were not clean his head hit Ahnelovs head. If he had played theater he would not leave the game. The other was not a dive it was the player behind the swede that tripped him not the one it first looked like. Finland fought hard and i will belive they will get a medal. Not sure Sweden will get past Germany or Switzerland. Good luck the games ahead.

Strange, all finnish experts said it was 100% clean, obviously very hard tho.(Selänne, t. Ruutu, alpo Suhonen)

Its kinda funny actually if all swede experts in their studio thinks it headshot as opposite to finns view. Funny not because a particular side, just funny un surpring disagreement.

Also i remember swedes saying McGabe hit on Laine was clean even tho McCabe hit his head on laines head, where Laine got concussion and was IR for over month.