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Star Platinum said:
Everybody wants to win. Some work harder at it than others.

I don't think Tyler Toffoli doesn't want to win just because he signed here. I think he got financially compensated to come somewhere where he'd still be a Top 6 guy and wouldn't have to worry about being moved at the deadline.
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I think with Toffoli the market was still very tight; how many teams could have given him that contract (especially the NTC)? He probably chose money/security over taking a very short-term deal on a contender, which is respectable. I'd like to think that his familiarity with the area was a tiebreaker. Also, he does have a cup on his resume...

But if it comes out that he rejected a 6x4 deal from Florida, Colorado, or Tampa Bay...then yes, I'd question his motivation in being in SJ.
 
OrrNumber4 said:
I think with Toffoli the market was still very tight; how many teams could have given him that contract (especially the NTC)? He probably chose money/security over taking a very short-term deal on a contender, which is respectable. I'd like to think that his familiarity with the area was a tiebreaker. Also, he does have a cup on his resume...

But if it comes out that he rejected a 6x4 deal from Florida, Colorado, or Tampa Bay...then yes, I'd question his motivation in being in SJ.
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Why would you question his motivation for making a life choice in his career? That’s being overly judgmental.
 
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We have no reason whatsoever to worry about finishing anywhere better than #31 and are clearly the favorites to finish #32. My guess is we're in the basement by more than 5 points.
 
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gaucholoco3 said:
Honestly I don’t see any reason for them to mark Benson as untouchable. He is a small winger who while playing in the NHL at 19 is not having much success.

I actually think they should be open to moving anyone including Dahlin. They have lots of valuable square pegs and only round holes to place them. I’m sure the fan base would not want to start over but they need a whole organizational change to be successful.
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Untouchable was maybe too strong a word, but Benson is two things: 1) the type of player you win with and 2) never going to get the value in a trade that he has on-ice. Ergo, virtually untouchable in my book. Dahlin could be traded but it would have to be for a legitimate real #1C, someone better than Pettersson, and that player isn't available. When I think of centers who could pull Dahlin in a trade, with age and contract all figured in, it's like. Celebrini (which we wouldn't do), maybe Stutzle, Mackinnon, Barkov, Bedard if you consider him a center, and Hughes if you consider him a center. Matthews and McDavid are too close to UFA and Crosby is too old. So he's not getting traded.

I don't envy Sabres fans. It's hard to see what you can even do, and the longer you want the more your assets depreciate. It's why I think there is some value in drafting for need over drafting strictly the BPA. I'm extremely genuinely curious who Buffalo would pick if they had the 1st overall pick. They'd have to choose a center over another offensive-leaning LHD... right?
 
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gaucholoco3 said:
Honestly I don’t see any reason for them to mark Benson as untouchable. He is a small winger who while playing in the NHL at 19 is not having much success.

I actually think they should be open to moving anyone including Dahlin. They have lots of valuable square pegs and only round holes to place them. I’m sure the fan base would not want to start over but they need a whole organizational change to be successful.


At this point there is no need to make any moves to help tank further. This team is bad and has maybe a 1% chance of not being bottom 2 which guarantees them on of the big 4 prospects. Moving Walman for anything less than an overpay would just create an environment that would be almost impossible for the young FWs to develop.
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With him being under contract next year, there's no rush to move him this year. If the deal is compelling enough and you feel like you're selling high, do it - if not, you can wait.
 
sharski said:
when you've made as much money and had as much success as I have, you'll see that it's not always about the money

and i've made a lot of money... like... a LOT of money
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sharski said:
when you've made as much money and had as much success as I have, you'll see that it's not always about the money

and i've made a lot of money... like... a LOT of money
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Nothing says success like anonymously flexing on a hockey message board.

I used to be a president of a country.
 
TheBeard said:
Nothing says success like anonymously flexing on a hockey message board.

I used to be a president of a country.
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I think the best way to flex in this situation is to write a very large check and mail it to:

Star Platinum
53 Goodrow Sucks Rd
Northern California, 90210

I will report later with a photo of my purchases with said check
 
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Star Platinum said:
I think the best way to flex in this situation is to write a very large check and mail it to:

Star Platinum
53 Goodrow Sucks Rd
Northern California, 90210

I will report later with a photo of my purchases with said check
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Ha! A clear lie! Given how long that road must be, the odds of you having a double-digit house number are infinitesimally small...
 
OrrNumber4 said:
I think with Toffoli the market was still very tight; how many teams could have given him that contract (especially the NTC)? He probably chose money/security over taking a very short-term deal on a contender, which is respectable. I'd like to think that his familiarity with the area was a tiebreaker. Also, he does have a cup on his resume...

But if it comes out that he rejected a 6x4 deal from Florida, Colorado, or Tampa Bay...then yes, I'd question his motivation in being in SJ.
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He was literally on record saying that having played for 6 teams in 4 years was wearing on him and his family and he wanted to settle down somewhere for an extended period of time near his wife's family...

The other offers he was getting were shorter term and lower dollars based on the reporting of every insider type out there at the time.
 
Juxtaposer said:
Untouchable was maybe too strong a word, but Benson is two things: 1) the type of player you win with and 2) never going to get the value in a trade that he has on-ice. Ergo, virtually untouchable in my book. Dahlin could be traded but it would have to be for a legitimate real #1C, someone better than Pettersson, and that player isn't available. When I think of centers who could pull Dahlin in a trade, with age and contract all figured in, it's like. Celebrini (which we wouldn't do), maybe Stutzle, Mackinnon, Barkov, Bedard if you consider him a center, and Hughes if you consider him a center. Matthews and McDavid are too close to UFA and Crosby is too old. So he's not getting traded.

I don't envy Sabres fans. It's hard to see what you can even do, and the longer you want the more your assets depreciate. It's why I think there is some value in drafting for need over drafting strictly the BPA. I'm extremely genuinely curious who Buffalo would pick if they had the 1st overall pick. They'd have to choose a center over another offensive-leaning LHD... right?
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I mean it shouldn't be that hard to do if their ownership/GM was smart and strategic. There are pieces there that are good and could fetch a nice return if they were willing to toss emotion to the side and make moves to be more cohesive in terms of team building (Byram, Power, Tuch, etc. would fetch nice returns that would get them that coveted center).
 
Juxtaposer said:
I'm very curious what Buffalo does with Thompson. Obviously he's highly skilled but I don't think he's a real center. So they really don't have any legit top-6 centers on that roster (Cozens is a wing too).
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Agree, i think hes the perfect compliment to either Smith/Celebrini on the RW. Good around the net, elite hands and a nose for goal scoring.
 
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