Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins, 2024 - 2025 Season

[izlez]

Nate Dawg was first star last night with no points if people are wondering how his game is, even when not scoring

Did you actually watch it to know he played well? I saw that and my first thought was they just gave it to the person with the shootout winner

 

[lilidk]

Did you actually watch it to know he played well? I saw that and my first thought was they just gave it to the person with the shootout winner

2023 Berggren> 2024 Danielson

 

[cvaicunas]

2023 Berggren> 2024 Danielson

You mean 2018 draft pick Berggren > 2023 draft pick Danielson. Kid is exceeding what Berggren accomplished at this point in his career.

 

[lilidk]

You mean 2018 draft pick Berggren > 2023 draft pick Danielson. Kid is exceeding what Berggren accomplished at this point in his career.

I mean 23 years old Berggren was better than 20 years old Danielson , means only don't rush Danielson , he is still not NHL ready, maybe 26-27 season. Haven't seen Lombardi and Mazur this year. Maybe those 2 have chance to move up, depends how they recover. Also didn't see Becher playing yesterday.

 

[newfy]

2023 Berggren> 2024 Danielson

No but I have watched him enough to know he can dominate even when hes not on the score sheet because hes a great possession guy and great defensively. Even if it was just for the gme winner in the shoot out I wuold stand by what I said.

However, if theyre giving a guy first star, its usaully not just because of a shootoutgoal either

 

[lilidk]

No but I have watched him enough to know he can dominate even when hes not on the score sheet because hes a great possession guy and great defensively. Even if it was just for the gme winner in the shoot out I wuold stand by what I said.

However, if theyre giving a guy first star, its usaully not just because of a shootoutgoal either

Didn't watch many games this or last year, but Berggren looked like a AHL superstar , Danielson has potential to be better than Berggren, just don't rush him

 

[cvaicunas]

I mean 23 years old Berggren was better than 20 years old Danielson , means only don't rush Danielson , he is still not NHL ready, maybe 26-27 season. Haven't seen Lombardi and Mazur this year. Maybe those 2 have chance to move up, depends how they recover. Also didn't see Becher playing yesterday.

Personally I'm becoming a little skeptical of Mazur. Weight issues? Plus injuries the last two years. Not a great trend anyways.

 

[lilidk]

Personally I'm becoming a little skeptical of Mazur. Weight issues? Plus injuries the last two years. Not a great trend anyways.

Just like Bert, playing hard

 

[Pavels Dog]

Personally I'm becoming a little skeptical of Mazur. Weight issues? Plus injuries the last two years. Not a great trend anyways.

Getting clipped by a dirty play is only a reason to be skeptical about AHL as a development league.

 

[cvaicunas]

Getting clipped by a dirty play is only a reason to be skeptical about AHL as a development league.

I think I missed what has caused the injury.... Or more likely just forgot

 

[HoweFan]

Nearly two months later he still isn’t back and we have no idea what his injury actually is or when he is coming back. Just vague references to it will be awhile. Do all teams handle injuries like this or is this just Steve’s rules?

Good luck with Texas’s tonight guys

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Bob Kaser just hinted at the hopes of Mazur potentially returning "fairly soon". That would be nice to see him back before the new year

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Wallinder scored tonight. Why I keep seeing a lot of people on this site wanting to trade him is beyond me.

 

[Oddbob]

Wallinder scored tonight. Why I keep seeing a lot of people on this site wanting to trade him is beyond me.

Just from his stats, they aren't very good at all. -5 in 16 games when the Griffs are doing decent is pretty bad. Yes I know stat watching blah blah blah, but usually NHL level players still put up stats that are good in other leagues.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Just from his stats, they aren't very good at all. -5 in 16 games when the Griffs are doing decent is pretty bad. Yes I know stat watching blah blah blah, but usually NHL level players still put up stats that are good in other leagues.

He has 7 points in 16 games in the AHL. Those aren’t bad at all. And if you’re using plus minus as an actual stat worth anything, that’s silly.

 

[Oddbob]

He has 7 points in 16 games in the AHL. Those aren’t bad at all. And if you’re using plus minus as an actual stat worth anything, that’s silly.

Why is plus minus not worth anything? When you have a bad one, there is usually a reason. If he is playing the hardest minutes in the league or something than maybe, but the Griffs are actually getting good goaltending, which means good players should be in the plus department.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Wallinder scored tonight. Why I keep seeing a lot of people on this site wanting to trade him is beyond me.

Personally, I'm not sure I see a guy that possesses quite the level of timing and reading the play that's needed at the NHL level to succeed defensively and not look lost completely out there

From what I see this year though is that he's improving on making reads whilst trying to hone in the physical tools and rush play he was so good at in the SHL. The ice got smaller, and at this point he still seems to be tentative with his decision making. He's naturally still adjusting to making the right plays with and without the puck

He's only 22 though. Raw, rangy 6'4 defensemen that need the kind of refining he does will need lots more time as we know. Next year he should be forcing the Wings hand and if he isn't, he's more/less just an AHL guy long term

Personally I'm more than okay with using Wallinder as a trade piece if that means we bring in a legitimate NHL middle pair D or a top 6 forward

 

[Pavels Dog]

Personally I'm more than okay with using Wallinder as a trade piece if that means we bring in a legitimate NHL middle pair D or a top 6 forward

I'm deathly afraid of trading guys like Wallinder. The tools are fantastic and he displays legitimate upside. Even if it takes him until he's 26 I wouldn't be against giving him the time to figuring it out.

 

[19 for president]

I'm deathly afraid of trading guys like Wallinder. The tools are fantastic and he displays legitimate upside. Even if it takes him until he's 26 I wouldn't be against giving him the time to figuring it out.

I totally understand this feeling, but if it got the Wings a slightly older long term player I wouldn't mind dealing him despite his upside. He could totally turn out to be a semi stud but I don't think he ends up better than Seider or Ed. I think he has potential top 4 potential, but I just don't necessarily see him getting the endless opportunity with the Wings to figure it out until he's 26. He is going to be out of waiver options soon.

At the NHL level he's going to have a hard time getting a PP opportunity on the Wings, as he will be competing with Seider, Ed (hopefully *shakes head*) and likely ASP. He isn't good enough defensively to be relied on in that role, so its going to be really hard for him to get that ice time to really develop. I get the not wanting to give up on the tools guy but I don't think the Wings are the team that will have the runway a guy like him needs. I'd rather use him as an asset before the shine wears off and have him turn into the top 4 elsewhere than wait until he's 24 hasn't gotten proper opportunities and looks like a washout and we get nothing.

There is also the long term money factor. You can only spend so much on D. The Wings have Seider and Ed. Seider is already at 8+mil and Ed will likely be by his next contract. Then you have an absolute offensive dynamo in the wings in ASP. He could be Makar 2.0 or be Ghost 2.0 we don't know yet. Even if he is Ghost 2.0 ie largely a 1 way PP QB putting up 50 pts, he is still going to get paid. Realistically I think a safe bet for ASP would be Hronek upside so I'll put him in at 7 mil on that 2nd contract. That's probably close to 24 mil on 3 guys. I honestly think we need a cheaper defensive dman to pair with Seider long term and ideally someone in that 24-27 age range more than we'd likely need another two way or offensive guy. If Wally becomes that bomber on the PP (again I don't think he'll get the opportunity here) he is probably going to cost more that we can afford long term on defense. Then it becomes a question is it worth spending all this time developing someone you would trade.

It's a lot easier to hide forwards and let them develop at their own pace than dmen, because you simply have so many more spots to fill. Guys need time to develop and I just don't see Wally passing through waivers or getting enough offensive opportunity at the NHL level to fully develop to his max potential.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I totally understand this feeling, but if it got the Wings a slightly older long term player I wouldn't mind dealing him despite his upside. He could totally turn out to be a semi stud but I don't think he ends up better than Seider or Ed. I think he has potential top 4 potential, but I just don't necessarily see him getting the endless opportunity with the Wings to figure it out until he's 26. He is going to be out of waiver options soon.

At the NHL level he's going to have a hard time getting a PP opportunity on the Wings, as he will be competing with Seider, Ed (hopefully *shakes head*) and likely ASP. He isn't good enough defensively to be relied on in that role, so its going to be really hard for him to get that ice time to really develop. I get the not wanting to give up on the tools guy but I don't think the Wings are the team that will have the runway a guy like him needs. I'd rather use him as an asset before the shine wears off and have him turn into the top 4 elsewhere than wait until he's 24 hasn't gotten proper opportunities and looks like a washout and we get nothing.

There is also the long term money factor. You can only spend so much on D. The Wings have Seider and Ed. Seider is already at 8+mil and Ed will likely be by his next contract. Then you have an absolute offensive dynamo in the wings in ASP. He could be Makar 2.0 or be Ghost 2.0 we don't know yet. Even if he is Ghost 2.0 ie largely a 1 way PP QB putting up 50 pts, he is still going to get paid. Realistically I think a safe bet for ASP would be Hronek upside so I'll put him in at 7 mil on that 2nd contract. That's probably close to 24 mil on 3 guys. I honestly think we need a cheaper defensive dman to pair with Seider long term and ideally someone in that 24-27 age range more than we'd likely need another two way or offensive guy. If Wally becomes that bomber on the PP (again I don't think he'll get the opportunity here) he is probably going to cost more that we can afford long term on defense. Then it becomes a question is it worth spending all this time developing someone you would trade.

It's a lot easier to hide forwards and let them develop at their own pace than dmen, because you simply have so many more spots to fill. Guys need time to develop and I just don't see Wally passing through waivers or getting enough offensive opportunity at the NHL level to fully develop to his max potential.

i'm just going to pencil this in for now

edvinsson - dupont
schaefer - seider
cleveland - sandin-pellikka

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