Grade the Avalanche deadline

[agentblack]

Well everyone thought Belesky was gonna get crazy money and he didnt and id put Boeds closer to that situation than say someone like Ladd who probably will get what he wants.

 

[dahrougem2]

Well everyone thought Belesky was gonna get crazy money and he didnt and id put Boeds closer to that situation than say someone like Ladd who probably will get what he wants.

I think Andrew Ladd is in for a rude awakening come free agency

 

[AvsGuy]

There's only really one catch to the acquisition of Boedker for me, and that is that if he plays poorly for the rest of the season, we'll all hate him but at least he'll have no bargaining power towards his presumable ask for money. If he plays well, we'll all love him but he may try and use that as leverage. What do people honestly think he'll sign for? Someone mentioned Beleskey as a comparable - ballpark of $4 million for Boedker for a few years is something I could live with.

 

[henchman21]

If the Avs could get Boedker signed in the 4-4.75m per range... I'd be totally okay with getting him re-signed. Anything more than that, I just don't see reasons to make room to fit Boedker. As I said, I really don't think he is going to be back. I think the Avs are looking at other options first and will only cycle back to Boedker if they know those options are not going to work.

 

[RockLobster]

There's only really one catch to the acquisition of Boedker for me, and that is that if he plays poorly for the rest of the season, we'll all hate him but at least he'll have no bargaining power towards his presumable ask for money. If he plays well, we'll all love him but he may try and use that as leverage. What do people honestly think he'll sign for? Someone mentioned Beleskey as a comparable - ballpark of $4 million for Boedker for a few years is something I could live with.

If the market is anything like it was this past UFA Frenzy, then perhaps he goes between 4.5-4.75M on a 4 or 5 year deal. IF that happens, then I'm thinking the Avs may have a good chance at re-signing him.

 

[agentblack]

haha you gotta like our ambivalence "meh i guess we can sign a top 6 guy at 4.75 and have him and Rants inject some much needed talent into our lineup next year...whatevs im gonna go take a nap zzzzz

 

[Foppa2118]

I think Andrew Ladd is in for a rude awakening come free agency

I think there's a good chance he ends up back in Winnipeg after he sees how crappy the market is this summer for non basement/rebuilding teams.

 

[Iceberg]

Of course there's benefit for player to sign now. What If he gets career ending injury in next game? There's always risk when it comes to sports. If they offer him good contract and he seems to like this team, I have no doubt he would accept it. Why not? Colorado is trending up, he fits the core age.. Looks like pretty good fit to me. Let's see how he works with Duchene/MacK...

If he were concerned about that he would have signed already with the Yotes.

He either wants more money or to have options when he will choose where he will spend the next few years of his life.

 

[agentblack]

He could also just wanted out.
Look id imagine him and his agent couldnt have been that thrilled at the return he got at the TDL, even though from the Avs perspective it was alot, but thats only because we got jack $hit in our cupboards atm so its the end of days if have to trade anything of our own plus we arent contenders. If no other team was willing to pay more than what we gave up id venture a guess many teams arent going to pony up nearly 6 a year for him.
The only way that happens is if he goes nuclear while he's here and that only helps our case for why he should stay put.

 

[cgf]

He could also just wanted out.
Look id imagine him and his agent couldnt have been that thrilled at the return he got at the TDL, even though from the Avs perspective it was alot, but thats only because we got jack $hit in our cupboards atm so its the end of days if have to trade anything of our own plus we arent contenders. If no other team was willing to pay more than what we gave up id venture a guess many teams arent going to pony up nearly 6 a year for him.
The only way that happens is if he goes nuclear while he's here and that only helps our case for why he should stay put.

No one wanted **** to do with Boedker because he's been terrible for the past 20+ games. If he finishes the season on fire while feasting off of MacK or Dutchy; he'll have hype again.

 

[CobraAcesS]

No one wanted **** to do with Boedker because he's been terrible for the past 20+ games. If he finishes the season on fire while feasting off of MacK or Dutchy; he'll have hype again.

This is weak at best, but looking at his past body of work and his game logs from the previous seasons. I really feel like the in season contract negotiations had an effect on him personally.

His game logs are pretty clean (void of huge dry spells like this season), and the production is not bunched up to hard to certain sections of his season. It is heavier towards the beginning and end of the season for him, but not as weighted towards hot stretches and cold stretches as some angry AZ fan(s) have pointed to.

He seems like a less streaky less talented version of Duchene (which one AZ guy already brought up).

Honestly the more I dig into his past production, (not his fancy stats) the more I like him. I also don't mind that he makes his money on the power play, we don't really have someone like that besides for Iginla right now.

 

[cgf]

I wasn't saying it's indicative of his career at large. Just that his game going into the ****ter is why interest for him at this TDL was low; even though the interest will return if he finishes the year well with us.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I wasn't saying it's indicative of his career at large. Just that his game going into the ****ter is why interest for him at this TDL was low; even though the interest will return if he finishes the year well with us.

Yeah agreed, I just wanted to point out that there is some past evidence along with an 'X' factor, that should make us optimistic about him.

There is definitely times we've been about as hard on Duchene as they are with Boedker, but Duchene signed a team friendly deal. Boedker seemed to want out of that team by most accounts.

 

[Ivan13]

This is weak at best, but looking at his past body of work and his game logs from the previous seasons. I really feel like the in season contract negotiations had an effect on him personally.

His game logs are pretty clean (void of huge dry spells like this season), and the production is not bunched up to hard to certain sections of his season. It is heavier towards the beginning and end of the season for him, but not as weighted towards hot stretches and cold stretches as some angry AZ fan(s) have pointed to.

He seems like a less streaky less talented version of Duchene (which one AZ guy already brought up).

Honestly the more I dig into his past production, (not his fancy stats) the more I like him. I also don't mind that he makes his money on the power play, we don't really have someone like that besides for Iginla right now.

He disappeared for long stretches in seasons past, this was not a new occurrence with him.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I'm not one to start devaluating a prospect because he is no longer with the organization. I liked Wood a lot and I still do but you have to give to receive and we did that while retaining our other major assets. Hopefully we can re-sign Boedy for a decent contract if he fits well on our team. My concern with the Boedy acquisition is that I don't think we improve our puck possession which is a very issue with this team. However with the pieces we already have I believe we can still improve in that category by making changes to the system. Too often I see guys dumping the puck or trying a high-risk pass to a player when another is wide open 15-25 feet away. I'm not sure if it is a system issue or a lack of vision by our players but this need to improve.

I'll say it again, as we stand at this moment in building this team, we need to make a serious step towards gaining playoffs experience. This year TDL moves hopefully help us towards that goal.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

A player who has played with absolute crap on his career has had some slumps where he still produced at a near .5ppg rate isn't so bad.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He disappeared for long stretches in seasons past, this was not a new occurrence with him.

I'm not sure I'd count those earlier ones where he is at or near a .5 PPG pace as serious slumps IMO.

We've had ones nearly as bad or worse from players here that we expect more from.

Edit : Especially not when his season's PPG averages for those were .622

 

[Ivan13]

It's not bad, but it also isn't great. And it's not that he just wasn't producing at times, he was a no show.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It's not bad, but it also isn't great. And it's not that he just wasn't producing at times, he was a no show.

I'm just speaking to production, not going to argue with anyone based on anything else. As I personally didn't watch him during those times.

 

[Miri]

It's not bad, but it also isn't great. And it's not that he just wasn't producing at times, he was a no show.

And you know that, cause you watched those Yotes games, or....

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

He disappeared for long stretches in seasons past, this was not a new occurrence with him.

Can you do the same for Duchene, Landeskog, Iginla, ROR etc? I mean everyone has those type of streaks and I dont think Boedker putting up little bit under 0,5 ppg is that bad streak..

 

[Ivan13]

And you know that, cause you watched those Yotes games, or....

I didn't watch a lot obviously, but you can easily follow certain players.

 

[S E P H]

It's not bad, but it also isn't great. And it's not that he just wasn't producing at times, he was a no show.

You keep whining about this, but not at one single point of your posts you don't mention the players he plays(ed) with. Your argument is more blinders mode than anything. Boedker in no way should be relied on for one of the main offensive catalysts on a club, which he was in Glendale. He is a complementary piece for the top 6 and that is what he's going to be with on the Avs. In a sense he's like Parenteau, PAP might suck everywhere else, but he did produce offensively for the Avs (no mistake about that). Arizona played him so much on the powerplay not because they wanted to boost his trade value (that's dumb by XX), they played him that much because they literally had NOBODY else to play there. Even with Domi and Duclair having good first seasons, they aren't impactful players yet, likewise with Reider.

His powerplay points will go down, no mistaking it because he won't have that much PP time here, but to think his 5v5 points are going to stay the same is a dumb argument. That Arizona club was overachieving throughout the year. It was a matter of time before they showed their true colours like they have in the last 7 or so games, in a way it made Boedker dry too. I mean he was posting 51 point potential the last three seasons, while posting 70ish this year. Those 51 seasons was with the freakin' Coyotes where OEL lead them in points. That is how bad Mikkel's offensive support was in terms of teammates, this season the team gets Domi and Duclair and he posts 70 points pace for the a little more than half of a season. Don't forget he was also in Tippets system as well. I understand your viewpoint when it comes to thinking Boedker isn't a 5.5 million dollar player, but I don't understand why we can't have some optimism that he can produce here, he will have the system and players to do so. If he continues to suck, then I will allow you to gloat to me all you want.

 

[CobraAcesS]

And you know that, cause you watched those Yotes games, or....

I didn't watch a lot obviously, but you can easily follow certain players.

Yeah I'm not going to completely discount what some AZ fans have said about him, as we've said the same things about Duchene, Landeskog and MacKinnon in certain stretches. They also have no reason to maintain any positive bias towards him after it being clear he wanted out of the organization.

He definitely has an 'Approach with caution' sign around his neck when looking at his whole game.

Ivan, we also should know full well not to trust advanced stats fully on the positive or negative side of things as well. If that's what you mean by following a player.

Edit : I think some of these advanced stats are plus/minus on steroids personally. Useful at a glance, but use caution when evaluating a player with them.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I haven't watched a lot of AZ games since Christmas which is kinda fitting for me as a Boedker homer since that's when he went downhill but he was absolutely terrific from October to December. The few games I've seen since Christmas he seemed to sort of go through the motions but at least those motions were still tremendously quick.