Value of: Goalie to Carolina

[Chan790]

I don't think we use our Dmen to upgrade our goalie situation. I see them using draft picks for that. We will use one of our D, probably Pesce, to trade for a forward.

See, due to the shorter quality on the RHD side, I think it's definitely one or more of the LHD (Hanifin, Slavin, Fleury, Bean...) that I see getting moved. We have LHD to spare.

Moving Pesce, even with McKeown in the wings and the hopes that Murphy will pan out, leaves a hole in the roster.

 

[Opak]

I was thinking of a goalie swap between Anaheim and Carolina. Given the Ducks' situation, it'd probably have to include a retention from Carolina in exchange for a draft pick.

2

Eddie Lack (with retention)




Jonathan Bernier
2017 draft pick


If Carolina retains $750k (27%), Ducks give up a 2017 5th. Anaheim gains $2.15 million cap space, but the real dollars are basically a wash (+ $150k for Carolina). Carolina upgrades in goal, pick is just a sweetener.

If Carolina retains $1.375 million (50%), Ducks give up a 2017 3rd. More cap space for Anaheim, also helps in dealing with the 2nd year of Lack's contract. Carolina gets a better pick and a goalie upgrade for their troubles.


EDIT:

If Carolina gets Bernier, they could make this a three-way deal by sending him (with a +) to Pittsburgh in exchange for MAF. Pens get a serviceable rental to back up Murray with no long-term cap implications, Carolina gets their starting goalie.

 

[Unsustainable]

See I would think Slavin and Hanifin are more untouchable than Pesce. Slavin is by far the more untouchable of the 3, but I've Hanifin ahead of Pesce in that department. I think the org is more in on Hanifin than Pesce.

Hanifin probably has the higher ceiling of Slavin. I really think he gets there.

Our RHD is weak with out Pesce. In trade Hanifin probably has the most value, then Pesce.

I wouldn't move any of our D for a goalie though (except Murphy lol).

MAF or Bernie would be the ideal targets, they need cap relief and have starters behind them.

 

[Brock Anton]

See, due to the shorter quality on the RHD side, I think it's definitely one or more of the LHD (Hanifin, Slavin, Fleury, Bean...) that I see getting moved. We have LHD to spare.

Moving Pesce, even with McKeown in the wings and the hopes that Murphy will pan out, leaves a hole in the roster.

Yeah, but Slavin proved last year that he can play just as well on the right. Also, Bean played on the right for Calgary in the WHL last year. It's not that big of a problem IMO. I like Pesce a lot too. But if/when we trade a defenseman for a forward, it's almost certainly going to be Pesce.

 

[NotOpie]

Let me make it easy.
I am too swamped this very second, so will send later, but
in short wanted to do something like

McDonagh + Zuc + Pirri + Ranger 2017 1st
for
Hanifin, Pesce, Murphy, Bickel and 2 more cap dumps

as that relates to this thread, would be happy to, in lieu of expanding an already full size deal, throw you a bone:
Raanta 1m x 2
AND Halverson, one of our best G prospects, well regarded

for a 7th and min cap dump head count exchange

this is of course, as a sweetener to the above

No, no....let me make it easy for you....we are not trading our young, excellent defensive core. We don't need to make cap dumps as we have the lowest cap hit in the league.

I've like Raanta and really like Halverson, but if we make a move for goalie, we're doing it to salvage our long shot at the playoffs. That means we need somebody who can be league average between the pipes today. That might be Raanta, but there's a bit of the "devil you know" quality to that deal.

I just don't see any of that happening.

Greiss or Halak, I could see, but given it is in division, that's a long shot as well.

Yeah, but Slavin proved last year that he can play just as well on the right. Also, Bean played on the right for Calgary in the WHL last year. It's not that big of a problem IMO. I like Pesce a lot too. But if/when we trade a defenseman for a forward, it's almost certainly going to be Pesce.

I disagree on the Pesce comment. He's playing even better this season, but no matter, RF isn't weakening our back end just yet....especially not for a goalie. Whomever said our currency for a goalie was picks is closest to the truth.

 

[Brock Anton]

I disagree on the Pesce comment. He's playing even better this season, but no matter, RF isn't weakening our back end just yet....especially not for a goalie. Whomever said our currency for a goalie was picks is closest to the truth.

Yes, he's playing better, which makes him even more attractive for other teams in a trade. Again, I like Pesce, but he's the obvious trade candidate whenever we decide to trade a D for an F. Great player, but he simply doesn't have the upside that Hanifin and Slavin have and as of now, Fleury isn't going to get us the forward we want in a trade as he still an unknown, neither are McKeown or Bean.

 

[go4hockey]

Then how about Faulk and Ward

Why would a rebuilding team trade anything of value for a goalie that age? Makes no sense.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Let me make it easy.
I am too swamped this very second, so will send later, but
in short wanted to do something like

McDonagh + Zuc + Pirri + Ranger 2017 1st
for
Hanifin, Pesce, Murphy, Bickel and 2 more cap dumps

as that relates to this thread, would be happy to, in lieu of expanding an already full size deal, throw you a bone:
Raanta 1m x 2
AND Halverson, one of our best G prospects, well regarded

for a 7th and min cap dump head count exchange

this is of course, as a sweetener to the above

Ah, a "bernmeister special" where he makes it "easy" by including 9+ players and yet doesn't even solve the problem of getting a better goalie to Carolina.

I liked it better before the season when you were only including Murphy in your proposals. You then migrated to Pesce. And now, it's Hanifin, Pesce and Murphy. Can't wait til Mid season when it's Hanifin, Pesce, Slavin and Murphy.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, goaltending's certainly holding Carolina back. Got to think they will be looking for a goalie next summer.

 

[tarheelhockey]

McDonagh + Zuc + Pirri + Ranger 2017 1st
for
Hanifin, Pesce, Murphy, Bickel and 2 more cap dumps

So... what exactly is this supposed to do for Carolina? Gut our defense, make us much older, add a couple of middle-of-the-road forwards, and give us a 1st so we can start all over with the rebuild?

Honestly I don't see a single reason that the Hurricanes would even consider this.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

So... what exactly is this supposed to do for Carolina? Gut our defense, make us much older, add a couple of middle-of-the-road forwards, and give us a 1st so we can start all over with the rebuild?

Honestly I don't see a single reason that the Hurricanes would even consider this.

In a thread about acquiring a goalie.

 

[Riptide]

Hanifin probably has the higher ceiling of Slavin. I really think he gets there.

Our RHD is weak with out Pesce. In trade Hanifin probably has the most value, then Pesce.

I wouldn't move any of our D for a goalie though (except Murphy lol).

MAF or Bernie would be the ideal targets, they need cap relief and have starters behind them.

Anaheim probably cares about the salary aspect more than Carolina does. JB makes 4.1m this season, while Lack makes 2.5/3m over the next 2 seasons. This year anyway they'd save 1m or so (some of the salary has already been paid which eats away at the 1.5m difference).

PIT on the other hand likely doesn't care all that much about the salary, but will care about the cap hits, and about having a very good back up for Murray this season and a decent backup beyond this season.

It's one of the reasons I could see something along the lines of Lack/Ward+ for MAF. Value wise most agree that the + shouldn't have to be all that much... a 2nd sounds about right. However I'm not sure Rutherford would move MAF (or whether CAR is on his NTC), unless CAR was adding something to make it worth it to PIT to downgrade their goaltending this season (and I don't think a 2nd would do it). Yes we're all aware of their situation and the different options they have to deal with the expansion draft... but that doesn't change the fact that they're the defending champs who lost no one of significance this summer, and are not likely looking to do CAR any favors this early in the game. Come June, things will likely be a lot different for Rutherford.

Personally, I'd move MAF in a heartbeat if we were getting someone back like Lack or Ward who, even if not a great goalie, is one good enough to play at this level.

 

[The Old Master]

I think you already have your goalie for your future. all you need is a goalie for a few years till he's ready. the best out there are maf and bishop. if your looking at a one and done ...bishop is your guy. (he could be very expensive to resign. imo) or if you want a goalie for 2-3 yr.'s. your looking at maf.