Value of: Goalie to Carolina

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why did they bother w ward again ? . Trade lack for Howard retained

Howard at $3.3 million for 3 years For Lack at $2.75 million for 2 years. I would definitely consider this. Though i think that Coreau will be the backup next year behind Mrazek when we enter our new Arena.

 

[MinJaBen]

CAR can have Halak.
Isles wouldn't need any return. Salary relief should be enough.
Halak was good in the wcoh.
Fleury just crapped his pants and why help PIT, they should buy him out and keep his cap hit.

What is his salary and term remaining?

 

[whitstifier]

Any interest in Mason or Neuvirth for Lack+?

 

[Bleedred]

Howard still has value, and his recent play (1GA in 2 starts) shows that. And don't be lost to the idea that a lot of Howard's "ability" is also tied very heavily to the D-corps that's in front of him. After Detroit lost Lidstrom, Howard's "consistency" started to wane and when that happened, so did his confidence. He has shown that he can carry a team for stretches at a time, but a team will need a solid backup to make their job easier as he simply can't play a heavy load for a season.

Not going to argue at all that Carolina, even with all its depth at defence, is probably not a good fit for Howard. And depending on what happens with Fleury, I think he is all but taken by Las Vegas as their starting goaltender. If his cap hit were more reasonable, he would have been gone over the summer probably. Bad contract at a bad time for Holland, which is his M.O. of the past 5+ years.

Ummm, Howard has been bad for 3 years now. A hot 2 game start to the season means nothing to me. Pavelec, Ward, Lehtonen and whoever else who has sucked for years has probably also played a hot 3-5 games for stretches. And the D-corps in front of him? Let's not even blame the D for Howard being awful for 3 years. Unless you also believe that Mrazek is such a freak and superhuman, that he can put up a .920 behind that same D-corps last year.

I think the problem with the goaltending in Carolina is the goaltending coach and not the goaltenders.

Lack was solid as a rock here in Van.

Maybe with Lack I could understand this, not with Ward. Lack was only in the league for two years before coming to Carolina, I could see a new goalie coach messing him up. But Ward was already in the league for 7 years before he started his awful plunge.

I think Ward just got cooked early, due to so many games played early in his career (Rutherfool signing cheap and sometimes non-NHL caliber backups when he was still good and a workhorse, forcing him to play more) and injuries. Ward is finished, Lack could possibly still be salvaged.

With Pavelec now gone and out of the league and Hiller as well, there needs to be a new worst starting goaltender in the league and that is now Ward. I could understand an argument for Lehtonen though.

 

[LordNeverLose]

What is his salary and term remaining?

This year and next at $4.5M

I'd happily trade him for a 2nd, probably would even take a 3rd

 

[AD Skinner]

If halak were really available for that price I'd have to think Carolina would be interested. They have the cap space, though they'd have to figure out something to do with Ward/lack. Is it his contract or his play that has isles fans wanting rid of him?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

LA's current #1 goalie is available

we have a logjam in that department

 

[Tripod]

Hold up it wasn't us Canes fans that all stared "Ward had a good second half", it was our GM Rob Francis that initially stated that comment.

Let's not pretend that a Canes fans were not talking this up when Ward got re-signed:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2090943&page=6

Originally Posted by OrioleWay
Because Ward was good in the second half and is still better goalie than Lack. They aren't going overpay for goalie.

It's not ideal but Ward is not the problem for Canes. I prefer Ward and top forward than trading for another average goalie and sign bottom six forward.

"I'm also weary of a Ward/Lack tandem, but I don't see another move. I don't think they sign Ward at this salary to be a back-up. That said, if Ward plays like he played from Mid Dec, on (30 game stretch) and/or if Lack regains the form he had in Vancouver, this team could compete. Ward from mid dec on: 30GP, 0.920 SV%, 2.23 GAA."

And here is what I wrote on June 16th after the signing:

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Ward being good in the 2nd half is a myth.

Jan .925 SV% played 5 games
Feb .914 SV% played 10 games
Mar .914 SV% played 8 games
Apr .925 SV% played 2 games

He had a good Jan and April....7 games total. The other months, he was well below average. And the Oct-Dec stats are much worse.

Glad they kept him. He makes them worse.

He has not finished in the top 34 in SV% in any of the last 4 years. NONE.

 

[CanesCupWin]

@Tripod No one was talking this up. Step off your high horse .

Wouldn't mind seeing a deal for either Fleury or Halak.... I don't care which of our goaltenders gets the boot at this point.

 

[drw02]

Sorry guys, a little off topic here. I was under the impression that DET needed to shed cap? I read somewhere that with Franzen on LTIR you guys are still over cap, but since Kronwall is now out, you're under the cap.

Based on that, would you not have to trade a player that's good (or one Holland thinks is good) once Kronwall comes back? Nyquist, Howard, Helm, Abdelkader, Kronwall, Ericsson?

I guess what I'm getting at is... would they really be content to trade another good player (or a player Holland thinks is good) just to keep Howard? Doesn't seem like good cap management for a team in the playoff hunt.

Kronwall is on short term IR so he's still counted toward the cap right now. Detroit doesn't need to make any moves yet, but will have to figure something out with Jurco when he's ready to go in a month or so. Likely they'll have to put him on waivers unless someone else gets injured creating a spot for him.

 

[SEALBound]

Ward+Aho for MAF+Sprong

 

[tarheelhockey]

Let's not pretend that a Canes fans were not talking this up when Ward got re-signed:

The posts you quoted were nuanced -- they explicitly stated (and any Canes fan would agree) that Ward is not the ideal starter. It's not like anyone was boosting him as a great option in net.

That said, a goalie who posts a .914 in any given month and posts a .920 over a longer period is not the problem for his team. If Ward were playing that way he would be winning games. There's nothing wrong with the posts that said so.

 

[Chan790]

Ward+Aho for MAF+Sprong

Wasn't interesting the first couple times it was offered. Not moving Aho in a Fleury deal and not really thinking Sprong is what the Canes need. (Not with Aho going the other way.)

Personally, my ceiling on what I'd add to Ward to get Fleury is NYR's 2nd, expected to be a late 2nd. Sprong is not the difference in value between a late 2nd and Aho.

 

[Coach Parker]

How about a prospect for a prospect idea?

Boston has Subban and McIntyre developing strongly in the AHL and Rask seems to be going nowhere.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Goalie upgrade...
- Jimmy Howard
- Ben Bishop (UFA)
- Jaroslav Halak
- Steve Mason (UFA) - PHI won't trade?
- Michal Neuvirth (UFA)
- Marc-Andre Fleury
- Antti Niemi
- Jonathan Bernier (UFA)
- Ryan Miller (UFA) - won't waive NTC?

Not necessarily an upgrade...
- Reto Berra (UFA)
- Kari Lehtonen
- Darcy Kuemper (UFA)
- Ondrej Pavelec (UFA)

Trading Partners
From the Atlantic - DET TBL
Inter-divisional trade - NYI PHI PIT
From out West - ANA DAL (VAN)

 

[lanceuppercut75]

How about a prospect for a prospect idea?

Boston has Subban and McIntyre developing strongly in the AHL and Rask seems to be going nowhere.

I've read that the Hurricanes organization is very high on Alex Nedelkjovic as their future goalie.

They could still pick up another prospect, but it seems to me more likely that they'll use lesser assets to grab an NHL goalie stopgap while Nedelkjovic develops.

Depending on the price though, it moght be smart to acquire Bishop or Fleury. Who knows.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

i would definitely move a 2nd for halak

 

[Claypool]

If you want Howard you're going to have to take the whole contract. I doubt Red Wings want to retain considering they're still paying Weiss.

 

[airbus220]

If halak were really available for that price I'd have to think Carolina would be interested. They have the cap space, though they'd have to figure out something to do with Ward/lack. Is it his contract or his play that has isles fans wanting rid of him?

If Halak had a 1M - 1.5M contract everybody would keep him. He was injured in preseason last year and Isles lost Poulin to waivers, so they claimed Berube to backup Greiss and kept Berube since then. So Isles pay Halak and as his insurance Berube too and that's not needed. Halak's salary could be invested elsewhere since they have Greiss and Berube. There are still ??? about Berube but if 4.5M could be spend on another forward a downgrade from Halak to Berube would be fine.

 

[go comets]

Re-signing Ward was such a dumb move. He has been bad for years, yet they sign him to a 2 year deal.

Canes fans tried to defend the deal based in how Ward ended last season. They had a chance to upgrade goaltending in the summer, and didn't. Not sure what they expected.

At least there are some teams looking to move some goalies...but now they have to waste more assets AND spend 3+ million on Ward.

Actually it was a good move. The canes can expose him in the expansion draft.

If I'm the canes , I run with what they have now. This team is full of young talent, and a lottery pick stud forward would be an awesome addition.

Plus the canes can trade for a goalie for cheap just before the expansion draft!!!!!

This is all about acquiring players cheaply and stockpiling draft picks this season, this team will be set for the next ten seasons!!!!

 

[slg1963]

How about Lundqvist for Hanafin and Ward ?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

How about Lundqvist for Hanafin and Ward ?

We're not going to trade Hanifin for a 34 year old goalie.

 

[slg1963]

We're not going to trade Hanifin for a 34 year old goalie.

Then how about Faulk and Ward

 

[go comets]

Then how about Faulk and Ward

Umm no, the canes have no reason to trade for a 34 year old goalie.

 

[Chan790]

Umm no, the canes have no reason to trade for a 34 year old goalie.

I'm not sure I'd go that far...he'd be a hell of a stopgap to hold the job until Nedeljkovic or possibly Booth or Altschuller steps-up...but we don't really have the deal-centerpiece we'd be willing to offer to get him:

A veteran top-6 F or top-4 D. (You're not getting a young elite-quality player for King Henrik; no matter how good he still is, that ship has sailed because of his age.)...probably on top of a B-quality spec and their 2nd back.