Pre-Game Talk: GM07 | Vancouver Canucks vs Pittsburgh Penguins | Sat. Oct 26th | 7pm PST | HNIC | Kevin Corsby

[CanucksSayEh]

The rewriting of history in here is insane.

JT put up a top 10 scoring season, on a bottom 10 scoring team, outscoring his wingers combined. The largest gap over his closest teammate in the league.

EP has been demoted and moved to the wing for long stretches, by 3 straight coaches.

 

[Ernie]

The rewriting of history in here is insane.

JT put up a top 10 scoring season, on a bottom 10 scoring team, outscoring his wingers combined. The largest gap over his closest teammate in the league.

EP has been demoted and moved to the wing for long stretches, by 3 straight coaches.

What now? JT Miller played on Pettersson's wing, so much so that many people thought he wasn't really a center at times. It was called the 6-40-9 line. He did take the majority of faceoffs though. When did Pettersson ever play on the wing except for a handful of games last season?

You really need to back these numbers up with something, anything. It seems like you're just pulling things out of your ass.

 

[ManVanFan]

What have I missed while my 5 month old just slept on me for 5 hours.

 

[MS]

What now? JT Miller played on Pettersson's wing, so much so that many people thought he wasn't really a center at times. It was called the 6-40-9 line. He did take the majority of faceoffs though. When did Pettersson ever play on the wing except for a handful of games last season?

You really need to back these numbers up with something, anything. It seems like you're just pulling things out of your ass.

I feel like Miller always played C with Pettersson but literally everyone was too attached to Pettersson being a young superstar C to notice.

Certainly whenever those guys have been reunited post-bubble (which has been a fair bit) Miller is the guy both taking faceoffs and handling the C defensive responsibilities.

 

[Ernie]

I feel like Miller always played C with Pettersson but literally everyone was too attached to Pettersson being a young superstar C to notice.

Certainly whenever those guys have been reunited post-bubble (which has been a fair bit) Miller is the guy both taking faceoffs and handling the C defensive responsibilities.

Up until this past season, JT was never known for his 200ft game. It has been taken as a major Tocchet success that he got JT to buy in. He's been good as the winger as it works to his strengths at puck retrievals and strong boards play.

Pettersson has always had solid two way numbers at center, extremely rare to see him miss an assignment. And yes, they've played a ton together, as Horvat was holding down that 2C spot until early 2023.

 

[MS]

Up until this past season, JT was never known for his 200ft game. It has been taken as a major Tocchet success that he got JT to buy in. He's been good as the winger as it works to his strengths at puck retrievals and strong boards play.

Pettersson has always had solid two way numbers at center, extremely rare to see him miss an assignment. And yes, they've played a ton together, as Horvat was holding down that 2C spot until early 2023.

All this doesn't change who is actually playing C and since 2020 when I started really watching for this whenever the Lotto Line is together (which is probably 100 games) Miller is the guy playing C.

And knowing that, I question whether Pettersson was actually playing C in 19-20, given that Miller was taking all the face-offs.

 

[arttk]

I was speaking more about their individual skill levels…Miller has less skill than EP but does more with what he has than Petey.

He’s always had Boeser as a constant pretty much but he’s also had PDG and Suter, not exactly high end talent.

Miller has the body though, that bod

All this doesn't change who is actually playing C and since 2020 when I started really watching for this whenever the Lotto Line is together (which is probably 100 games) Miller is the guy playing C.

And knowing that, I question whether Pettersson was actually playing C in 19-20, given that Miller was taking all the face-offs.

Miller was like the winger taking the draws, I mean it’s not that uncommon to have winger take draws.
Until last season, people were still debating if Miller is better as a winger or a center.

 

[MS]

Miller has the body though, that bod


Miller was like the winger taking the draws, I mean it’s not that uncommon to have winger take draws.

Except, again, Miller has blatantly *NOT* been the 'winger taking the draws' in the 100-ish games that line has played together post-2020. He is the C, full stop.

 

[arttk]

Except, again, Miller has blatantly *NOT* been the 'winger taking the draws' in the 100-ish games that line has played together post-2020. He is the C, full stop.

I thought him moving to center happened like around BB. f*** I have no memories about the Covid season

 

[MS]

I thought him moving to center happened like around BB. f*** I have no memories about the Covid season

He was the C in the COVID season, which is when I started watching for it.

It's really weird in retrospect, but there was absolutely *zero* discussion in 19-20 of the Miller/Pettersson 'who is the C' thing or the faceoffs situation. Pettersson was the Calder-winning 1C and Miller was a winger we traded for and anything to the contrary wasn't even discussed despite what was happening on faceoffs.

I'm not saying Pettersson wasn't playing C that year but based on what we've seen since ... I have my doubts?

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Split the DeBrusk-Miller-Boeser line up.

They all play the same style, it’s why Suter-Miller-Boeser was so effective last year, a small quick skilled winger gave them a different dimension. But the Hoglander-Pettersson-Garland line has looked good without DeBrusk so not sure where to slot him. But the Miller-Boeser line looks worse with DeBrusk on it instead of Suter/Hoglander/Heinen.

 

[bobbyb2009]

I guess you can never underestimate a team with guys like Crosby, Malkin and Letang still in the lineup.

But coming off a late game in Edmonton on Friday; they could be running on fumes by the time they hit the ice Saturday at the Rog. Canucks need to get on them early.

Brock Boeser always seems to feast on the Pens. Time is right for that slumbering PP to come to life. And Brock is on a heater to start the season.

I heard this is all just him being lucky... or something to that effect

 

[arttk]

He was the C in the COVID season, which is when I started watching for it.

It's really weird in retrospect, but there was absolutely *zero* discussion in 19-20 of the Miller/Pettersson 'who is the C' thing or the faceoffs situation. Pettersson was the Calder-winning 1C and Miller was a winger we traded for and anything to the contrary wasn't even discussed despite what was happening on faceoffs.

I'm not saying Pettersson wasn't playing C that year but based on what we've seen since ... I have my doubts?

I mean Petey was basically injured that season, he was gone for the majority of it and we only had Miller and Bo left.

 

[MS]

I mean Petey was basically injured that season, he was gone for the majority of it and we only had Miller and Bo left.

I'm talking about when they were playing together before Pettersson hurt his wrist mid-season.

Both guys were playing terribly - Miller in spaz mode and Pettersson in checked-out mode - but Miller looked like the guy doing the C stuff.

 

[arttk]

I'm talking about when they were playing together before Pettersson hurt his wrist mid-season.

I think Petey was a center then because he was the center the season prior.

 

[MS]

I think Petey was a center then because he was the center the season prior.

I don't think he was, and I don't think anyone actually really examined it too closely the previous year.

 

[arttk]

I don't think he was, and I don't think anyone actually really examined it too closely the previous year.

I mean it’s Green, green doesn’t change shit until he is forced to.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Pettersson was actually moving and rotating on the PPs vs. Chicago and not surprisingly was instantly getting a lot more touches and the PP looked heaps more dangerous.

which is why im convinced it was by designed to have JT runs the play

There's no way EP just realized it recently that he can rotates on the PP

 

[David71]

Joshua - Miller - Sherwood should be looked at at some point to piss off opposing teams top players that be fun to watch example: against mcdavid/draistial.

 

[Ernie]

I don't think he was, and I don't think anyone actually really examined it too closely the previous year.

Miller started the 2021 season as a winger to Horvat here:

GDT: - GM 5 | Vancouver Canucks vs Montreal Canadiens | 7:00PM PST | SPAC

Subject says it all. Game ONE of THREE in a row against this team. Who knows the lineup, heres idea Pearson Pettersson Virtanen Miller Horvat Eriksson Beagle Gaudette Boeser Hogg Sutter Motte Edler Hughes Schmidt Harmonic Myers Rathbone Holtko Demlby

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MIller listed as a winger to Pettersson midway through the 2021 season here (before Pettersson was injured): GDT: - GM 20 | Vancouver Canucks @ Calgary Flames | 7:00PM PST | SPAC

After Pettersson was injured did Miller switch to center.

Miller listed as winger to Pettersson to start the 2021/22 season here:

GDT: - GM 1 | Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton Oilers | 7:00PM PST | Sportsnet

WHEN: October 13th, 7:00 PM PST WHERE: Rogers Place, Edmonton, AB TV: Sportsnet RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Vancouver Canucks’ Starting Lineup (unconfirmed): Miller - Pettersson - Chiasson Pearson - Horvat - Garland Highmore - Dickinson - Hoglander Dowling - Lammikko - Podkolzin Ekman-Larsson -...

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Still Petterson's winger here on Nov 17:

GDT: - Vancouver Canucks vs. Colorado Avalanche | Nov 17 | 6:00PM PST | SNET

There’s a game tomorrow. I’m nervous. I’m just going to ask, everyone be nice to each other. It’s a rough time to be a Canucks fan - but if someone wants to cheer for the team tomorrow, please let them without ridicule. If someone feels the team is best served by losing, just respect that...

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As center on a line with Boeser in December, that stayed for most of the season:

GDT: - Game #30 Canucks host Jackets 7pm PT - Confirmation of Game Going Ahead TBA @ 6pm PT

LWCRW JASON DICKINSON BO HORVAT NILS HOGLANDER TANNER PEARSON J.T. MILLER BROCK BOESER VASILY PODKOLZIN ELIAS PETTERSSON CONOR GARLAND TYLER MOTTE JUHO LAMMIKKO ALEX CHIASSON DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS QUINN HUGHES LUKE SCHENN TUCKER POOLMAN TYLER MYERS BRAD HUNT KYLE BURROUGHS GOALIES THATCHER...

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Miller, Horvat, Pettersson all at C to start the 2022/23 season:

Post-Game Talk: - [GM 2] Vancouver Canucks @ Philadelphia Flyers | 2-3 (Burroughs, Garland)

WHEN: October 15th, 1:00PM PST WHERE: Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA TV: Sportsnet Pacific RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Vancouver Canucks’ Starting Lineup: Pearson - Miller - Boeser Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Hoglander Garland - Horvat - Podkolzin Joshua - Aman - Lazar Hughes - Schenn...

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Game 18 Miller is listed as a winger to Horvat:

Post-Game Talk: - [GM 16] Canucks lose to Bruins | 2-5 | Miller & Dries

WHEN: November 13th, 3:00PM PST WHERE: TD Garden, Boston, MASS. TV: Sportsnet Pacific RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Canucks Line-Up: Garland-Horvat-Miller Mikheyev-Pettersson-Boeser Podkolzin-Dries-Höglander Joshua-Åman-Studnicka OEL-Bear Hughes-Schenn Burroughs-Myers Demko Bruins Line-Up...

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Miller was a winger often than not before Horvat was traded.

 

[LordBacon]

Petey wouldn't even get Jack straight up, let alone Jack and Luke.

That’s the joke

 

[MS]

Miller started the 2021 season as a winger to Horvat here:

GDT: - GM 5 | Vancouver Canucks vs Montreal Canadiens | 7:00PM PST | SPAC

Subject says it all. Game ONE of THREE in a row against this team. Who knows the lineup, heres idea Pearson Pettersson Virtanen Miller Horvat Eriksson Beagle Gaudette Boeser Hogg Sutter Motte Edler Hughes Schmidt Harmonic Myers Rathbone Holtko Demlby

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MIller listed as a winger to Pettersson midway through the 2021 season here (before Pettersson was injured): GDT: - GM 20 | Vancouver Canucks @ Calgary Flames | 7:00PM PST | SPAC

After Pettersson was injured did Miller switch to center.

Miller listed as winger to Pettersson to start the 2021/22 season here:

GDT: - GM 1 | Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton Oilers | 7:00PM PST | Sportsnet

WHEN: October 13th, 7:00 PM PST WHERE: Rogers Place, Edmonton, AB TV: Sportsnet RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Vancouver Canucks’ Starting Lineup (unconfirmed): Miller - Pettersson - Chiasson Pearson - Horvat - Garland Highmore - Dickinson - Hoglander Dowling - Lammikko - Podkolzin Ekman-Larsson -...

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Still Petterson's winger here on Nov 17:

GDT: - Vancouver Canucks vs. Colorado Avalanche | Nov 17 | 6:00PM PST | SNET

There’s a game tomorrow. I’m nervous. I’m just going to ask, everyone be nice to each other. It’s a rough time to be a Canucks fan - but if someone wants to cheer for the team tomorrow, please let them without ridicule. If someone feels the team is best served by losing, just respect that...

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As center on a line with Boeser in December, that stayed for most of the season:

GDT: - Game #30 Canucks host Jackets 7pm PT - Confirmation of Game Going Ahead TBA @ 6pm PT

LWCRW JASON DICKINSON BO HORVAT NILS HOGLANDER TANNER PEARSON J.T. MILLER BROCK BOESER VASILY PODKOLZIN ELIAS PETTERSSON CONOR GARLAND TYLER MOTTE JUHO LAMMIKKO ALEX CHIASSON DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS QUINN HUGHES LUKE SCHENN TUCKER POOLMAN TYLER MYERS BRAD HUNT KYLE BURROUGHS GOALIES THATCHER...

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Miller, Horvat, Pettersson all at C to start the 2022/23 season:

Post-Game Talk: - [GM 2] Vancouver Canucks @ Philadelphia Flyers | 2-3 (Burroughs, Garland)

WHEN: October 15th, 1:00PM PST WHERE: Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA TV: Sportsnet Pacific RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Vancouver Canucks’ Starting Lineup: Pearson - Miller - Boeser Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Hoglander Garland - Horvat - Podkolzin Joshua - Aman - Lazar Hughes - Schenn...

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Game 18 Miller is listed as a winger to Horvat:

Post-Game Talk: - [GM 16] Canucks lose to Bruins | 2-5 | Miller & Dries

WHEN: November 13th, 3:00PM PST WHERE: TD Garden, Boston, MASS. TV: Sportsnet Pacific RADIO: Sportsnet 650 Canucks Line-Up: Garland-Horvat-Miller Mikheyev-Pettersson-Boeser Podkolzin-Dries-Höglander Joshua-Åman-Studnicka OEL-Bear Hughes-Schenn Burroughs-Myers Demko Bruins Line-Up...

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Miller was a winger often than not before Horvat was traded.

I’m well aware of how they were listed (my whole point is that it was listed incorrectly) but it’s been blatantly obvious for years that Miller was the C when playing with Pettersson.

 

[LordBacon]

Hi,
Im sorry it comes off as hate. That is not my intention.

I only use my experience in my professional career to come to conclusions. I manage 40+ staff and many are managers, supervisors and 3 VP"s.

Wage expectations and internal budgets also come with performance expectations. I am just wired this way.

With a salary cap so many of your players have to meet or exceed expectations. I like him as a player, but to me he is a complimentary players more often than the 11.6M dollar he is being paid to be.

If he was paid 8M id be silent, but that extra 3.6 comes with a LOT of expectations.

Honestly, I can understand as I’m heavily involved in tendering, construction budget control and planning.

But I seem to recall that you were calling him out way before his extension.

Cheers.

 

[Ernie]

I’m well aware of how they were listed (my whole point is that it was listed incorrectly) but it’s been blatantly obvious for years that Miller was the C when playing with Pettersson.

Where is this coming from? Your own recollection?

Why would they list Pettersson as the C if Miller was taking draws AND playing the position as well? Did Miller also play C when he was with Horvat?

This smells like something you thought up just today but I'd love to see something that says otherwise. Even one of your own write-ups would suffice, surely you would have noticed and made mention?

 

[FuzzyTitus]

... barring something absolutely insane you're never going to see an NHL team not give a new signing 10-20 games to get settled before they get dropped.

I thought the Avalanche literally did this with Brannstrom by the end of preseason?