Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[SensontheRush]

Fyoussss

Time to nab Laine or Boeser, but I'd prefer Laine.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Looking at performance over small timeframes and cherry picking positive statistics is what got us here in the first place. If the team take 2 months of whatever White brings when he is back and the best 10 games Murray plays and extrapolates that to them being worth their contracts instead of buying them out ... we get what we deserve in 2022/3.

I need no convincing. I would send him packing this summer unless this keeps up the rest of the season. Was more thinking that the last week or two probably has management off that train of thought atm even though it was starting to look like a guarantee.

 

[GCK]

uh? we are in good shape cap wise to spend right now even with all the terrible contracts that Dorion has given

Cap wise we are good but cash wise I think we are pooched. With internal salary growth I don’t know how we add without sending out equal money. 2+ years of crushed revenues is a killer for this team.

 

[GCK]

Time to nab Laine or Boeser, but I'd prefer Laine.

Laine is just a “name” at this point. Can’t believe what has happened to him.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I'm absolutely terrified if this is the correct interpretation. Don't give Dorion tools and ideas to F this up. We are better when our GM does nothing. Letting parity do its thing naturally is better. Different story of course with a competent and properly staffed front office.

Who the f*** is Derek Lee?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Laine is just a “name” at this point. Can’t believe what has happened to him.

He's got 21 points in 24 games playing without a #1 center.

 

[DrEasy]

Who the f*** is Derek Lee?

Hopefully someone not good at interpreting intent!

 

[Ice-Tray]

Cap wise we are good but cash wise I think we are pooched. With internal salary growth I don’t know how we add without sending out equal money. 2+ years of crushed revenues is a killer for this team.

It hasn’t really been crushing though. We have had a floor team during this ‘no fan’ time, and there has been some pretty big TV revenue arriving.

Nothing seems to have indicated that things are dire here, in fact things look to be better than ever in terms of the apparent freedom to spend money into the future.

I suspect that our salaries will grow this year and continue to grow from here on out. I think Dorion needs to be cautious, but I think the biggest concern is making sure that we have enough space for the next 4-5 guys up for extensions.

 

[PlayersLtd]

uh? we are in good shape cap wise to spend right now even with all the terrible contracts that Dorion has given

We are in good shape now but if you project forward to when this team is in it's prime we will have Stu and Sando signed to big contracts and guys like Pinto and Formenton (if he bridges) on potentially pretty high tweener contracts. That's of course on top of Brady, Chabot and Norris. So even when all the bad contracts are off if we go big on a top 6 talent now as well as a top 4 on D (admittedly looking like less of a need) it puts us in a really big squeeze by the time Sando is earning his 8-$9M.

The reality is we are bound to watch some pretty decent talent get shipped out and Nick Paul, if he is seeking in the $3m range, could be the first victim. The good news is we capitalize on this by stockpiling more picks and prospects and if we manage it well we sustain excellence beyond the Brady and Chabot window thanks to a surplus of talent beginning around now.

 

[GCK]

He's got 21 points in 24 games playing without a #1 center.

I’ve only watched Columbus 3 times this year but he’s been invisible to me. Maybe the oblique strain has been bugging him all year and not just when he was out but he’s a stationary player in my viewings.

 

[GCK]

It hasn’t really been crushing though. We have had a floor team during this ‘no fan’ time, and there has been some pretty big TV revenue arriving.

Nothing seems to have indicated that things are dire here, in fact things look to be better than ever in terms of the apparent freedom to spend money into the future.

I suspect that our salaries will grow this year and continue to grow from here on out. I think Dorion needs to be cautious, but I think the biggest concern is making sure that we have enough space for the next 4-5 guys up for extensions.

Injuries have cost the team a ton of money this year and losses this year on top of the last 2 are pretty tough on an owner in the lower end of NHL owners worth. With the increase in payroll next year and the massive increase the year after I doubt we can add without sending out equal.

This year we are trending towards 66M in salary expenditures which is more than planned due to injuries.
Next year we have committed to 50.5M so far with another 10 players to sign including Norris and Formenton.
The following year we have just under 46M committed with only Tkachuk, Batherson, White, Chabot, Zaitsev and Murray signed. Not a ton of room once you add Norris, Stu, Zub, Pinto, Formenton, Connor Brown, Paul, Brannstrom and fill out the roster.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Injuries have cost the team a ton of money this year and losses this year on top of the last 2 are pretty tough on an owner in the lower end of NHL owners worth. With the increase in payroll next year and the massive increase the year after I doubt we can add without sending out equal.

This year we are trending towards 66M in salary expenditures which is more than planned due to injuries.
Next year we have committed to 50.5M so far with another 10 players to sign including Norris and Formenton.
The following year we have just under 46M committed with only Tkachuk, Batherson, White, Chabot, Zaitsev and Murray signed. Not a ton of room once you add Norris, Stu, Zub, Pinto, Formenton, Connor Brown, Paul, Brannstrom and fill out the roster.

I hear you, but man fyous?!?

But yeah I agree that we need to be careful now because cap space is about to vanish.

 

[bert]

Fyoussss

Worst possible news. The sens are sellers what is going on..

 

[bert]

Yup. I think he'll get a bridge deal to prove that this wasn't a flash in the pan.

Everything has pointed to this type of progression. He actually got ice time and is 22. I don't see how this is a flash in the pan he started playing in the NHL at 18 and made the Canadian WJC at 18... The Formenton perspective on HF is nothing like anywhere else. Its so strange.

 

[bert]

With a healthy Norris, White & Pinto do they bring back both Gambrell & Gaudette? I doubt it, although they are both RFAs & maybe one goes to Bellevile. If anything maybe Gaudette is signed as a 13th forward, but they could just as easily re-sign Ennis cheaper to sit & wait for an injury to replace someone. Should be interesting what they do with some of these bubble guys.

Gambrell was playing very well. He is really solid, very good defensively I like him alot as a 4th line C. He should be extended. Gaudette I dunno he is playing well but isn't a long term solution. Can really only play in a scoring role.

 

[God Says No]

Gambrell was playing very well. He is really solid, very good defensively I like him alot as a 4th line C. He should be extended. Gaudette I dunno he is playing well but isn't a long term solution. Can really only play in a scoring role.

Not good enough in the dot, and not enough offense. Yes, even for a 4th liner.

Time to nab Laine or Boeser, but I'd prefer Laine.

That's the kind of sniper this team is missing. No one in the pipeline is even touching the type of scorer Laine is.

 

[bert]

Not good enough in the dot, and not enough offense. Yes, even for a 4th liner.



That's the kind of sniper this team is missing. No one in the pipeline is even touching the type of scorer Laine is.

Needs to be better in the face-off dot. The rest of his game was more than enough for a 4th liner. Very sound defensively could play against the other teams best players. You don't need a ton of offense in that roll. Flawed view of the position.

And yes every team can use a Laine.... How pretel do to think this team is getting either of those players.... Boeser and Laine... ? Melnyk is paying these players? Who is out to make room?

Everyone including Dorion just needs to play the young players and let it happen. Last thing we need is Dorion making any trades for pro talent. He has no clue.... He has already given up on young players too early. Example A Zibanejad Mika.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think we can be proactive in dumping Zaitsev for a pick or prospect. We have too many picks and even prospects, time to get them to work for us. Coyotes literally saying give us ur junk.

Then trade White.

I love Whitey's personality, but where does he fit? Let's be realistic here.

Tkachuk-Norris-Bath
Formenton-Stutzle-Giroux/Fiala
Kuzmenko/Gaudette-Pinto-Brown
Paul-Gambrel-Watson

Where does White fit? Is he replacing Connor Brown? If we can sign Brown at 5 mil I'd significantly prefer Connor Brown. Is he replacing Pinto? Don't see it. Is he squeezing in our top 6? Well, if he does, he'd have to be 60 point player minimum for us to be cup contenders. That could happen but not gamble I want to make.

White will get his stint to show what he's got. I think whether he impresses or not, he's gone if we can assuredly land a big fish that's proven top liner.

Also, I agree, Paul can only be signed for 2-2.25 mil max it seems, anything more, not worth it.

 

[Tuna99]

He's got 21 points in 24 games playing without a #1 center.

I think he was referring to his hairline

 

[Tuna99]

Laine is just a “name” at this point. Can’t believe what has happened to him.

I know what you mean about his hairline

 

[JD1]

Cap wise we are good but cash wise I think we are pooched. With internal salary growth I don’t know how we add without sending out equal money. 2+ years of crushed revenues is a killer for this team.

It will be 3 years of crushed revenue. All the games without fans will result in many STHs rolling their tickets into next year. Our already low sth revenue will be a lot lower due to credits on accounts

 

[Sweatred]

PD could be looking at -$20 million vs expected revenues due to

- terrible ticket sales
- Covid callups
- 10 lost games at $600K+

Melynk appeared comfortable losing $3-5 million but he may lose $20 this year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Good discussion this morning on Dorion's comments and the state of the rebuild.
Mornings February 4, 2022 Hour 2 - TSN Mornings - Omny.fm

 

[branch]

Do NOT trade a top 5 pick Pierre, for f*** sake it's unreal that needs to be said. There's very few players that are worth that.

 

[Big Muddy]

Do NOT trade a top 5 pick Pierre, for f*** sake it's unreal that needs to be said. There's very few players that are worth that.

Is it Groundhog Day again? Is this going to be another Matt Duchene scenario? Then after we acquire the targeted player, we go into another rebuild a short time later?