Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[HSF]

Elliotte Friedman also never played sports in his life, and he's from Toronto. Just saying.

What does being from Toronto have to do with anything

not sure what you are getting at

 

[HSF]

Wally got buried because he bit the hand that fed him. It was his choice, but if he wanted to stay with TSN it was a foolish move.

I’m not sure why anyone doing team coverage for the company that bought coverage rights would talk smack about the owner of the team, I’m not sure he thought it through.

None of that is good for TSN, undercutting their own product is foolish; that’s just common sense. Guys from the Citizen or Le Droit or something are the guys who can be critical, or the Athletic as we see from Mendez.

Happened all the time in Toronto before they turned it around

kinda sad to see if that is the reason

 

[HSF]

Wally says it like it is' Love the fox in the henhouse .. from about 26 minutes

I am so glad that its become mainstream that Dorion absolutely sucks at his job and he has to go.
There will always be clingers on but they are becoming more and more insignificant.

Pretty good interview and insight

Wally confirming what we are seeing and that management is trash

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What a lame-ass argument. People have been clamoring for it and if it's built properly with entertainment and food spots around it, people will come in droves. Lebreton isn't far from many residential areas either so people working from home in no way affects attendance.

Seriously man, give your head a shake.

Ottawa people don’t go in droves anywhere.

 

[Tuna99]

Ottawa people don’t go in droves anywhere.

have you been to the poutine stand outside The Dominion at 2:00am?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Wally got buried and at the same time freed to speak about what he knows - welcome to sports radio, this is nothing. It’s a story that the Sens suck, that the GM blows, and it’s interesting to hear why from people who know more than say…you do.

Not sure what the f*** you are talking about @Wondercarrot

I don’t think that has anything to do with my response. Someone else inferred that the mainstream media would start trashing PD.

Weird you need to turn it into something else

If Wally wants to vlog about how much he hates the team… so be it. Vloggers can do it. Just be cognizant that he has a personal vendetta.

He is persona non grata, and that is a fact. Takes a lot to be excommunicated.

And it wasn’t the organization that got him in that position. That’s a fact.

 

[bert]

Chris Pronger and Scott Neidermeyerr were the Anaheim team - Murray had nothing to do with that.

good coach for sure. A smart owner would of left him there as coach and allowed Muckler another shot at the finals. Team discipline and team standards took a huge dive under Murray. Within months of him taking over the entire thing fell apart - the once proud Senators fell off a cliff, and it’s never been the same since.

Murray backstabbed Muckler to get the GM job and that culture of Ass-kissing the owner and lowered organizational standards have led us to where we are today

Absolute Bullshit right here.

He drafted Getzlaf, Perry, Penner Sbisa. Found Mcdonald, Kunitz and Hutchinson as college free agents. Had Rob Niedermayer in Florida brought him in which lead to Scott coming. He brought in O'Donnell Paulson and Moen. The only thing Burke did was get Pronger who was in the middle of a scandal with the assets that Murray assembled. You are both lying in this thread and making things up all I one thread with innacuracies and lies.

Muckler failed to bring this team to the next level. Horrid asset management with Havlat and Chara. Despicable draft record see Brian Lee. His best acquisition was Vaclav Varada. The Hossa Heatley trade was Muckler. He inherited a championship level team from Mashall Johnston. This included Hossa, Alfie, Havlat, Bonk, Arvidsson, White, Redden, Phillips, Chara, Volchenkov, Rachunek. All in their primes. He left Bryan with empty cupboards in terms of prospects and limited assets. He deserved to move on and Bryan's proven track record to build a winner was the next step. The last part of your post is completely made up. Don't post garbage like that and pass it off as fact without proof. Get your facts straight. This is Melnyks mess blaming Bryan Murray is not only wrong but outrageous.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Wally says it like it is' Love the fox in the henhouse .. from about 26 minutes

I am so glad that its become mainstream that Dorion absolutely sucks at his job and he has to go.
There will always be clingers on but they are becoming more and more insignificant.

Totally mainstream.

OR, totally obvious. Can't decide which one.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I guess Wally wanted to be a man and speak up against things he felt were wrong, did they result in him being let go? Probably ya but at least he has his cojones still

A lot of awful dictators around the world liked the idea that no one would speak up against them for fear of consequences. That's a more extreme example of the same concept obviously, but its the same concept.

You got to into it, before you can get out of it (2 bonus points if you name the author of this quote).

 

[Tuna99]

Absolute Bullshit right here.

He drafted Getzlaf, Perry, Penner Sbisa. Found Mcdonald, Kunitz and Hutchinson as college free agents. Had Rob Niedermayer in Florida brought him in which lead to Scott coming. He brought in O'Donnell Paulson and Moen. The only thing Burke did was get Pronger who was in the middle of a scandal with the assets that Murray assembled. You are both lying in this thread and making things up all I one thread with innacuracies and lies.

Muckler failed to bring this team to the next level. Horrid asset management with Havlat and Chara. Despicable draft record see Brian Lee. His best acquisition was Vaclav Varada. The Hossa Heatley trade was Muckler. He inherited a championship level team from Mashall Johnston. This included Hossa, Alfie, Havlat, Bonk, Arvidsson, White, Redden, Phillips, Chara, Volchenkov, Rachunek. All in their primes. He left Bryan with empty cupboards in terms of prospects and limited assets. He deserved to move on and Bryan's proven track record to build a winner was the next step. The last part of your post is completely made up. Don't post garbage like that and pass it off as fact without proof. Get your facts straight. This is Melnyks mess blaming Bryan Murray is not only wrong but outrageous.

Okay. I guess acquiring 2 Hall of Fame of defensiveman and two of the top 3 Dman on the NHL didn’t lead to a Stanley Cup.

imagine Chris Drury Trading for Victor Hedman and Miro Heiskenan and winning the Cup and fans saying it was Scott Gortons team won the Cup.

I can’t see Anaheim even getting to finals without Neidermeyer or Pronger. Not to mention that Dman they got for Fedorov.

anyways, if the new GM in Ottawa brought in two Norris trophy winners (one who won an MVP and the other had won 3 Cups and was Captain or Team Canada) I can’t see you saying Pierre Dorion built this team - but that’s just me

 

[bert]

Okay. I guess acquiring 2 Hall of Fame of defensiveman and two of the top 3 Dman on the NHL didn’t lead to a Stanley Cup.

imagine Chris Drury Trading for Victor Hedman and Miro Heiskenan and winning the Cup and fans saying it was Scott Gortons team won the Cup.

I can’t see Anaheim even getting to finals without Neidermeyer or Pronger. Not to mention that Dman they got for Fedorov.

anyways, if the new GM in Ottawa brought in two Norris trophy winners (one who won an MVP and the other had won 3 Cups and was Captain or Team Canada) I can’t see you saying Pierre Dorion built this team - but that’s just me

Did you even read my post. Rob Niedermayer brought Scott who was Bryan's guy. Pronger was embesseled in a scandal and forced his way out of Edmonton.

Getzlaf is a sure fire hall of famer and owns every major record in ducks history. Perry has a hart trophy. Mcdonald and Kunitz were on their first line when they won.

They don't win anything without all those players........

Bryan signed Fedorov!!!! Lol.

 

[Tuna99]

Did you even read my post. Rob Niedermayer brought Scott who was Bryan's guy. Pronger was embesseled in a scandal and forced his way out of Edmonton.

Getzlaf is a sure fire hall of famer and owns every major record in ducks history. Perry has a hart trophy. Mcdonald and Kunitz were on their first line when they won.

They don't win anything without all those players........

Bryan signed Fedorov!!!! Lol.

Yes I get what you said - but what star player that’s traded isn’t involved in some sort of ugly departure. PK Subban, Tyler Sequin, Mary St Louis. It’s never a nice exit.

And sure we can credit Bryan Murray for acquiring Scott Neidermeyer. It’s like crediting Bowman for acquiring Hossa when the GM who did it was Tallon. I guess if that makes sense how come the Foligno, Tkachuk or Subban brothers don’t ever play together

 

[BondraTime]

Yes I get what you said - but what star player that’s traded isn’t involved in some sort of ugly departure. PK Subban, Tyler Sequin, Mary St Louis. It’s never a nice exit.

And sure we can credit Bryan Murray for acquiring Scott Neidermeyer. It’s like crediting Bowman for acquiring Hossa when the GM who did it was Tallon. I guess if that makes sense how come the Foligno, Tkachuk or Subban brothers don’t ever play together

The only option for Neidermeyer was Anaheim, he was going to play with whatever team Rob was on. A monkey could have been GM and Scott would ave signed with them.

"When Scott Niedermayer left the Devils as a free agent last summer to sign with Anaheim, the No. 1 reason he cited was the chance to play with his younger brother, Rob, for the first time since they were teenagers."

Niedermayers Are Now One Big Happy Family (Published 2005)

Was neither Burke or Murray that brought Scott in, it was 100% Scott

 

[Tuna99]

The only option for Neidermeyer was Anaheim, he was going to play with whatever team Rob was on. A monkey could have been GM and Scott would ave signed with them.

"When Scott Niedermayer left the Devils as a free agent last summer to sign with Anaheim, the No. 1 reason he cited was the chance to play with his younger brother, Rob, for the first time since they were teenagers."

Niedermayers Are Now One Big Happy Family (Published 2005)

Was neither Burke or Murray that brought Scott in, it was 100% Scott

i think the point of the Neidermeyer playing together was to win a Cup, not to represent the community if Anaheim. If NJ was willing to bring in Rob and they were contenders, NJ would of traded for him. I think this 7 year star why if acquiring Rob to eventually get to Scott is misguided

 

[BondraTime]

i think the point of the Neidermeyer playing together was to win a Cup, not to represent the community if Anaheim. If NJ was willing to bring in Rob and they were contenders, NJ would of traded for him. I think this 7 year star why if acquiring Rob to eventually get to Scott is misguided

That's exactly what I said.

Neidermeyer, as a UFA, was going to play with Rob.

If Rob was a Sen, he'd have joined the Sens. If Rob was a Star, he'd have joined the Stars.

Had nothing to do with Burke, or Murray. It had to do with what team Rob was playing on.

 

[TkachukNorrisFacts]

What does being from Toronto have to do with anything

not sure what you are getting at

It makes him biased, much in the same way that I am when I'm compelled to always see the Leafs and the Habs as disasters and doing worse than the Senators (in at least some shape or form).

I actually think the fact that I mentioned that he never played sports is less relevant. He's just being a reporter and capitalizing on all the Sens fans who are disgruntled at the moment. What he says holds no weight.

 

[Bevans]

The only option for Neidermeyer was Anaheim, he was going to play with whatever team Rob was on. A monkey could have been GM and Scott would ave signed with them.

And who signed Rob?

You're completely conceding the point but framing it as a disagreement.

Target the brother. Get the star. See Caleb Jones.

 

[HSF]

It makes him biased, much in the same way that I am when I'm compelled to always see the Leafs and the Habs as disasters and doing worse than the Senators (in at least some shape or form).

I actually think the fact that I mentioned that he never played sports is less relevant. He's just being a reporter and capitalizing on all the Sens fans who are disgruntled at the moment. What he says holds no weight.

uh okay ? Elliott is one of the most well connected insiders in there

Also he hasn’t shown to have a leafs bias at all. You should listen to his podcasts they are very informative .

he isn’t some tsn1200 homer like dean brown he is well respected insider that covers the whole league

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

uh okay ? Elliott is one of the most well connected insiders in there

Also he hasn’t shown to have a leafs bias at all. You should listen to his podcasts they are very informative .

he isn’t some tsn1200 homer like dean brown he is well respected insider that covers the whole league

Certainly one of the best we have for league wide coverage.. The no soul thing aside lol.

 

[umma gumma]

And who signed Rob?

You're completely conceding the point but framing it as a disagreement.

Target the brother. Get the star. See Caleb Jones.

Murray didn't sign Rob thinking he'd get Scott by default; he signed him because he drafted him in Florida.

 

[umma gumma]

Okay. I guess acquiring 2 Hall of Fame of defensiveman and two of the top 3 Dman on the NHL didn’t lead to a Stanley Cup.

imagine Chris Drury Trading for Victor Hedman and Miro Heiskenan and winning the Cup and fans saying it was Scott Gortons team won the Cup.

I can’t see Anaheim even getting to finals without Neidermeyer or Pronger. Not to mention that Dman they got for Fedorov.

anyways, if the new GM in Ottawa brought in two Norris trophy winners (one who won an MVP and the other had won 3 Cups and was Captain or Team Canada) I can’t see you saying Pierre Dorion built this team - but that’s just me

Come on, Brian Burke himself said Murray had a lot to do with that team.

You never miss an opportunity to slag him for some reason. You need to move on man. Seriously, blaming him for Dorion? Did he convince Melnyk to extend Pierre from the grave?

 

[BondraTime]

And who signed Rob?

You're completely conceding the point but framing it as a disagreement.

Target the brother. Get the star. See Caleb Jones.

Yeah, I don’t think Murray got Rob in 2002 as a plan to get Scott in 2005.

He signed Rob because he was the one who drafted him 5th overall in Florida.

Not conceding anything, I’m saying the point being made by either side is incorrect.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dorion speaks


only 1 deserves to be waived after an iffy game coming back from covid and not playing for a stretch.

collective sigh of relief. IF we can believe him.

 

[Micklebot]

Dorion speaks


only 1 deserves to be waived after an iffy game coming back from covid and not playing for a stretch.

collective sigh of relief. IF we can believe him.

I don't mind Dorions comments here, still take issue with how Murray was handled but this isn't too bad.

 

[Bevans]

Murray didn't sign Rob thinking he'd get Scott by default; he signed him because he drafted him in Florida.

So we agree he signed Rob. And then there's some speculation, which does not change fact he signed Rob.