Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Dionysus]

I’d package Zaitsev with the 7th overall if they move the whole salary. And get, like, a 5th back or something

What? That seems like massive overpayment to dump some salary. The sens are miles from the cap.

 

[Tuna99]

I’d package Zaitsev with the 7th overall if they move the whole salary. And get, like, a 5th back or something

I think Hamonic is solid as a bottom pairing Dman but sadly it took Ottawa about 6 weeks to go from “Hamonic is a great partner to mentor Sanderson” to “we need a top 4 D to mentor Sanderson”

6 weeks is generally the timeline it takes for management to realize they’ve made a mistake in their evaluation (Murray, Dadonov, Brannstrom, Stepan; Gidbranson, Galchenyuk, Hamonic, that guy who they brought in on waivers for offence and didn’t get a point in his last 25 games even with some PP time, Burrows, that guy from Tampa who liked his dogs so much he had to be traded, Scott Gomez, the Nick Paul trade was a mistake they know that now, Sanford)

 

[coladin]

What? That seems like massive overpayment to dump some salary. The sens are miles from the cap.

It is an overpayment, for sure. But being miles away from the cap is a little irrelevant as our cap is way different from the actual salary cap. Or send Boucher instead of the 7th overall pick

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It is an overpayment, for sure. But being miles away from the cap is a little irrelevant as our cap is way different from the actual salary cap. Or send Boucher instead of the 7th overall pick

That’s a little intense. And I don’t think it’s needed.

 

[Sweatred]

Who gets to the NHL first ? Cutter or Boucher ?

 

[umma gumma]

I’d package Zaitsev with the 7th overall if they move the whole salary. And get, like, a 5th back or something

I dunno, teams give up much less to shed salary.

It would be a Dorion type move though.

 

[OD99]

I’d package Zaitsev with the 7th overall if they move the whole salary. And get, like, a 5th back or something

That would be a brutally short and farsighted move.

We can bury Z if needed rather than give up a 7th overall pick that we would have full control over for the next 5 years or so at a good price. Could also be a potential star but certainly expected to be a key contributor.

Is that frustration taking over perhaps? Z is bad but give your head a shake and think about what you are saying again. That is far, far too much and would set us back.

People are talking about getting Fiala for the 7th and you are saying dump it to get rid of Z.

Who gets to the NHL first ? Cutter or Boucher ?

Don't know Cutter but I take Cutter.

 

[Big Muddy]

That would be a brutally short and farsighted move.

We can bury Z if needed rather than give up a 7th overall pick that we would have full control over for the next 5 years or so at a good price. Could also be a potential star but certainly expected to be a key contributor.

Is that frustration taking over perhaps? Z is bad but give your head a shake and think about what you are saying again. That is far, far too much and would set us back.

People are talking about getting Fiala for the 7th and you are saying dump it to get rid of Z.


Don't know Cutter but I take Cutter.

Ya, stick him in the AHL is an option if they really want to or need to go that route.

My guess is that Zaitsev will be back as a 3rd pairing guy, and maybe a healthy scratch on occasion. I think they might want to keep his value up (yes, its minimal, but they will hope to get something) and try to make a less painful or costly move later when he has less term left. Also, DJ "seems" to like the guy for whatever reason. Most teams will have and use 8 defenders during the course of the year as well.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Zaitsev isn’t that bad, nor should we be worried about paying to shed short term money until we actually know that money is indeed an issue at the moment.

PD has already mentioned that he has been green lit to spend more, so we’ll see how that pans out, but really, guys like Murray and Zaitsev are just holding salary for guys like Stu and Sanderson. We don’t need to free up that money to spend elsewhere, only to be looking for it again in 1-2 years.

Play them down the line up, and just consider it money already spent on our young stars, and move on.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Imagine using a 7OA pick to dump a mid-level caphit like Zaitsev. It's hard to imagine how that thought process started and came to that conclusion.

 

[Knave]

Imagine using a 7OA pick to dump a mid-level caphit like Zaitsev. It's hard to imagine how that thought process started and came to that conclusion.

I'm starting to see why some people have no issue keeping a GM we have had for 6 years who has missed the playoffs for the last 5 of those years.

 

[aragorn]

Who gets to the NHL first ? Cutter or Boucher ?

I bet they arrive at the same time. Gauthier probably plays at least two yrs in college & Boucher will probably play another yr with the 67s & then spend a yr in Belleville. And it will be just when the team starts to push & contend & they will help push them over the top into another level.

 

[Micklebot]

Atypical and low probability of happening.

Correct, but I wasn't suggesting otherwise. It was said if we added 30 pts to make the playoffs it would be a historic event, I just named two teams that made bigger turnarounds. There are a lot of teams in the 25-30 and + range, leafs jumped 26 pts in 2017 to squeak into the playoffs, NYI jumped 44 pts in 2001, Boston did 30 pts in 1998, Det did 38 in 1987, Dallas did 40 in 97, Washington did 29 in 83 and 34 in 2000, Blue Jackets did 32 in 2017, NJD did 27 in 2018, Carolina did 36 in 2006 to win the cup, and 26 in 2018 as a bunch of jerks more recently, Rangers did 31 in 2006, Ducks did 26 in 2003, Sharks did 31 in 2004 and 58! in 1994 (now that's historic), the Edmonton McDavids did 33 in 2017, heck it's not even historic in the context of Sens History, we jumped 36 pts in the standings to make the playoffs for the first time in the new era back in 1997.

All I'm saying is a 30 pts jump to make the playoffs while unlikely, would not be some historic event.

 

[coladin]

I dunno, teams give up much less to shed salary.

It would be a Dorion type move though.

Dammit. I just revealed myself

I can’t recall which team did something like that to be cap compliant…was it not the Leafs?

That would be a brutally short and farsighted move.

We can bury Z if needed rather than give up a 7th overall pick that we would have full control over for the next 5 years or so at a good price. Could also be a potential star but certainly expected to be a key contributor.

Is that frustration taking over perhaps? Z is bad but give your head a shake and think about what you are saying again. That is far, far too much and would set us back.

People are talking about getting Fiala for the 7th and you are saying dump it to get rid of Z.


Don't know Cutter but I take Cutter.

I suppose it is a bit of everything: frustration, resignation, worry about signing the stars, etc…

Not only salary-wise, but Zaitsev and White are getting in the way, and clearing both would be massive, and essentially Stutzle’s salary is taken care of. That would be huge and satisfied out pathetic internal cap

 

[coladin]

Imagine using a 7OA pick to dump a mid-level caphit like Zaitsev. It's hard to imagine how that thought process started and came to that conclusion.

Yeah, a little over exuberant, admittedly. But something less yikes I would be all in for if it removes horrible contracts. I just know this team has no money and those contracts being off the books will free up more for that top6 forward as well

 

[Cosmix]

Based on Dorion's end of the season presser, I wonder if they are confident about Gustavsson? If I recall that interview correctly, Dorion said that he told Gus to go ahead and grab back that backup role.

And Dorion did mention that they could go with 3 goalies on their roster.

Adding all of this up, it leads me to believe that maybe that aren't intent on buying Murray out (a trade would be very difficult, so that's not a good option I'd think). I'm just trying read the tea leaves here and that's the impression I'm getting.

I think that is Dorion PR spin, but I expect reality will be different given the massive cost savings if they can trade the injury prone player or failing that, buying him out.

 

[Cosmix]

I bet they arrive at the same time. Gauthier probably plays at least two yrs in college & Boucher will probably play another yr with the 67s & then spend a yr in Belleville. And it will be just when the team starts to push & contend & they will help push them over the top into another level.

On the sauce again?

 

[OD99]

Dammit. I just revealed myself

I can’t recall which team did something like that to be cap compliant…was it not the Leafs?


I suppose it is a bit of everything: frustration, resignation, worry about signing the stars, etc…

Not only salary-wise, but Zaitsev and White are getting in the way, and clearing both would be massive, and essentially Stutzle’s salary is taken care of. That would be huge and satisfied are pathetic internal cap

I get it - frustrating times and the unknown makes it even worse.

I would love to get rid of Z and if we give up a 3rd then great.

Admit I am not as sold on having to get rid of White but he didn't help his cause by not being able to finish the season and I do believe in some of our younger group so the time has probably come. A buyout would be an easy fix for him.

If we can't sign Norris, Stu, Sanderson then the team is indeed finished, at least until new ownership with deep pockets arrives.

That said - if we sign those guys and progress as I hope next season we do need to sell a Hell of a lot more tickets and the citizens of Ottawa need to get behind the team.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think that is Dorion PR spin, but I expect reality will be different given the massive cost savings if they can trade the injury prone player or failing that, buying him out.

Trade or buy out will be OK by me, but I hope that the Forsberg and Gus tandem holds up and provides steady goaltending.

Gus was a little shaky at times last year, and was a bit inconsistent. I thought the year before he looked more steady and solid. So, I can see why they might have some concerns and would decide to run with 3 goalies. Hard to say and I guess we'll find out. Would like to see the salary $s for Murray utilized differently for sure.

 

[Sweatred]

I bet they arrive at the same time. Gauthier probably plays at least two yrs in college & Boucher will probably play another yr with the 67s & then spend a yr in Belleville. And it will be just when the team starts to push & contend & they will help push them over the top into another level.

Possible .. PD commented that he thought the 7 pick could help them next year (2023)... who knows who he has there but I think Cutter could arrive ahead of Boucher or like you said, both of them in 2024.

 

[Cosmix]

Trade or buy out will be OK by me, but I hope that the Forsberg and Gus tandem holds up and provides steady goaltending.

Gus was a little shaky at times last year, and was a bit inconsistent. I thought the year before he looked more steady and solid. So, I can see why they might have some concerns and would decide to run with 3 goalies. Hard to say and I guess we'll find out. Would like to see the salary $s for Murray utilized differently for sure.

I think the only reason for the Senators having 3 goaltenders with NHL contracts is because one of them has proven to be injury prone and unreliable. Forsberg was signed because of that. Gustavsson was signed to be the backup. I think the writing is on the wall for Murray.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think the only reason for the Senators having 3 goaltenders with NHL contracts is because one of them has proven to be injury prone and unreliable. Forsberg was signed because of that. Gustavsson was signed to be the backup. I think the writing is on the wall for Murray.

Re; Murray

Ya, who knows. We will find out eventually what happens with Murray.

Curious though. You mentioned Pierre made those comments as a PR move. What does he gain by saying that? The only thing I can think of is because behind the scenes he is trying to trade Murray.

But NHL GMs and their pro scouts will have their own intelligence and thoughts on that subject.

Things happen for a reason as they say, so I am trying to figure why he said that and what he has to gain by saying it. In terms of parallel situations, Pierre didn't have any problems talking about the situation when he sent Murray down to the AHL.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Oh look!

 

[cudi]

Oh look!

great to see.

 

[bert]

Imagine using a 7OA pick to dump a mid-level caphit like Zaitsev. It's hard to imagine how that thought process started and came to that conclusion.

No human alive makes that deal that has any idea what they are doing. Why does everyone want to trade 7th OA so badly? I took a break from this board and have come back to some of the most insane posts. The team was 30 points out of the playoffs you dont trade top 10 picks when you are that far out.

Dammit. I just revealed myself

I can’t recall which team did something like that to be cap compliant…was it not the Leafs?


I suppose it is a bit of everything: frustration, resignation, worry about signing the stars, etc…

Not only salary-wise, but Zaitsev and White are getting in the way, and clearing both would be massive, and essentially Stutzle’s salary is taken care of. That would be huge and satisfied out pathetic internal cap

The leafs traded the 13th OA pick before the season started when they thought they were a contender. To be cap compliant.... The sens have 20 million in cap space. They are not a contender and this is the 7th OA pick. Good grief.