johnjm22
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No you don't. He's a bottom 3 defenseman. Adding him doesn't make Calgary an SC contender. It was a stupid trade.
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Not sure where you get that Harmonic is a bottom pairing Dman, he's easily a top 4 Dman for most teams in the league.
kovacro
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I think it was a trade the Flames made looking at their window to contend with the core group they have. He's a 2nd pairing guy, currently 27 yrs. old (26 when acquired) which has him in his prime years and the contract is very cap friendly which likely factored into the cost to acquire him.
No way anyone could have foreseen the Flames totally crashing this year. I think most 'experts' had them in the playoffs which makes that 1st potentially a pick in the late teens/early 20's.
Not only that, it's a draft pick, not proven, could it turn into someone, of course, no one is saying otherwise, but you don't turn down a proven commodity who is young like Kovacro said, on the off chance you might be able to get a useful player 5-6 years down the line
Ziggy Stardust
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Watching the replay, if Muzzin didn't chicken out, he likely wouldn't have been hurt on that check by Ferland. Him ducking to avoid the check made it worse.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I'd take the draft pick back over Lucic in 2015, and most of the posters on here had a sense of who would be there.
The Oilers would also move a 1st in that draft for Griffin Reinhart...
Care to guess who the Islanders selected with that selection?
Agreed, thats how most injuries happen, they try to avoid the hit instead of absorbing it.
Hindsight is 20/20 look who was taken right before Barzal, etc.
You can cherry pick past drafts all you want, no one is saying a 1st round pick isn't worth anything, but coming off of the year Calgary did last year, it was a smart trade, you get a cap friendly, young top 4 Dman, for a chance a guy comes down the pipeline...
Ziggy Stardust
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I guess it is TBD with what happens with the pick moved, but the Isles having two lottery chances in what is looking like a deep draft class... they could very well draft and groom another Hamonic with one of those selections.
Giving up those kind of assets for a dman who is primarily known for playing well in his own end and not necessarily known for offense (and isn't used on the PP)... I would think that is a steep price. Would you give up a 1st and two 2nd round selections for Andrew MacDonald?
And the stuff about Barzal was being said at the time of the draft. Most of us here wanted him. Hindsight tells us that deal is far worse than it was then, and everyone know the Bruins blew it with two of their three selections there. Imagine if they end up with DeBrusk, Barzal and Connor with those three selections. Jesus Christ that would have been scary.
Giving up those kind of assets for a dman who is primarily known for playing well in his own end and not necessarily known for offense (and isn't used on the PP)... I would think that is a steep price. Would you give up a 1st and two 2nd round selections for Andrew MacDonald?
And the stuff about Barzal was being said at the time of the draft. Most of us here wanted him. Hindsight tells us that deal is far worse than it was then, and everyone know the Bruins blew it with two of their three selections there. Imagine if they end up with DeBrusk, Barzal and Connor with those three selections. Jesus Christ that would have been scary.
Agreed, but CGYs PP units feature 4 Forwards and Giordano, then Hamilton and brodie when healthy etc,
Regardless, again, no one expected the Flames to fall this far, not after the year they had, they brought in Smith to solidify the goaltending, he did to an extent, they brought in Harmonic to solidify the backend, he did to an extent, then they absolutely bombed.
Comparing Harmonic to McDonald, that's a hugely unfair comparison to Harmonic, he's miles better defensively.
As far as Boston, every team will miss at one time or another in the draft, that's why drafting hindsight 20/20 is always perfect.
King'sPawn
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As far as value, it may be a good trade. But it may not be the best direction for an organization.
It's not a catastrophic if the GM can right the ship. But the Kings are a lesson of caution about trading away picks when you improperly evaluate your core's ability to make the playoffs.
Agreed, I don't think that would have been the right move for LA, I do however think it was the right move for CGY, based on WHEN they did it etc.
RONNIEC
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It was a must win and it was a nice win last night.
Muzz was injured but should not be a serious one.
One at a time, and good job.
Muzz was injured but should not be a serious one.
One at a time, and good job.
johnjm22
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He's a bottom 3 defenseman.
Willie Mitchell is worth a 1st.
Hamonic couldn't hold Willie Mitchell's jock strap.
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johnjm22
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They're not SC contenders though. They were a wild card team last year. A wild card team being a bubble team or missing the playoffs the following year is perfectly within the realm of expected outcomes.
He isn't a second pairing dman for them. He's very mediocre.
It's not a draft pick. It's 3 draft picks. All in the first two rounds. That 1st round pick was left unprotected so even if it ends up being 1st overall they still lose it.
Even if they wanted to trade those picks, they could have used them to get an impact player, not a guy who's not even playing top 4 minutes for them.
Might want to check again, he's playing over 20 minutes a night for them, regularly
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johnjm22
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I meant to say bottom 3 defensemen. Which he is for them. They have 3 defensemen getting more ice time per game than him.
You don't give up a 1st and two 2nds for a guy that's playing in your bottom 3 and doesn't make you an SC contender. The results of the trade speak for themselves.
deeshamrock
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From what I've read/heard in the last little while, they are a young team short on leadership. The ydo not have a vet 'g0 to' guy(s) that young teams need. Management is concerned with this and is looking to add that this summer. TJ Brodie was the name mentioned as a piece they'd move.
And I'm in the camp for Hamonic, who has done pretty much everything you'd expect from a 2nd pair shut down guy. Tough, sticks up for his teammates, a battler, hard to play against, pretty good on PK< moves the puck when asked, competes hard. He's growing into a new role there, and I think going forward will be part of a leadership group.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Hamonic is a good player. Did Calgary overpay? Yes. See, you can both be right.
Butch 19
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Don't companies just let go of senior staff every 15 - 20 years to clean house / bring in new lower salaried staff? JH was doing channel 2 sports when I was in high school, ffs!
Over / under: when is the last time Jim Hill actually attended a Kings game? I'm going with 2.5 years
and wig
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Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
I would think so, yes, but do you trade Muzzin without getting a roster player back??
Ziggy Stardust
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If they can sign a top 3 dman and get those kinds of assets, no question.
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