GDT: GM#76 LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers @7:00

[Drivesaitl]

I know, I know... on last night's 1st edm wrap-around goal, I have never seen so much goal line exposed on a wrap-around attempt for an easy tap in. Quick was waaaay more out of position than usual.

But Pearson was 4 ft away from the goal post, just watching the goal get scored in front of him. If he had just stood next to the post he likely would have stopped the shot.

On form alone I don't know how anybody can even justify Quicks position there. Again if he has his left pad in proper position, and not 2 feet inside his own net (why would you do that) he makes a pad stop on the Aberg chance. Aberg had a wide open cage there on that side because Quick is laughably IN the cage.

Talbot gets lots of criticism in Edmonton but his form is better and this goal wouldn't have occurred on him.

Oilers got far better goaltending on the night. It was the huge difference in the game.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I wonder why our team is seemingly so slow to get into each game this year, the amount of early goals against is weird. We usually seem to be chasing the game. I know it's fashionable to bash on Quick, but he isn't the only man out there. Do they fall asleep during the anthems or something?

It's not a new thing, they did it under Sutter, but it's certainly more pronounced this year. I guess when players get what they want...

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

On form alone I don't know how anybody can even justify Quicks position there. Again if he has his right pad in proper position, and not 2 feet inside his own net (why would you do that) he makes a pad stop on the Aberg chance. Aberg had a wide open cage there on that side because Quick is laughably IN the cage.

Talbot gets lots of criticism in Edmonton but his form is better and this goal wouldn't have occurred on him.

Oilers got far better goaltending on the night. It was the huge difference in the game.

Did I wonder into the twighlight zone this morning?

Form alone? I don't know how many times I can state this, form alone, proper technique, proper positioning, he was 100% bang on for where that puck was, it's not his fault that Reider smacked it to Aberg AS he was falling down.

The fact that so many of you think he should have been covering the opposite post of where the puck was just astounds me, just literally no words for how anyone thinks that is proper form

 

[Drivesaitl]

Did I wonder into the twighlight zone this morning?

Form alone? I don't know how many times I can state this, form alone, proper technique, proper positioning, he was 100% bang on for where that puck was, it's not his fault that Reider smacked it to Aberg AS he was falling down.

The fact that so many of you think he should have been covering the opposite post of where the puck was just astounds me, just literally no words for how anyone thinks that is proper form

So you think its proper form for a small goalie to have half his body behind the goal line? Whats the purpose of Quick even having a left pad on the play. I'm just saying that there is no reason other than nerves for a goalie to get deep in his cage like that and invariably nerves it was causes it. Goalies that are overplayed have a tendency to get rattled loose form, and a few things start to become obvious. That they are down too much for two long, and that they back into their cage too much. REGARDLESS of which way Quick expected the play to go the form aspect of goaltending is that half his anatomy should not be behind the goal line. Again why would any sentient goalie be doing that? It serves no function except for effectively vacating that complete half of the cage.

Quick has become more and more unorthodox.

Btw was Quick on form lol. When he allowed Connor McD two whacks at it before getting to the post? Quick is still down waving a white flag when the goal light is flashing.

Later in the game Ty Rattie comes an inch away from schooling Quick on a nearside post. With Quick somehow completely out of position.

I would almost think Quick was injured and compensating. Or he's off his game.

 

[KINGS17]

I know, I know... on last night's 1st edm wrap-around goal, I have never seen so much goal line exposed on a wrap-around attempt for an easy tap in. Quick was waaaay more out of position than usual.

But Pearson was 4 ft away from the goal post, just watching the goal get scored in front of him. If he had just stood next to the post he likely would have stopped the shot.

I agree, Pearson was a spectator on the first goal. Lost his check completely.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

So you think its proper form for a small goalie to have half his body behind the goal line? Whats the purpose of Quick even having a right pad on the play. I'm just saying that there is no reason other than nerves for a goalie to get deep in his cage like that and invariably nerves it was causes it. Goalies that are overplayed have a tendency to get rattled loose form, and a few things start to become obvious. That they are down too much for two long, and that they back into their cage too much. REGARDLESS of which way Quick expected the play to go the form aspect of goaltending is that half his anatomy should not be behind the goal line. Again why would any sentient goalie be doing that? It serves no function except for effectively vacating that complete half of the cage.

Quick has become more and more unorthodox.

Btw was Quick on form lol. When he allowed Connor McD two whacks at it before getting to the post? Quick is still down waving a white flag when the goal light is flashing.

Later in the game Ty Rattie comes an inch away from schooling Quick on a nearside post. With Quick somehow completely out of position.

I would almost think Quick was injured and compensating. Or he's off his game.

The puck was behind the freaking net for Gods sake, yes, it's proper form for him to be on the goalline, 25 years ago, he would have been on his feet, but holy hell man.

That was Quick that was supposed to tie up MacDavid, hot damn, I thought it was Kopitar, I thought Quick would have been reacting to the puck at the point, but your right, should have turned his back and tied up his stick...

Rattie backhand, quick was completely out of position, seriously? Holy hell, Rattie was what, 6 inches from the goal line, and through a mineaswell shot up there, and it hit quick in the shoulder then the post, but f*** that, he was out of position,

You're talking out of your ass man,

I will give Quick crap when he deserves it, game against Pittsburgh, the Hornquist call, that was beyond soft, but holy hell you guys are inventing reasons to be pissed at him, you guys show lack of true knowledge of the position and the game when you do crap like that.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The puck was behind the freaking net for Gods sake, yes, it's proper form for him to be on the goalline, .

Thank you. Now explain why Quicks left pad is 2 feet behind the line on the initial Aberg goal. Quick looked stupid on that play and 3 more times in the game.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Thank you. Now explain why Quicks left pad is 2 feet behind the line on the initial Aberg goal. Quick looked stupid on that play and 3 more times in the game.

Because he's twisted trying to find the puck, man, seriously? If that's the best you got, you mine as well stop right there, that's just pathetic.

Quick looked stupid because 12 players on the ice thought it was going left and in a split specond it got smacked to the right....yea....

 

[Drivesaitl]

Because he's twisted trying to find the puck, man, seriously? If that's the best you got, you mine as well stop right there, that's just pathetic.

Quick looked stupid because 12 players on the ice thought it was going left and in a split specond it got smacked to the right....yea....

You already conceded the point and I even bolded it so you would notice. You don't. Anyway have a good day and I'll let the Kings posters respond to your comments.

Good luck to the Kings the rest of the way and I hope again that you make the playoffs.

I also hope Drasaitl scores a hat trick tonight. He loves rolling the Ducks.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I missed the game. Guess I didn't miss much though.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I missed the game. Guess I didn't miss much though.

It had it's moments, 3rd period, puck bounced over Toffoli's stick on an open net, Thompson had a short handed breakaway, and final seconds, absent of a spectacular read and play from Larsson, Brown probably ties it up with a last ditch effort.

 

[The Tikkanen]

I don't see any way how the Kings don't fire Stevens and the entire conditioning staff the day after the season is over. These guys are rarely ready to play and apparently need 40 minutes to get warmed up. If you hire a personal trainer to run a marathon and he trains you to be ready to go all out the last 1/3 of the race after being in last place the rest of the time they would be out of work permanently. The LA Kings just are not in hockey shape to play 60 minutes of hockey and apparently they need a drill instructor behind the bench to motivate them. Practices must be too easy, nights on the town too often and the training clearly isn't ideal for hockey.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I understand you can't play for 3 full periods in a 82 games schedule. You always save the best for the more important games, its a mental thing.

I do agree they dont look ready with most games.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I don't see any way how the Kings don't fire Stevens and the entire conditioning staff the day after the season is over. These guys are rarely ready to play and apparently need 40 minutes to get warmed up. If you hire a personal trainer to run a marathon and he trains you to be ready to go all out the last 1/3 of the race after being in last place the rest of the time they would be out of work permanently. The LA Kings just are not in hockey shape to play 60 minutes of hockey and apparently they need a drill instructor behind the beach to motivate them. Practices must be too easy, nights on the town too often and the training clearly isn't ideal for hockey.

I don't know if they fire Stevens after this season, one can argue that under him, Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty have had career seasons/back bounce seasons, etc.

They may change some of the personnel, strength and conditioning coaches, etc.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I understand you can't play for 3 full periods in a 82 games schedule. You always save the best for the more important games, its a mental thing.

I do agree they dont look ready with most games.

I don't know if it's most games, but I think you can argue most games that matter? I've only been able to tune in the past month or so, but the games I've seen have been fine, with exceptions, ie. St Louis, etc, but Winnipeg this past week was one of the few times, I've seen them absolutely quit on a game, that 3rd period was one of the most brutal periods they've played, and 3 out of 4, etc, it's a lot of hockey and Winnipeg is a great team, but man, that was something, you don't see an NHL team do very often.

 

[tny760]

yeah i'm kinda losing a bit of faith in stevens personally

i mean this team is still playing great defense but i feel like i'm seeing the sutter effect again where guys are just getting to spots and "running the play" rather than improvising

i know a lot of that falls on the players and frankly a lot of our guys have relatively low skill ceilings but we have guys like iafallo and thompson/mitchell being disruptive on the forecheck, why isn't anyone else? why do we only send 2 in on the forecheck occasionally then 90% of the time stand between the dots staring at the puck allowing the opposition to develop a play? when the forecheck was aggressive against the oilers last night, and against any team for that matter, they were relegated to pulling a sens and doing nothing but chipping the puck out to center ice and giving up possession. why is that not our primary gameplan then?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

yeah i'm kinda losing a bit of faith in stevens personally

i mean this team is still playing great defense but i feel like i'm seeing the sutter effect again where guys are just getting to spots and "running the play" rather than improvising

i know a lot of that falls on the players and frankly a lot of our guys have relatively low skill ceilings but we have guys like iafallo and thompson/mitchell being disruptive on the forecheck, why isn't anyone else? why do we only send 2 in on the forecheck occasionally then 90% of the time stand between the dots staring at the puck allowing the opposition to develop a play? when the forecheck was aggressive against the oilers last night, and against any team for that matter, they were relegated to pulling a sens and doing nothing but chipping the puck out to center ice and giving up possession. why is that not our primary gameplan then?

I think it is, but teams will adjust during the game, it's easy to beat an aggressive fore check, but you need to be able to move the puck, that's why you see guys sitting at the dot some of the time.

Also to play a heavy forecheck, 60 minutes of the game is virtually impossible, the wear and tear, especially over 82 games, it will take a toll.

If the other team has solid possession, you can't over commit, etc,

Gotta run now, but there is a lot more to it than just chase the puck and hit people

 

[tny760]

well there ain't too many games left and it was effective so maybe its time to expend some energy

we're losing time for the "keep grinding" approach and i seem to remember anaheim running us through the boards with regularity when they consistently sent 2 forecheckers in

 

[justonetime]

You already conceded the point and I even bolded it so you would notice. You don't. Anyway have a good day and I'll let the Kings posters respond to your comments.

Good luck to the Kings the rest of the way and I hope again that you make the playoffs.

I also hope Drasaitl scores a hat trick tonight. He loves rolling the Ducks.

I'm pretty sure GoldenBear is a former goalie, and is therefore completely unable to have a reasonable conversation about goaltending.

I would agree with you that Quick was bad and has been bad for most of the year. It's telling that the King's backup goalies have better stats year after year. Quick almost seems to be the lynchpin to the unpredictability of this team.

 

[Sol]

On form alone I don't know how anybody can even justify Quicks position there. Again if he has his right pad in proper position, and not 2 feet inside his own net (why would you do that) he makes a pad stop on the Aberg chance. Aberg had a wide open cage there on that side because Quick is laughably IN the cage.

Talbot gets lots of criticism in Edmonton but his form is better and this goal wouldn't have occurred on him.

Oilers got far better goaltending on the night. It was the huge difference in the game.

People don't like to admit it around here, but Quicks goaltending is mediocre now. He let's in a soft goal a game. He doesn't win games by himself like he used to.


Hoping we find a replacement because we are not getting any help from him as it is.

You're spot on.

 

[deeshamrock]

I don't know if they fire Stevens after this season, one can argue that under him, Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty have had career seasons/back bounce seasons, etc.

They may change some of the personnel, strength and conditioning coaches, etc.

For me, that's being Sutter free, esp for Brown. I don't think that's STevens. Having been a fan of his from his Flyers coaching reign, I've been disappointed. But then again , the Flyers teams he had , had more top end talent on the first 3 lines.

I get that in the NHL, coaches have a short tenure, but 1 year, given the hand he was dealt, doesn't seem fair. I think he'll get next year and if they still fail, he'll get yanked. Tho, curious if Quenville is being canned (as has been in the rumor winds) they'd opt to hire him.

Also, I think the owners are well aware of the awful effect DL's last 3 yrs, had, esp pisisng away first round picks. Every time I see Kyle Conner, it hurts to think he should be a King.

As for strength and conditioning, they aren't kids, they know what they have to do. From what I've see it's mental, they're lazy and that goes back for 3 prior seasons. They wait until the 3rd period to show up. that's arrogant and it's cost them points. They don't look fatigued or tired when they are staging those 3rd period comebacks. And I'm tired of Brown and co saying post game 'we weren't ready' or 'we need to play a full 60'. It's been too many years, enough excuses.

They will have some new young blood on next year's team and I think they will make trades in the off season to improve.
The WC is tough and their division will only get tougher.
And next year, Doughty aside, their core is older and that's not a good recipe.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

People don't like to admit it around here, but Quicks goaltending is mediocre now. He let's in a soft goal a game. He doesn't win games by himself like he used to.


Hoping we find a replacement because we are not getting any help from him as it is.

You're spot on.

That's because this is absolute horseshit by the metrics and by the eyetest.

People don't like to admit it, but they have confirmation bias and are unable to admit when good things do happen.

I'll agree that Quick has been a roller coaster lately, but calling him mediocre is completely lacking perspective.

 

[Sol]

That's because this is absolute horse**** by the metrics and by the eyetest.

People don't like to admit it, but they have confirmation bias and are unable to admit when good things do happen.

Do you think he's as good as he used to be? Because according to many who are using the eye test, he's been ass. He's been bad and he's mediocre.
I thought he was great at the beginning of the season. But hes mediocre now.

Petersen hopefully takes the one spot soon.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do you think he's as good as he used to be? Because according to many who are using the eye test, he's been ass. He's been bad and he's mediocre.
I thought he was great at the beginning of the season. But hes mediocre now.

Petersen hopefully takes the one spot soon.

No, because no goaltender posts a .946 consistently. He's not the goalie he used to be in general, probably due to age and injuries, but he's still top-10 at worst.

The problem is that there are ebbs and flows to a season. At least you're able to acknowledge he was fire to start. Look at a guy like RInne for example who started like ass and is hot now. Who do you consider good goaltenders in this league? Because I can guarantee I can pull bad, mediocre, inconsistent stretches for any of them.

He's not the #1 goalie in the league and it's a volatile position. I just think your expectations are out of whack and it's on display in each and every GDT. I don't mind you calling him out when he's ass, but when you preemptively make two posts prior to each game wondering aloud how bad he's going to be...hell even in the Colorado GDT. You blew him up for letting in one goal. Goalies get scored on man, deal with it!

As an aside I think Petersen is gonna be a good one, my god, is that kid a stud. We may have struck gold there. But Quick isn't dead yet and there's no goalie in this league that's better when they're on top of their game.

 

[deeshamrock]

Yeah something was wrong. Carter missed 55 games.

Yes he did and I agree the 'threat' of Carter was a loss, he isn't the reason they are in this position. He has been on this team the prior 3 seasons when they failed. And since he's been back, they look pretty much are the same. I think it's too easy for too many Kings fans to use that as a crutch rather than hold a mirror in front of the rest of the team, esp who are supposed to be the leaders. Most teams have injuries and have to adjust. The other players step up or sometimes if it's a critical need (like the Flyers losing both goalies in a the span of a week) you have to make a trade.

They are treading quicksand again because they don't have depth and they're lazy. Far too many games this year, like the 3 before, they wait until the 3rd period to'wake up;'. That's arrogant and lack of leadership. Somebody on that team needs to get pissed off and call out the players who aren't contributing. That's where they miss guys like Mitchell and Williams, among others. They changed coaches, systems and still the same result,. That's on the players.

And they have talent that could have replaced the lost goals of Carter. Toffoli and Pearson should have been better, so should some of the others. They should have been able to replace the loss of Carter's goals. And they were shopping this year like last year for a top 6 winger but the price was too high. Given what's happened, I think they need to revisit what they think is a high price this summer. They are a good team with very few elite forwards. And the teams around them, have more and more coming. I think Vilardi will be a huge benefit for them next year as long as Stevens uses him correctly. He needs top 6 minutes to grow his game, don't bury him in the bottom line basement with 10 min a game.

But the lack of effort, or urgency in far too many games thru the first 2 periods, is the primary reason, once again, they're skating on thin ice.