GDT: GM#76 LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers @7:00

[Ziggy Stardust]

The fact that you think Kesler is a major star speakers volumes. He was a regulated third line center

If the Kings lost Lewis for half the season, people would be lamenting his loss. BTW, Kesler had 58 points last season. That’s more than what Kopitar has last year. The Ducks played without their #1 and #2 centers for most of the season and have just as many points as the Kings.

They have just as many excuses to use as a crutch.

 

[kingsfan28]

the remaining schedule isn't too bad:
VS CGY
VS ARZ (Jack Campbell)
@ ANA - 2nd of a back to back
VS COL
VS MIN
VS DAL

we could finish 4-1-1

Lets see what team shows up vs Calgary, the playoff contender that smoked the Avs or the team that lost tonight.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If the Kings lost Lewis for half the season, people would be lamenting his loss. BTW, Kesler had 58 points last season. That’s more than what Kopitar has last year. The Ducks played without their #1 and #2 centers for most of the season and have just as many points as the Kings.

They have just as many excuses to use as a crutch.

They did lose Lewis for a good portion.

Forget about Adam Henrique over there?

But ok yes they lost Getzlaf AND ARE IN THE SAME EXACT POSITION. But injuries don't affect things.... Smh

 

[Kingspiracy]

I wonder why our team is seemingly so slow to get into each game this year, the amount of early goals against is weird. We usually seem to be chasing the game. I know it's fashionable to bash on Quick, but he isn't the only man out there. Do they fall asleep during the anthems or something?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

They did lose Lewis for a good portion.

Forget about Adam Henrique over there?

But ok yes they lost Getzlaf AND ARE IN THE SAME EXACT POSITION. But injuries don't affect things.... Smh

Wouldn’t that mean the Ducks are a better team if they are able to sustain a playoff spot given what they’ve been through? Assuming they do make the playoffs.

Where would the Kings be without Kopitar and Carter?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

the remaining schedule isn't too bad:
VS CGY
VS ARZ (Jack Campbell)
@ ANA - 2nd of a back to back
VS COL
VS MIN
VS DAL

we could finish 4-1-1

actually i realized that ARZ COL MIN DAL are facing us on their 2nd game of a back to back, so that is very favorable for us, makes the Calgary game a must win though

all our homes games should be wins, then if ever we lose to Anaheim we would still most likely qualify

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

They did lose Lewis for a good portion.

Forget about Adam Henrique over there?

But ok yes they lost Getzlaf AND ARE IN THE SAME EXACT POSITION. But injuries don't affect things.... Smh

I don’t think anyone is saying the Carter injury didn’t affect the Kings, it’s just an excuse that doesn’t pass the eye test when several other playoff teams have dealt with major injuries. I mean just look at the Pacific, Vegas, San Jose, and Anaheim have all dealt with injuries to their star players but those teams continue to handle their business

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Ducks were without Getzlaf and Kesler for a majority of the season, yet they have the same amount of points as the Kings...

1. The Ducks are a better team, imo. So they should be better.

2. Ryan Getzlaf has played more than twice as many games as Jeff Carter, 49. Kesler has played 37. Jeff Carter has now played 21.

3. Still don't understand why people minimize the loss of Jeff Carter. This is a bubble team that relies heavily on Kopitar and Carter and either one being off shows. We all said when he went down that it would be a miracle to still be in a playoff spot when he got back, right? Well, we pulled off the miracle. Now we just have to see it through.

4. I will repeat for the cheap seats, any team losing a 60 point center struggles with the loss of that center. The Ducks struggled. The Sharks struggled. A Cup team completely missed the playoffs (TBL). Pick a team. They all hurt. Yes, injuries are part of the game, but a major injury to a bubble team shouldn't have a surprising effect, yet it's received as if it's some sort of hot take that this team could be 3-4 points better with a 60-point center all year. The Ducks were literally a bottom-five team before they got healthy.

There's no excuses at this point. Everyone is relatively healthy. We have a favorable schedule. If they falter now, yeah, bad things. And I hate the trend of losing to bottom-feeders at this time of year as much as anyone. But looking at the big picture, they had a good road trip, and have been playing at the pace they need to be since Carter's return, convincingly beating some great teams in the process. The idea that Carter isn't a difference maker is just complete garbage and it's annoying that people go out of their way to pretend injuries have no impact in the face of evidence much of which they present themselves.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wonder why our team is seemingly so slow to get into each game this year, the amount of early goals against is weird. We usually seem to be chasing the game. I know it's fashionable to bash on Quick, but he isn't the only man out there. Do they fall asleep during the anthems or something?

Yeah, I just don't get it. Especially since we've given up the first goal 2/3 of the time this year. It's a staggering stat, and you would think it's THE major problem. Like, go out of your way to fix that to the detriment of practically everything else and you'd solve a lot that's gone wrong. f***ing hypnotize guys if that's what it takes. Tell them the game starts at 630 and bag skate them for an hour, I don't care. Just do something. You can't go 70 games and not address that.

 

[Sol]

The Ducks were without Getzlaf and Kesler for a majority of the season, yet they have the same amount of points as the Kings...

Exactly that's a big deal.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

No matter the spin this is a big loss for the Kings. Didn't get a chance to watch it but it sucks. Kings remaining schedule is good, but it's volatile in the west right now.

According to sportsclub stats 98pts gives Kings 95+% chance of making it in. That's a 4-1-1 record or so (3-0-3 is another option). But 96pts still gives Kings 50+% chance of making it (3-2-1 = 69%, 1-0-5 = 50.1%). Kings still have an outside chance at 95 or 94 points, but they really need to turn it on here.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

It’s going to come down to the wire. The Kings haven’t made it easy on themselves by constantly bleeding points inside the conference.

 

[BigKing]

Classic. Think most of us saw this result coming after scoring 7.

How many wins do they have on Saturdays this year? Seems like they've been shitting on every weekend in 2018 except for a home win over Arizona.

 

[Kale Hulls]

Flames should be an easy two points, they gave up about a week ago.

 

[Pandaman11]

Flames should be an easy two points, they gave up about a week ago.

Just like Edmonton, Arizona, etc were easy? I feel like we only win against playoff contenders but choke against those who have nothing left to play for

 

[Pandaman11]

2015:


2018:


Deja-vu?

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Ducks were without Getzlaf and Kesler for a majority of the season, yet they have the same amount of points as the Kings...

Oilers fan here (sorry, I've posted here before and like the Kings) but the Ducks are NOT the same. Teams do not approach the Ducks the same way they play the Kings. The Kings invariably commonly see the opponents best game. 2 time SC winner gets that. Even years later because the Kings still have that nucleus of a team. So that Connor McDavid will see the Kings, Doughty, Kopitar, Carter in a completely different light then they will see any Ducks. The Oilers played one of their best games of the year last night. Sadly I don't know that they will match that tonight.

But Edmonton has been playing very well for several weeks and have been pretty good spoilers. This current Oilers team is better than their position in the standings indicates.

The Kings did a lot of things well last night. But when your goalie is staring games like Quick is often enough doing this season, and starting from the first minute, its much harder to get results. DUE to Quick (and he was horrible on every GA) the Kings were fighting uphill the entire game. Expending energy. The Oilers played well enough that the Kings could not overcome both the Oilers and one of Quicks bad games. This game could have just as easily been a 2-0 Kings win. The Oilers had around 6 scoring chances in the first two periods and Quick let in 3 of them and another hit the post.

I watch the kinGs enough that I figured from the first instance again that Quick was right off his form. I mean what's he even doing on the first goal? What goalie coach tells you to be so deep in your cage like that, and have one pad 2 feed inside the net? Quick lost his mind on that play and its been happening frequently to him. Somewhere along the line he started panicking and being shaky. He has a lot of difficulty starting games now. He seems almost always rattled early on. That was a horrendous goal and as Kings fans know he's been causing goals against early, often. His starts are bad.

 

[Drivesaitl]

One other comment. I'm sick of the NHL alignment and disparity meaning WC clubs have to be far better to earn a playoff spot. The Kings had 89pts and 7 games left last night and we're fighting desperately for a playoff spot. That's kind of ridiculous. In the EC the Kings would e comfortable with that amount of pts. 91 pts probably makes the playoffs in the EC. In the WC I fear the number being around 96. Doesn't help that teams that have made the playoffs already chronically lay down and rest at this time of year. It sucks that you guys spanked Colorado 7-1 (Kings are a much better team) but that it gets erased because the Knights are comfortable and gave Colorado 2 pts and you guys got the Oilers full spoilers effort. (ftr though we have beat the AV's twice down the stretch as well already)

 

[Frolov 6'3]

One other comment. I'm sick of the NHL alignment and disparity meaning WC clubs have to be far better to earn a playoff spot. The Kings had 89pts and 7 games left last night and we're fighting desperately for a playoff spot. That's kind of ridiculous. In the EC the Kings would e comfortable with that amount of pts. 91 pts probably makes the playoffs in the EC. In the WC I fear the number being around 96. Doesn't help that teams that have made the playoffs already chronically lay down and rest at this time of year. It sucks that you guys spanked Colorado 7-1 (Kings are a much better team) but that it gets erased because the Knights are comfortable and gave Colorado 2 pts and you guys got the Oilers full spoilers effort. (ftr though we have beat the AV's twice down the stretch as well already)

I think you hit the nail on the head. That said, Kings should still win vs. the Oilers.

It just drives me crazy that it is a constantly a horrible battle to get in compared with the EC and that for years already. The Kings missed the PO already with 96 points. Complete horse****.
Those constant one goal losses we are dealing with over the years. Seriously we must have had the most of all NHL teams the last 5 seasons.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The Kings did a lot of things well last night. But when your goalie is staring games like Quick is often enough doing this season, and starting from the first minute, its much harder to get results. DUE to Quick (and he was horrible on every GA) the Kings were fighting uphill the entire game. Expending energy. The Oilers played well enough that the Kings could not overcome both the Oilers and one of Quicks bad games. This game could have just as easily been a 2-0 Kings win. The Oilers had around 6 scoring chances in the first two periods and Quick let in 3 of them and another hit the post.

I watch the kinGs enough that I figured from the first instance again that Quick was right off his form. I mean what's he even doing on the first goal? What goalie coach tells you to be so deep in your cage like that, and have one pad 2 feed inside the net? Quick lost his mind on that play and its been happening frequently to him. Somewhere along the line he started panicking and being shaky. He has a lot of difficulty starting games now. He seems almost always rattled early on. That was a horrendous goal and as Kings fans know he's been causing goals against early, often. His starts are bad.

Gonna disagree with pretty much all of this,

The first goal, puck is up in the air, and is being tipped/ thrown towards the corner that Quick is covering, and as Reider falls, he slaps the puck to the other way to Aberg, who has nothing but an open net, no goaltender in the world is going to stop that on a bang bang play.

The second goal, pass from the point goes BEHIND the net, and Kopitar lets the best player in the world alone, and he has two cracks at it, nothing Quick is going to do about that.

The third goal, at first glance, everyone things, oh come on, etc, but CBC did a nice breakdown of it, no goaltender in the world thinks that MacDavid is gonna shoot that puck because he's not in a position to, puck is 4 feet in front of him, if you've ever played, you know that's not a good angle to get a shot off, let alone, one at full speed, that was just an absolute beauty of a play by MacDavid.

Quick stoned McDavid on a partial, he stoned Aberg on a beauty of a wrap around, he stoned Bear at the end of the 1st,

It was simply a put, a good hockey game where the Kings didn't get the bounces they need, bounces over Toffoli's stick, Thompson's shot needed to be about 4 inches lower, There was a deflection there that went left instead of right,

No one needs to be mad or upset, it was a GOOD hockey game, the problem is, people here give no credit to opposing teams, and if their team doesn't go 82-0, it must be because they suck.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I think Quick gave up 3 soft goals last night.

First goal: He cheated. Martinez was standing on the right already and Quick should just stay there where it happens and that was on the left. The goalscorer was in a more dangereous area than that other forward.
Second goal: The announcer said it already what he was doing. He just quit playing goalie.
Third goal: Can happen, but bad goal as well.

 

[Butch 19]

I wonder why our team is seemingly so slow to get into each game this year, the amount of early goals against is weird. We usually seem to be chasing the game. I know it's fashionable to bash on Quick, but he isn't the only man out there. Do they fall asleep during the anthems or something?

I know, I know... on last night's 1st edm wrap-around goal, I have never seen so much goal line exposed on a wrap-around attempt for an easy tap in. Quick was waaaay more out of position than usual.

But Pearson was 4 ft away from the goal post, just watching the goal get scored in front of him. If he had just stood next to the post he likely would have stopped the shot.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I think Quick gave up 3 soft goals last night.

First goal: He cheated. Martinez was standing on the right already and Quick should just stay there where it happens and that was on the left. The goalscorer was in a more dangereous area than that other forward.
Second goal: The announcer said it already what he was doing. He just quit playing goalie.
Third goal: Can happen, but bad goal as well.

I give up, it's like this board just has ZERO idea of the game itself,

It doesn't matter where Martinez was standing, the only thing that matters to a goaltender when the puck is behind the net, is what side, and he was playing it correctly, he wasn't cheating, the puck was going that way until Reider hit it as he fell back the other way on Aberg's stick.

If he had played that any different, and the puck comes in front, everyone would be yelling at him that he didn't play the puck, it's absolutely absurd the expectations from this board.

The second goal, he quit playing goaltender? What else was he supposed to do? Just curious, he's playing the point shot, the guy shoots it what, 4-5 feet wide to MacDavid who Kopitar has let loose, what exactly was your alternative plan there?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I know, I know... on last night's 1st edm wrap-around goal, I have never seen so much goal line exposed on a wrap-around attempt for an easy tap in. Quick was waaaay more out of position than usual.

But Pearson was 4 ft away from the goal post, just watching the goal get scored in front of him. If he had just stood next to the post he likely would have stopped the shot.

Wasn't a wrap-around, not even remotely close to what actually happened there, unfortunately Pearson was stuck in a rock and a hard spot, does he leave his point man to go cover a man on the off post, on the .0005% chance he gets the puck knocked to him on a fluke play? He does that, puck comes out of the corner to his man and they score there, then what?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think Quick gave up 3 soft goals last night.

First goal: He cheated. Martinez was standing on the right already and Quick should just stay there where it happens and that was on the left. The goalscorer was in a more dangereous area than that other forward.
Second goal: The announcer said it already what he was doing. He just quit playing goalie.
Third goal: Can happen, but bad goal as well.

Yep. Really agree with this. On the first goal Quick is cheating to Draisaitl's side. He's more worried about him than Aberg. But as you stated Martinez has that, Aberg on the other hand is wide open and Quick totally vacates that position and no reason to do so. ALSO and this is what frustrates me with Quicks present form his pad is 2 feet behind the goal line. Aberg tucks it right where Quicks pad would be if Quick even had the form to keep that pad on the line. Quick is already a tiny goalie and he's reverted to showing deep in net form and laughable that half of him is IN THE CAGE on that play. If he just retains form on the line he makes that stop on Aberg easy.

2nd The announcer nailed it. Quick is again confused on the play, rattled that he missed a play 5 secs before that nearly resulted in a goal, loses his balance and doesn't make the push across to hug Connor McDavid on the post. This is Connor McDavid and Quick is down and out and waving a stick at the play. May as well be a white flag. Both Aberg and McD were laughing at these goals on the bench. As they should.

3rd goal McD caught quick not prepared. This is Connor McD on a breakaway (he isn't even good at breakaways by his own admission) and Quick isn't set, isn't ready Connor notes that and quickly slots it home.

Quick made some other stops in the game that were good but these 3 were bad. His play on the Ty Rattie post was incredibly weak as well. Quick hasn't been his consistent self since injury. He has stinker games now where he really looks rattled and off his form. Even in the AV's game the first goal him swimming around the ice is a complete joke. He failed to grab the puck with his glove twice in the sequence, even pushing it out further and could have had an assist on the AV's first goal. He was suspect that whole period until he found his game. He starts bad.