GDT: GM#59 LA Kings vs Washington Capitals @7:30pm 2/18/19

[LAKings88]

Hagelin 99%
Amart 25%
Quick 10%

 

[AKAY47]

5 losses in a row after a pretty good roadie. This team man.

This is good. I wish they hadn't put up those points on the road trip, but keep embracing the tanking. It's the right direction.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Hagelin 99%
Amart 25%
Quick 10%

If I were a gambling man I'd say Hagelin and Leipsic are both 100% gone.

Low key Fantenberg may be on the move as well.

 

[Fat Elvis]

On the Kings recent road trip they scored their fair share of goals and the games were pretty entertaining too.

You think they're making progress, then as soon as they get on home ice they're back too being anemic.

Carter is back. Toffoli goes MIA and the 2nd line is breasts on a bull. Carter is really bad.

 

[tny760]

If I were a gambling man I'd say Hagelin and Leipsic are both 100% gone.

Low key Fantenberg may be on the move as well.

i think fantenberg is one of the guys you hold onto personally. he's not lighting the world on fire but he's dirt cheap and plays NHL level defense

i don't think hagelin's done anything to warrant pulling a trade, same for leipsic as much as i like them both

 

[KingsHockey24]

i think fantenberg is one of the guys you hold onto personally. he's not lighting the world on fire but he's dirt cheap and plays NHL level defense

i don't think hagelin's done anything to warrant pulling a trade, same for leipsic as much as i like them both

Exactly why teams would want Fants as a #7 guy.

 

[redcard]

If I were a gambling man I'd say Hagelin and Leipsic are both 100% gone.

Low key Fantenberg may be on the move as well.

Leipsic was a waiver pick up, can't trade him this year without offering him for free to any other team that made a claim.

 

[tny760]

Exactly why teams would want Fants as a #7 guy.

but realistically what are you gonna get for a guy like him? a 2nd or 3rd rounder maybe? i feel like there might be more benefit to signing him to say, a 2 year contract for <$1M aav and potentially getting more value out of someone like martinez on the market

 

[fsanford]

Is he giving out free handjobs in the locker room or something, cuz his on ice performance hasn't been helping lately

The goal is #1 pick right? I think he has contributed to this greatly

 

[KingsFan7824]

but realistically what are you gonna get for a guy like him? a 2nd or 3rd rounder maybe? i feel like there might be more benefit to signing him to say, a 2 year contract for <$1M aav and potentially getting more value out of someone like martinez on the market

You can easily trade both. If someone wants Fantenberg for a 3rd, you hand him over. He's going to be 28 in Oct. He has no potential. He has no upside.

 

[tny760]

You can easily trade both. If someone wants Fantenberg for a 3rd, you hand him over. He's going to be 28 in Oct. He has no potential. He has no upside.

i mean obviously i don't expect him to "develop" into anything, he's definitely what he's gonna be at this point

it's moreso keeping SOMEONE competent around for the rebuild.. can't really throw doughty out there with say, roy, get shitkicked every game and expect any of the kids to develop

 

[Fishhead]

i mean obviously i don't expect him to "develop" into anything, he's definitely what he's gonna be at this point

it's moreso keeping SOMEONE competent around for the rebuild.. can't really throw doughty out there with say, roy, get ****kicked every game and expect any of the kids to develop

Doughty is already being rolled out with Forbort. He's better than Roy obviously, but he's a bottom pairing guy who is being thrown on the first pairing. I would just pull a DL and bring in a couple journeymen (ala Handzus) to help out the younger players.

 

[KingsHockey24]

but realistically what are you gonna get for a guy like him? a 2nd or 3rd rounder maybe? i feel like there might be more benefit to signing him to say, a 2 year contract for <$1M aav and potentially getting more value out of someone like martinez on the market

He's a UFA.

We can sign him in the Summer.

 

[Fishhead]

This is good. I wish they hadn't put up those points on the road trip, but keep embracing the tanking. It's the right direction.

I'm just glad they picked a direction and stuck with it.

 

[kingsholygrail]

How is it that teams haven't learned how to defend this yet?? Ovechkin was left wide open to play patty-cake with the d-man before he decided to shoot.

Kings actually used to be real good at shutting him down.

 

[AzKing]

Carter is back. Toffoli goes MIA and the 2nd line is breasts on a bull. Carter is really bad.

I'm concerned that Carter just looks like he has lost it all around. I hope that this isn't the case and it's just a bad point in time for him but some guys don't age well and we are stuck with a $5.275 cap hit for 3 more years.

 

[fsanford]

I'm concerned that Carter just looks like he has lost it all around. I hope that this isn't the case and it's just a bad point in time for him but some guys don't age well and we are stuck with a $5.275 cap hit for 3 more years.

It's like we got Columbus Carter now he doesn't feel like playing because team is not good. Maybe he has some lingering injuries, and is just not mailing it in.

 

[lumbergh]

If I were a gambling man I'd say Hagelin and Leipsic are both 100% gone.

Low key Fantenberg may be on the move as well.

Fantenberg has changed my mind. I used to have a pretty low opinion of him, but he’s a pretty decent bottom pairing player. The Kings won’t get anything of value for him,
so might as well hang on to him.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Got it. You’re saying the Kings can’t find talent outside of the top 10, despite plenty of examples being available of sub-top 10 picks who are among the top scorers in the league today, like a Pastrnak or Barzal or Connor or Gaudreau or Point or Giroux, need I go on?

If a team that seldom has a first round pick keeps missing on the ones they do have, that isn’t setting up the team for success down the road. That’s a recipe for disaster and failure. Hence, the results we’ve been witnessing for the past five years.

No, I’m saying the Kings’ batting average is more or less the same as everyone else outside the top ten. The issue is the Kings didn’t even have enough at bats for too many years in a row.

Here are some other #10-30 Blues picks. Keep in mind this ignores the #30-60 range, in which Kings recent history is far more successful:

2007: Ian Cole, #18
2009: David Rundblad, #17
2012: Jordan Schmaltz, #25
2016: Tage Thompson, #26

The Blues had a great draft in 2010, nabbing both Schwartz and Tarasenko outside of the top ten.

The Kings had a great draft in 2007, nabbing Simmonds, Martinez, and King outside of the top ten, all of whom directly contributed to one or both Cup wins.

Hits and misses. That’s the draft.

 

[Herby]

No, I’m saying the Kings’ batting average is more or less the same as everyone else outside the top ten. The issue is the Kings didn’t even have enough at bats for too many years in a row.

Here are some other #10-30 Blues picks. Keep in mind this ignores the #30-60 range, in which Kings recent history is far more successful:

2007: Ian Cole, #18
2009: David Rundblad, #17
2012: Jordan Schmaltz, #25
2016: Tage Thompson, #26

The Blues had a great draft in 2010, nabbing both Schwartz and Tarasenko outside of the top ten.

The Kings had a great draft in 2007, nabbing Toffoli, Martinez, and King outside of the top ten, all of whom directly contributed to one or both Cup wins.

Hits and misses. That’s the draft.

Toffoli was drafted in 2010, and has been the Kings best draft pick since Doughty (yikes)

And it's not as if you have to hit every year, your Blues example of 2010 is perfect, if the Kings had been able to find one Tarasenko type player between 2008 and now things are likely a lot different for the Kings than they have been the past 5 years.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Toffoli was drafted in 2010, and has been the Kings best draft pick since Doughty (yikes)

And it's not as if you have to hit every year, your Blues example of 2010 is perfect, if the Kings had been able to find one Tarasenko type player between 2008 and now things are likely a lot different for the Kings than they have been the past 5 years.

Excuse me; substitute Simmonds for Toffoli. That’s whom I meant. I’ll edit that original post.

And yes, the Kings needed to hit on just one post-top 10 pick between the Doughty draft and now, and they didn’t. If Lombardi wasn’t throwing away 1sts on players like Lucic, our odds obviously increase.

2013, 2015, and 2016 were awful draft years for the Kings, primarily because we couldn’t even pick until #40+. Most scouting departments aim for one consistent NHLer out of every draft pool. 2013 will likely result in none for the Kings.

If Wagner and Clague turn into regulars, 2015 and 2016 will hurt less.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Fantenberg has changed my mind. I used to have a pretty low opinion of him, but he’s a pretty decent bottom pairing player. The Kings won’t get anything of value for him,
so might as well hang on to him.

I agree. The guy has been playing top 4 since the Muzzin deal and hasn't looked out of place. I think they should re-up Fantenberg in a 2 yr deal. The young LHD just aren't ready and it would give them another season and a half in Ontario. He's far from being the problem with the Kings.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Tell that to BigKing and his love for MacDermid and hate for Fantenberg.

Said this about Fantenberg already since last season.
He is no world beater but is definitely serviceable.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Fantenberg has actually been the most improved since last season.

Not saying he's anything other than a 5/6, but like Muzzin's last couple of months on the squad, I have liked his game.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some uplifting news!

These losses are taking a toll

The looks on the faces of Campbell and Alex Iafallo after the game were that of a franchise circling the drain on a season.

Campbell was down and kicking himself. Iafallo looked worn and mentioned that “it’s an emotional toll on us.”

The painful part of transitioning into the future is that the present can be so uncomfortable, particularly for an organization relegated to playing out the string after it worked so hard for so long to integrate a winning culture.

The Kings should be better in the long run by getting a high draft pick, perhaps No. 1, if it plays out that way. In the meantime, they’ll have to endure at least a few more nights like Monday.