GDT: GM #45 LA kings vs Pittsburgh Penguins @7:00

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's a lose-lose. They take a big swing (Hickey, Teubert) and miss, and we have to hear about it in every thread for a decade, despite having won two cups since. Complainers just love to complain, no stopping it. Swing and miss, complain, play it safe and don't get teh 40 goal scorer, complain. Lather, rinse, repeat.

You complain too much about complainers. Get off your high horse. Seems like dissenting opinions hurts feelings.

It’s rather funny to see how defensive one can get when simple facts are brought up. Bless your bleeding heart.

 

[KINGS17]

And it’s still a terrible move unless we’re actually moving other pieces, as well.

Trading Carter for picks/prospects does nothing in a vacuum other than further cement this team in the black hole.

If we’re moving Carter, Doughty, and several other core players for a full rebuild, then sure. But moving Carter alone accomplishes nothing.

We’re witnessing right now what a Carter-less but otherwise intact core is capable of: the black hole.

I disagree. You don't have to move Doughty. Doughty should only be traded if he doesn't re-sign this summer.

The Kings for better or worse are married to Kopitar now so he isn't going anywhere unless he wants out. This team won't be in a position to contend again for several seasons. Carter is the best asset, along with Muzzin, the Kings have to get younger and better faster.

I like Jeff Carter as a player and a leader, but keeping around until he is 35-36 years old doesn't make sense to me when the Kings will not be contending during that time. Move him now and get some assets which will be contributing over the long haul, starting in a few seasons.

 

[KINGS17]

Trading Carter now isn't a good move if the ownership is still in a win now mode. Carter is a low cost fwd that can mentor the rookies.If owners are in a rebuild and not chasing playoffs then again core needs to be moved.

What can I tell you? They should re-think this.

 

[Bandit]

You complain too much about complainers. Get off your high horse. Seems like dissenting opinions hurts feelings.

It’s rather funny to see how defensive one can get when simple facts are brought up. Bless your bleeding heart.

You say that frequently to a lot of different people. Guess what the only common thread is? And I'm not defensive, just bored with the constant negativity. Then again, I've been called a miserable person for saying there was plenty to be happy about. Only in a world of fake news and alternate facts...

If not consistently pissing and moaning about how the kings didn't win, who they traded, who they didn't trade, who they traded for, what they could have done with the draft pick they used on the guy they traded for makes me "miserable" well... too bad. I watch this team for entertainment, and there's nothing entertaining about finding joy in something you allegedly care about failing, losing, and sucking.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I’ve seen you continuously pull this shtick with other posters as well. I’m not the one in here acting petulantly and pointing my finger at other posters.

It’s as if dissenting thoughts can’t be expressed on a message board...

If you want a safe space, go start your own board where you can hold hands with other myopic lemmings who think alike.

And I don’t take any joy in seeing this team suck. Why the f*** do you think some of us are upset with this team that is on the verge of missing the playoffs for the third time in four years? I’m sorry, I prefer not to bury my head in the sand.

 

[Bandit]

I’ve seen you continuously pull this shtick with other posters as well. I’m not the one in here acting petulantly and pointing my finger at other posters.

It’s as if dissenting thoughts can’t be expressed on a message board...

If you want a safe space, go start your own board where you can hold hands with other myopic lemmings who think alike.

And I don’t take any joy in seeing this team suck. Why the **** do you think some of us are upset with this team that is on the verge of missing the playoffs for the third time in four years? I’m sorry, I prefer not to bury my head in the sand.

Frankly? Because you have nothing else in your lives worth more to focus on.

This is a game. It's supposed to be entertaining. I'm glad that at least you finally admit that it's upsetting you instead of the tired nonsense where there's 900 posts pissing about how the Kings didn't draft Francis Bubbletrousers only to then say "I'm not mad, nobody's whining here". It's not about "Dissenting thoughts". It's about not being able to see anything but the negative, and if you taking Kempe passing a rookie milestone as an opportunity to shit on the Kings organization AGAIN for the millionth time isn't a wakeup call for the constant negativity, nothing will be.

I'm sorry, but remember: you asked.

 

[damacles1156]

Honestly Ziggy.

If you're are going to complain about Kings drafting, you constantly over look and never mention 2003. That is a draft to complain about. The Kings missed potential HOF hockey players while having three first round picks.

Worst draft ever in the history of the franchise, something to actually complain about.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Honestly Ziggy.

If you're are going to complain about Kings drafting, you constantly over look and never mention 2003. That is a draft to complain about. The Kings missed potential HOF hockey players while having three first round picks.

Worst draft ever in the history of the franchise, something to actually complain about.

2003 was 15 years ago. Given the current state of the team and the lack of depth throughout the organization, how can one not acknowledge the fact that this team has had average draft results over the past number of years?

Especially when they were once heralded for having great finds beyond the first round. When’s the last time that happened? Eight years ago.

 

[damacles1156]

2003 was 15 years ago. Given the current state of the team and the lack of depth throughout the organization, how can one not acknowledge the fact that this team has had average draft results over the past number of years?

Especially when they were once heralded for having great finds beyond the first round. When’s the last time that happened? Eight years ago.

I have said Futa/Lombardi drafting has sucked since 2012. You're are asking the wrong person.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have said Futa/Lombardi drafting has sucked since 2012. You're are asking the wrong person.

Oh I know, I have no dispute for you. But we have the same handful of excuse makers who can’t own up to facts.

They should rightfully be scrutinized. The lack of player development is showing, and it’s been evident for the past few years now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Oh I know, I have no dispute for you. But we have the same handful of excuse makers who can’t own up to facts.

They should rightfully be scrutinized. The lack of player development is showing, and it’s been evident for the past few years now.

As has been demonstrated ample times, it's more to do with lack of picks and moving of assets than anything. It takes time to pull that together.

As also has been demonstrated ample times, the Kings have still had average drafting at worst by any metric--games in NHL, points in NHL, and so on. Especially given the number of picks and the number of HIGH picks.

Obviously to reconcile our results with that we need stellar drafting to replenish the pipeline and a sagging team.

I also asked you once upon a time to give me a list of stellar drafting teams with which to compare and the only one that stood up to the test was Tampa Bay and that was only due to one outlier (incredible) draft.

If you want to bash an unnamed group of posters because they aren't facing the facts...again, the irony is you're bashing yourself. This is a pattern. You can have an opinion without flaming, I strongly suggest you start doing that without attacking groups of posters. That goes for everyone.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Predators, Ducks, Flames, in recent times the Devils, Blues, Isles... these are teams drafting and bringing up players who can contribute in pivotal roles. The Pens have brought up a lot of young talent. The Blackhawks have as well.

Drafting the Shores and Andreoffs and Cliffords outside of the first round isn’t something that should be celebrated. Sure, it’s better than nothing, but this team is spinning its wheels because of a lack of quality.

You know who else is considered strong drafting teams based on games played? The Habs and Sabres, and you see where that’s gotten them.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Predators, Ducks, Flames, in recent times the Devils, Blues, Isles... these are teams drafting and bringing up players who can contribute in pivotal roles. The Pens have brought up a lot of young talent. The Blackhawks have as well.

Drafting the Shores and Andreoffs and Cliffords outside of the first round isn’t something that should be celebrated. Sure, it’s better than nothing, but this team is spinning its wheels because of a lack of quality.

You know who else is considered strong drafting teams based on games played? The Habs and Sabres, and you see where that’s gotten them.

Those are also teams who haven't won and haven't given up the aforementioned assets TO win. Which was my bigger point--it requires context. And most of those players you're likely mentioning haven't actually outperformed our draft picks--minus lottery/high picks like Barzal, Lindholm. Pick one, and I'll be happy to analyze their drafts tomorrow. I think you'll be surprised how it matches up.

Actually, yes, drafting good NHLers out of the first round should be celebrated. They haven't hit any big home runs recently, but it's a fallacy to suggest we should be nailing Jamie Benns and Datsyuks every draft. We've found great depth players--which was obviously a draft philosophy for a while. Get the steady guy.

And to the last point, would you say they've drafted poorly? Or that they've been poorly managed? A lot of those guys are getting NHL games because there's no one else on the roster of quality...we were forcing guys off the roster because we had a Cup team.

I think the biggest turd of a pick this team has made is Gibson and that one looks even worse given we had no first that year. Became sort of a throwaway draft which makes everything else look more miserable than it should imo.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I disagree. You don't have to move Doughty. Doughty should only be traded if he doesn't re-sign this summer.

The Kings for better or worse are married to Kopitar now so he isn't going anywhere unless he wants out. This team won't be in a position to contend again for several seasons. Carter is the best asset, along with Muzzin, the Kings have to get younger and better faster.

I like Jeff Carter as a player and a leader, but keeping around until he is 35-36 years old doesn't make sense to me when the Kings will not be contending during that time. Move him now and get some assets which will be contributing over the long haul, starting in a few seasons.

I don’t know, man. That’s a tough one. I don’t know how much a nearing-the-end-of-his-prime Carter is worth to other teams. Surely other teams see exactly what you do; a 35-36 year old Carter is not worth all that much.

So what do we realistically get in a trade? Some high picks, plus a blue chipper? How does that help the team now or in the future? Again, a Carter-less team is basically permanent black hole according to this season.

 

[Sol]

Oh no doubt the Kings were blowing ass with drafting. Kings took on way too many projects.

Also they traded away too many picks.

I think you can easily blame DL for the awful drafting and lack of talent.

 

[LAKings88]

DL took huge risk on Sekera and Lucic. I see why. Heck, they had a good regular season with Lucic. Sekera is actually a missing element right now. Just mortgaged two top picks on guys that walked away. Sekera only played a handful of games at that. This team is not high flying. None of these guys are game breakers. The PP has also never had a true quality point QB, which I don’t consider DD to be.

 

[SlimCharles]

The Lucic trade did a lot of damage. At the time I was very pleased with it, I'll admit. But wow, when Boston decided to trade Jones to the Sharks that's when I got that uneasy feeling. **** that trade.

 

[LAKings88]

I think most realized Lucic was a rental the minute he was acquired. Hard to see Connor, Barzal, and Konecny, still on the board. At least we didn’t pull a Boston.

 

[LAKings88]

Jones going to SJ was bad bad bad for LA.

 

[deaderhead28]

Blake can right this ship without trading Carter or Muzzin.This team is a competitive on paper if they just fill the two needs.This attitude some of my buds who I agree with 99% of the time on other subjects I don't agree with that this core is done and we should trade Carter or Muzzin.We've young talent coming up next year and need a cheap contract like Carters skill set and veteran leadership cause Doughty is no leader, he's a child.Kopi is indeed a contract we're stuck with.Gabs should retire in the next two years he has his cup.Mayor was on the NHL channel this morning singing the same thing Ive been saying,the 2012 roster had the right fit and mix of players on it.This team doesn't.Blake has Pearson,Ladue,Mersch,Brodzinski and draft picks to fill some holes.

 

[kingsfan28]

Jones going to SJ was bad bad bad for LA.

Trading for Lucic was a bad bad bad thing for LA. The trickle down effect will last a decade. As bad as asset management as you can get.

 

[Herby]

Honestly Ziggy.

If you're are going to complain about Kings drafting, you constantly over look and never mention 2003. That is a draft to complain about. The Kings missed potential HOF hockey players while having three first round picks.

Worst draft ever in the history of the franchise, something to actually complain about.

This draft cost Taylor his job and was one of the dark days in franchise history. Feel bad for Taylor because 2 years later they made the picks that were the foundation for 2 cup teams but 2003 did him in.

And curious how anyone could consider the drafting of Colten Tuebert to be a “big swing” the guys upside was as a physical third pair defender and his downside was the ECHL and German league.

No issue with Hickey pick, even Forbort you could say there was maybe some offensive upside that could have come out. Tuebert was the worst pick in franchise history, a player taken that high who couldn’t even consistently crack an AHL lineup.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

Trading for Lucic was a bad bad bad thing for LA. The trickle down effect will last a decade. As bad as asset management as you can get.

Obviously my hindsight is 20/20 here but it would sure be nice to have a young player like Barzal or Connor right now. I think we all knew that trade was a huge risk at the time and it blew up in Lombardi’s face

 

[kingsfan28]

This draft cost Taylor his job and was one of the dark days in franchise history. Feel bad for Taylor because 2 years later they made the picks that were the foundation for 2 cup teams but 2003 did him in.

And curious how anyone could consider the drafting of Colten Tuebert to be a “big swing” the guys upside was as a physical third pair defender and his downside was the ECHL and German league.

No issue with Hickey pick, even Forbort you could say there was maybe some offensive upside that could have come out. Tuebert was the worst pick in franchise history, a player taken that high who couldn’t even consistently crack an AHL lineup.

Yeah, even years later Lombardi admitted that was the wrong pick and he wasn't the BPA. He even joked about what it would be like having both Doughty and Karlsson.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Who the hell considered Teubert a big swing?

I figured that was about as consensus "terrible pick" as it could get around here.