Post-Game Talk: GM 44 | Kings def. Canucks | 5-1 (Hughes) | Big F Word.

[Hansen]

Vincent Desharnais doesnt even use his hands to fight, never mind play hockey. Absolutely nothing there with this player

 

[me2]

If team could be clinically depressed, this one sure looks it.

 

[Jay26]

Someone already said it - here or on twitter, I can't remember - and I thought it was a good point: One of the many ways you can tell something is really wrong beyond the hockey side of things is Boeser stinking it up in a contract year. You don't often see players do this. This is his livelihood. What happened that Boeser can't give it his all this season for a big contract?

 

[Szechwan]

If this continues, then we collective relinquished our rights to bitch about Hughes wanting to leave for NJD.

Or...EDM.

Honestly this is my biggest concern.

I can get on board with the team seeing all the bad luck and weird circumstances and just packing it up for next year, but that is just one more year of Hughes' deal ticking away without any success.

 

[F A N]

Bruce Boudreau was fired Jan 22nd 2023.

Ya well high standards have since been set and culture has changed though.

 

[David71]

I know this teams personnel is not great this year but a lot of this falls on coaching. You can’t be last in the league for shots per game and not be coached that way. This team is going nowhere with Tocchet behind the bench. The problem is who is the alternative?

gerard galllant. but NO this team should not be allowed to use the get out of jail coaching card again. 4 coaches in 5 years? hell NO. its the core. just let tocheet go this offseason where more choices will be more in the summer. trade everyone except hughes hronek sherwood garland

At least those games were somewhat entertaining. This current brand of Canucks’ hockey is unwatchable.

id take bruce boudreau everyday over tocchett hockey. scoring more goals is fun than playing low even 1-0 dump and chase.

 

[David71]

There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again

 

[Rick Rocket]

Someone already said it - here or on twitter, I can't remember - and I thought it was a good point: One of the many ways you can tell something is really wrong beyond the hockey side of things is Boeser stinking it up in a contract year. You don't often see players do this. This is his livelihood. What happened that Boeser can't give it his all this season for a big contract?

He missed games with a headshot earlier this year and hasn't been the same since. It sucks as it's a possibility that he may not even get his game back. The team has a massive need for a good defenseman, and resigning him shouldn't happen. At the very least we need speed on the wings. He's gotta be traded ASAP instead of letting him walk.

 

[David71]

oilers will destroy this team saturday. maybe miller gets scratcheed...? team loses again. 5-2 mcdavid and draistial combine for 7 pts.

 

[valkynax]

Ya well high standards have since been set and culture has changed though.

Tocchet won Jack Adams, and while he's far from perfect, he was also dealt a shit hand. He'll likely survive the season.

Our front office members are usually quite aggressive when it comes to correcting mistakes. Now, they've been sitting on their asses doing nothing.

Given how our PR department is likely ran by a bunch of lobotomized monkeys, I expect nothing to happen.

What to see the team healthy? Well, they're about to witness a healthy team getting nuked into oblivion by EDM twice before the end of January.

oilers will destroy this team saturday. maybe miller gets scratcheed...? team loses again. 5-2 mcdavid and draistial combine for 7 pts.

Triple hat trick by McD, Draisaitl, and Podkolzin.

We get one goal from Pete, because you know...moral victory.


EDIT: A competent PR team would suggest the front office come out with a statement of some kind by this point. It doesn't have to disclose your team ops strategies, nor does it even have to be factually accurate. When the team is free falling like this after the Reign of Error's supposed conclusion, you're suppose to give them something, anything. If Mr. Clean and Moleman does not figure out what to do very quickly, next game it's VERY possible that there will be multiple jerseys tossed on the ice.

 

[David71]

dont forget they have ice and dice event on sunday evening too...

 

[valkynax]

dont forget they have ice and dice event on sunday evening too...

I predict jeers and jerseys on ice.

Yes, jerseyS, plural.

 

[David71]

I predict jeers and jerseys on ice.

Yes, jerseyS, plural.

a jersey will be thrown on saturday if they lose guaranteed.

 

[valkynax]

a jersey will be thrown on saturday if they lose guaranteed.

By the end of 1st period we'll likely be down by at least 4 goals.

 

[David71]

By the end of 1st period we'll likely be down by at least 4 goals.

mcdavid puts up 2 goals in the first and the rest will be completed by the end of the 2nd period. boobirds will commence fans will leave.

 

[PG Canuck]

This should be a good lesson (but it won’t) that one year doesn’t make a team or determine how good a management or coaching group is.

They were lucky to draw the Preds last year. They were lucky the PDO train never fell off the tracks last year.

Any Canucks team coached to average 20 shots a game isn’t worth my time. Such chickenshit hockey from Tocchet. Boring boring boring.

Allvin and Tocchet both deemed geniuses. Now what? Neither seem to have any answers and are both responsible for this mess.

Haven’t been around to read how people feel on current management, but if Benning built this team, with the team playing like shit and two stars acting like 5 year olds who won’t diffuse this situation…what’s the narrative?

I have no idea how to feel about current management. Last year was great and all but it was incredibly PDO driven to me that it’s hard to truly credit them yet, until we see it consistently that they can be a contender.

Miller and Pettersson situation needs to be dealt with, whatever that looks like I really don’t care anymore. The way Marchand handled their situation is admirable and makes you believe there are big issues between these two babies.

People here last year sure loved to float the idea of Draisaitl leaving Edmonton but we better hope Hughes doesn’t walk. We will be f***ed beyond your imagination.

 

[EpochLink]

dont forget they have ice and dice event on sunday evening too...

There gonna fake smile through that shit so badly, in face someone will air out some dirty laundry about someone.

 

[DFAC]

Trade everyone not named Hughes. Sick of watching these bums play.

 

[kanucks25]

That may have been worst game I've ever seen Boeser play. Could not make a pass to save his life and then took a horrible penalty when he replaced Garland on the power-play after being taken off the 1st unit for the PP prior.

Miller wasn't much better. Dude is a complete liability right now. Even on the one shift where he tried to skate hard for a line-change, it was terrible timing for a change as the Kings were already attacking in transition and it led to another goal against. His play to dump it into the corner to nobody for no reason and then not go back to cover the guy coming out of the box was comical.

Pettersson continues to be a non-factor offensively. He's not a liability like Miller - albeit in both games since his "Selke" performance in Toronto a goal has been scored against where you can put a lot of the blame on him - but it looks like he no longer possesses any NHL level physical attributes: weak, slow, and has magically lost both his skill and shot. That play on the partial 3-on-2 where he got caught up to and spun out like a helicopter going down was a microcosm of his play over the last 11 months or so.

Way too many games this season where the top guys have at best no-showed and at worst been the reason we lost. If you think Tocchet is a bad coach fine, but that's a separate argument. These guys have looked like shit for long stretches under several coaches now. So fire the coach if you want, but it'll accomplish nothing unless you fix the core as well.

 

[bossram]

Well, the bright side is this is probably rock bottom. Can't get much worse!

And at this point, they're probably forcing management to change direction. Miller has completely sulked his way out now.

 

[F A N]

Tocchet won Jack Adams, and while he's far from perfect, he was also dealt a shit hand. He'll likely survive the season.

Our front office members are usually quite aggressive when it comes to correcting mistakes. Now, they've been sitting on their asses doing nothing.

I do think Tocchet will survive the season and I wouldn't be surprised if he is brought back on a two year deal with an option for example. That is unless Mike Sullivan is available.

As for management being aggressive, I think if you go over our discussions over the years, most of us think that it's not easy to go out and acquire a top 4 defenseman without overpaying. Rutherford has a pretty good track record but I'm not a fan of relying on good management/scouting being able to simply replace guys. I prefer retaining players when we find one that fits.

 

[VanJack]

A caller on the post-game show made a valid point.....last off-season the Canucks brought in nine UFA's, if you count Brannstrom who arrived via the waiver wire.

That's far too much roster turnover for a team that fancies itself a contender. Sure the underperforming top players are one of the biggest reasons for their plight right now.

But when you have to go out and sign that many UFA's, it means you're simply not drafting and developing players who can come in on ELC's and legitimately challenge for a spot in the lineup.

Let's be brutally honest here. Guys like Di Giuseppe, Heinen, Suter, Bluger, Desharnais, Forbort, Soucy, and even Lankinen and Joshua are 'journeyman players' . Some of them are capable of having one big year, but their careers have been also marked by healthy scratches, being exposed on waivers and even sent to the minors. These are the kind of late-20's guys that an expansion team would draft in their first season.

The Canucks have a serious 'age-gap' problem. They have mid-20's players like Hughes, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hronek; and guys pushing 32 like J.T. Miller who are supposed to be carrying the team. But they've got nothing on either side of them--older and younger.

Just not a lineup built to be a legitimate contender.

 

[F A N]

Someone already said it - here or on twitter, I can't remember - and I thought it was a good point: One of the many ways you can tell something is really wrong beyond the hockey side of things is Boeser stinking it up in a contract year. You don't often see players do this. This is his livelihood. What happened that Boeser can't give it his all this season for a big contract?

Boeser benefits from his teammates' playmaking and that hasn't been there but Boeser had 6 goals 11 points in 11 games prior to suffering a concussion. Garland had his worst season as a Canuck when he suffered a concussion early on. Concussion injuries can have a serious impact on one's game.

A caller on the post-game show made a valid point.....last off-season the Canucks brought in nine UFA's, if you count Brannstrom who arrived via the waiver wire.

That's far too much roster turnover for a team that fancies itself a contender. Sure the underperforming top players are one of the biggest reasons for their plight right now.

But when you have to go out and sign that many UFA's, it means you're simply not drafting and developing players who can come in on ELC's and legitimately challenge for a spot in the lineup.

That is a good point but the additions aside from DeBrusk are more in supportive roles (goalies don't matter as much). The bigger problem is having Soucy and Myers as the 2nd pairing with an ineffective 3rd pairing.

Let's be brutally honest here. Guys like Di Giuseppe, Heinen, Suter, Bluger, Desharnais, Forbort, Soucy, and even Lankinen and Joshua are 'journeyman players' . Some of them are capable of having one big year, but their careers have been also marked by healthy scratches, being exposed on waivers and even sent to the minors. These are the kind of late-20's guys that an expansion team would draft in their first season.

Actually aside from Desharnais and to a lesser extent Heinan, these guys are veterans with fairly consistent play the past 2-3 years. Forbort was in decline before we acquired him.

The Canucks have a serious 'age-gap' problem. They have mid-20's players like Hughes, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hronek; and guys pushing 32 like J.T. Miller who are supposed to be carrying the team. But they've got nothing on either side of them--older and younger.

Just not a lineup built to be a legitimate contender.

I'm not sure why we would want older guys but the UFA additions are in the 27-29 year old age range with Forbort being older. That's pretty typical and ideal for UFAs.

I don't think we have an age gap problem with our best players being in their mid 20s + 31 year old Miller. I do think having younger energy/enthusiasm helps and that's why I have been against the Podkolzin trade. But since we're not getting production out of Pods (who has been traded) and Hoglander and nothing from our 2020 and 2021 drafts, were relying on Lekkerimaki who is maybe a year too young.

 

[Flik]

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Someone already said it - here or on twitter, I can't remember - and I thought it was a good point: One of the many ways you can tell something is really wrong beyond the hockey side of things is Boeser stinking it up in a contract year. You don't often see players do this. This is his livelihood. What happened that Boeser can't give it his all this season for a big contract?

The concussion?