GDT: Gm#26 9-Dec-22 PIT @ BUF 7pm MSG-B, WGR55, ESPN8 "The Ocho"

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I thought that was going to be one to remember. Ugh, got to have more control than that Skinner.

I understand why Skinner lost his shirt. Guentzel hacks the goalie, Skinner confronts, the get the sticks up, and then as they separate Guentzel pole-axes Skinner in an unprotected area, and he's noticeably hurt by it, and he's thinking "you dink it up on my goalie, and then that? Oh, no you don't, I'm feeding you composite."

I get it. But you know how the league goes, and you're going to pay for the other guy's transgressions, especially when they wear that sweater.

At least we can look back on fonder memories:

 
Growing pains.. Young teams arent gonna get calls
I expect it to improve. We’ll become more experienced and get a reputation as a “good” team and then magically we will start getting the calls. It isn’t a conspiracy against the Sabres specifically.

You even see it in the NFL. During the Bills playoff drought they got screwed by the refs. Now that they are a top team they get favorable calls. It is what it is.
 
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Honestly I saw Skinner with two for a slash, two for a cross check, and the five minute major. And Guentzel for two for slashing and a double cross check. So I was fine with the Pens being on the PP but it shoulda been a 3 minute one. But the NHL doesn’t do shit that way.
The more i think about it if the incident happened in the middle of the game then the refs make your call but because its at the end and guentzels extra minor would have to run off before the Penguins got their powerplay. We could have scored in that 2 minutes since it would have been 3 on 3 and that wouldn’t have been just in the refs eyes. In some ways it makes sense but thats not their job. Their job is call the penalty if its made.
 
Dude he got a penalty. It was fairly called. [mod] Jeff lost us the game.
I think everyone is fine with the major. Nobody is arguing it, I think people are taking exception to the fact that escalated everything and only got a single minor. Guentzel slashed Anderson, which led to Jeff chatting with him, Guentzel then slashed Jeff with a decent two hander, got fed a $400 dinner and then got up and rabbit punched him.

Pens should have had a pp but a 5 min pp is absurd.
 
Yeah that’s how penalties are called so that’s what happened. There’s nothing nefarious going on like some people in here think
Nothing nefarious. Just the usual incompetence. Even with video review they missed Gueztal’s rabbit punch to Skinner’s head. But I’m pretty sure they're not allowed to look for it during the review. Not really ”getting it right” on the NHL‘s part but we know thats been the case forever .
 
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It can be a fine once the commissioner reviews it, which I will assume happens tonight

I remember fondly that time when a Sabre was unjustly suspended and the DOPeS overturned it.

Oh wait, no I don't.

Once the league gets involved Skinner might be out till 2023. Certainly he'll be sitting long after Engvall is playing again.
 
To paraphrase a Louis CK bit: "Of course cross checking an opposing player in the face is wrong. Players who engage is such reprehensible behavior need to be suspended for the maximum number of games as determined by the NHL's Department of Player Safety,"

"But maybe, maybe, if you hack a goalie after the play ends, then viscously slash the first player who gets in your face, you deserve to get smashed in the face with a hockey stick."
 
I expect it to improve. We’ll become more experienced and get a reputation as a “good” team and then magically we will start getting the calls. It isn’t a conspiracy against the Sabres specifically.

You even see it in the NFL. During the Bills playoff drought they got screwed by the refs. Now that they are a top team they get favorable calls. It is what it is.
I agree, itll change eventually.. Our team speed will get us calls going forward.

The interference call leading to Pitt 1st goal was bad but I dont think the refs impacted us tonight

Pens made good in game adjustments. They bottled us up in the 3rd
 
Watching the post game show and it looked like the puck went off the netting/top of the glass on the pens second goal and wasting called dead.
 
I think everyone is fine with the major. Nobody is arguing it, I think people are taking exception to the fact that escalated everything and only got a single minor. Guentzel slashed Anderson, which led to Jeff chatting with him, Guentzel then slashed Jeff with a decent two hander, got fed a $400 dinner and then got up and rabbit punched him.

Pens should have had a pp but a 5 min pp is absurd.
Bingo
 
To paraphrase a Louis CK bit: "Of course cross checking an opposing player in the face is wrong. Players who engage is such reprehensible behavior need to be suspended for the maximum number of games as determined by the NHL's Department of Player Safety,"

"But maybe, maybe, if you hack a goalie after the play ends, then viscously slash the first player who gets in your face, you deserve to get smashed in the face with a hockey stick."
Am I the only one who thinks the tap on Andy was nothing (hardly a ‘hack’) and I’m fine with the 5. You get cross checked in the mouth the refs are going to allow a free shot every time in retaliation. Plus his glove was on….it wasn’t a punch. It was dumb for Skinner an$ they paid the price. End of story.
 
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The more i think about it if the incident happened in the middle of the game then the refs make your call but because its at the end and guentzels extra minor would have to run off before the Penguins got their powerplay. We could have scored in that 2 minutes since it would have been 3 on 3 and that wouldn’t have been just in the refs eyes. In some ways it makes sense but thats not their job. Their job is call the penalty if its made.

And that’s a problem. Regardless of the score, game, time of said game, things should be called the same.

But whatever. There’ll be a time when the opposing teams claims we’re being favoured and I know I’ll be fine with that
 
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Yeah that’s how penalties are called so that’s what happened. There’s nothing nefarious going on like some people in here think
Referees are severly biased, I think the NBA have fixed things somewhat. Especially high profile stars gets preferential treatment.

It's not nefarious but the result of uneducated minds making split second decisions.
I've heard referees talk about players to "focus on" in preparation for games. So stupid.
 
Referees are severly biased, I think the NBA have fixed things somewhat. Especially high profile stars gets preferential treatment.

It's not nefarious but the result of uneducated minds making split second decisions.
I've heard referees talk about players to "focus on" in preparation for games. So stupid.
There is very much a bias which is why game management exists.

That Netflix documentary on Donaugh sp? From the NBA really spotlights bias. In not saying from a gambling spot but I'm sure there are players and coaches that get a rap based on behavior or are watched by league higher ups. We are human, it has to exist
 
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There is very much a bias which is why game management exists.

That Netflix documentary on Donaugh sp? From the NBA really spotlights bias. In not saying from a gambling spot but I'm sure there are players and coaches that get a rap based on behavior or are watched by league higher ups. We are human, it has to exist
Tim Peel got early retired because he basically unveiled that game management is a thing on a hot mic. He was a ref for 20 years, I really doubt it was just isolated to him. It isn’t a conspiracy, it’s just how the league chooses to ref the games.

Sabres just have to be smart, don’t give them obvious ones (looking at you Skinner), and improve the PK.
 
The guy last night only got 1 for a double handed hack to the back of the head.

Wait... it's the NHL ... Skinner is a goner.

that was for 5 and a game. Major difference between 5 and a game and a match

Skinner is suspended now. He is suspended until the NHL reviews the play
 
There is very much a bias which is why game management exists.

That Netflix documentary on Donaugh sp? From the NBA really spotlights bias. In not saying from a gambling spot but I'm sure there are players and coaches that get a rap based on behavior or are watched by league higher ups. We are human, it has to exist
The thing that you can reduce it and make less biased decisions by monitoring the referees and publish the results openly and regularly. Just because we are naturally flawed we shouldn't give in to that.
 
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it was a tie game, Skinner lost a CHANCE to win the game
We lost due to being shorthanded for 5 minutes in OT. That's losing us the game.

Skinner knows he f***ed up, I'm not worried about it. Apologize to the team and make up for it when you’re back. Go win tonight and come out with 3 of 4 points against one of the hottest teams in the league. Would be a great result
 

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