GDT: GM #23 LA Kings vs Arizona Coyotes @6:00pm

[kingsfan28]

The team seems to be caught between two systems and not sure which one they want to use. The earlier system pushed the pace and used the center of the ice , but the dmen weren't ready for it and it lead to outnumbered attacks. The plus side , we were scoring. Since the Tampa game, Steven seems to have fallen back to a modified Sutter system that has stopped the outnumbered attacks, but at the cost of scoring. Nobody is going to the middle anymore or their spacing is too close to get the lanes to open up now.

 

[deaderhead28]

If you don't want Muzzin because of how he's played, why would someone else, with a job on the line, want him?

And what is something? He's already made 2 trades. How many other GM's have made 2 trades this year? He's been very active. The issue is you need another team to make a trade. Who is going to give you a 2nd center? It took a center to get a center in Ottawa. Nashville had some future cap space for Turris.

First off Blake made dumpster dive trades, useless lateral trades.Second of all,the poster you were responding to never mentioned the Kings needed a 2nd center.Kings have Kempe and Carter that can fill in at the second center men's position.We need a winger that can score or a top defenseman.It would be easier to get a decent winger that can pot 15 to 18 goals a season then a top 4 defenseman right now.Stop towing the ever lasting failed denial talking points.This team can make a good trade that helps the team.Lomandi did to get Justin Williams and Stoll and Greene.He also traded for help in 2012 and 2014 to help win two cups.

 

[kingsfan28]

Nah, the Minnesota one was worse. Quicker, but a complete failure in a short amount of time.

I don't remember Kopitar turning the puck over, trying to pass it through two guys in the slot 3v3 and getting caught out there for 3 min in that game.

 

[Butch 19]

by far the worst OT they have played since they started going to 3v3

agree - the 3 skaters were rarely all in the same view.

and wtf!!!! how is gaborik getting OT time in his first game back when he's skating at 70% speed??

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

First off Blake made dumpster dive trades, useless lateral trades. Second of all,the poster you were responding to never mentioned the Kings needed a 2nd center.Kings have Kempe and Carter that can fill in at the second center men's position.We need a winger that can score or a top defenseman.It would be easier to get a decent winger that can pot 15 to 18 goals a season then a top 4 defenseman right now.Stop towing the ever lasting failed denial talking points.This team can make a good trade that helps the team.Lomandi did to get Justin Williams and Stoll and Greene.He also traded for help in 2012 and 2014 to help win two cups.

I'm glad you're able to assess the effectiveness of a trade before a guy even touches the ice.

What scoring wingers would be better than Brown, Toffoli, Pearson, Iafallo, Gaborik? I think you're 1. either greatly overestimating the impact of said forwards; 2. overestimating the availability of those forwards. Guys that scored the top end of that 15-18 goal range last year? Landeskog, Athanasiou, Palat, Mantha, Backes, Larkin, etc....which one of those guys is available, and at what cost? You know who else is in that range over the last couple of years? Just about every winger on the top-9 of this team, with Trevor Lewis on the borderline. Edit: also, 'lateral trade' target Jussi Jokinen.

"scoring winger" is literally just about the least of our concerns imo , and those dumpster dive trades you're referring to have actually fulfilled the need you're professing we have--so you either need to be more specific in what you're looking for and how to get it (by raising what you're asking for and consequently what's going out), or admit we already have it.

Frankly I don't think the scoring is a personnel problem aside from the Carter injury (that's a huge one, obviously). It's a performance problem, one that's not going to be solved from the outside minus an unforeseen blockbuster and even then...

 

[Basilisk]

Would Darryl Sutter have allowed 7 losses in 8 games? I'm just sayin'................

 

[deaderhead28]

I'm glad you're able to assess the effectiveness of a trade before a guy even touches the ice.

What scoring wingers would be better than Brown, Toffoli, Pearson, Iafallo, Gaborik? I think you're 1. either greatly overestimating the impact of said forwards; 2. overestimating the availability of those forwards. Guys that scored the top end of that 15-18 goal range last year? Landeskog, Athanasiou, Palat, Mantha, Backes, Larkin, etc....which one of those guys is available, and at what cost? You know who else is in that range over the last couple of years? Just about every winger on the top-9 of this team, with Trevor Lewis on the borderline. Edit: also, 'lateral trade' target Jussi Jokinen.

"scoring winger" is literally just about the least of our concerns imo , and those dumpster dive trades you're referring to have actually fulfilled the need you're professing we have--so you either need to be more specific in what you're looking for and how to get it (by raising what you're asking for and consequently what's going out), or admit we already have it.

Frankly I don't think the scoring is a personnel problem aside from the Carter injury (that's a huge one, obviously). It's a performance problem, one that's not going to be solved from the outside minus an unforeseen blockbuster and even then...

You just repeat fail talking points that have been covered over and over in great detail.Thanks but I won't be toking on what you're smoking.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You just repeat fail talking points that have been covered over and over in great detail.Thanks but I won't be toking on what you're smoking.

I'll make it simple: what trade would you make to 'fix' this team?

 

[deaderhead28]

I'll make it simple: what trade would you make to 'fix' this team?

Many are saying the same thing lol.Maybe you should start reading all post not just those you agree with.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Many are saying the same thing lol.Maybe you should start reading all post not just those you agree with.

So I make a reasonably thought out post with stats you yourself raised, and you "TLDR WONT RESPOND"ed it, then I literally just asked you straight up--genuinely curious--what you would do differently, and that was too difficult?

 

[deaderhead28]

I would try to make a trade to bring in a Greene type Stoll deal as a example.Even if it's two deals.We need help in our forward core and defense.If that's not a option Stevens needs to go.

 

[deaderhead28]

When Stoll and Williams left the locker room and Richards in some way the leadership also took a hit.

 

[Winger23]

I don't have the trade answers, but from within I like amadio a ton more than brod.

Andreoff can go back to playing less minutes.

I would cut muzzins ice time and give more to Martinez and whoever else is in.

I would move Shore back between Pearson and toffoli and let kempe play with Lewis and gaborik utilizing speed.

Iafallo kopi brown
Pearson Shore tofolli
Gabby kempe Lewis

That to me is the most balanced and you only have to swap Shore down to the 4th line when Carter comes back. Shore on the 2nd line is weak but they were winning with him there as a stop gap and gabby instead of Cammy makes that line better.

 

[damacles1156]

The team seems to be caught between two systems and not sure which one they want to use. The earlier system pushed the pace and used the center of the ice , but the dmen weren't ready for it and it lead to outnumbered attacks. The plus side , we were scoring. Since the Tampa game, Steven seems to have fallen back to a modified Sutter system that has stopped the outnumbered attacks, but at the cost of scoring. Nobody is going to the middle anymore or their spacing is too close to get the lanes to open up now.

There is another team on the ice taking the middle and the front of the net away. It's called NHL teams adjust to what you are trying to do. It's why Sutter hockey is 7-0 right now vs the Kings.

The way you slow a team down that wants to run a track meet, is you take away their ice, and push them to the boards slowing the game down to a crawl. It's exactly what Western Conference teams are doing to the Kings.

So far Stevens and his crew have done a poor job adjusting, players too.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Bottom six forwards once again get pinned in the dzone all game long.

 

[LAKings88]

I think Sutter had to go just for fresh air. I do think the Tampa game shook LA. The Kings are mostly playing catch-up during this losing stretch. They are losing by one goal in many of these games. Couldn’t capitalize on back to back opportunities and can’t beat a backup for the life of them. It is a transition year. Fortunately they are still in the thick of it but they need to sort it out. The teams that are beating LA are beating the Ducks and Sharks too. LA absolutely needs to beat Pacific teams tho. Quick needs to play Vezina style God mode for them to really have a chance. P.S. if they miss the playoffs I think Doughty is gone.

 

[KingsFan7824]

First off Blake made dumpster dive trades, useless lateral trades.

Cammalleri complained about his role/playing time, so he gave Blake no choice. Mitchell is the next attempt at stabilizing the 4th line. Sort of needed to do the first trade, so not useless, and wanted to do the second one, which may or may not be lateral.

Second of all,the poster you were responding to never mentioned the Kings needed a 2nd center.Kings have Kempe and Carter that can fill in at the second center men's position.We need a winger that can score or a top defenseman.

It was about Kopitar being a dead man by the time Carter comes back. The only way to fix that is to either trade for a center, or have Kempe, who can't win faceoffs, or Jokinen/Shore/Mitchell/Dowd, who can't score, play better. A winger isn't going to bring Kopitar's ice time down.

It would be easier to get a decent winger that can pot 15 to 18 goals a season then a top 4 defenseman right now.Stop towing the ever lasting failed denial talking points.This team can make a good trade that helps the team.Lomandi did to get Justin Williams and Stoll and Greene.He also traded for help in 2012 and 2014 to help win two cups.

Williams was a trade deadline acquisition, Stoll and Greene were either at or around the draft, I forget which, and Carter and Gaborik were once again trades made at the deadline.

Go back over the years. How many big/decent trades have happened in November? Name the team that will trade you a winger that can score 15-20 goals today. Yes, they need more than 1 goal from their 1st line LW. The abstract is always easier than the concrete. A nameless decent winger. It's just a concept.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Stevens needs to stop putting scoring forwards out there on the PK and giving ozone starts to bottom sixers

 

[Bandit]

Cammalleri complained about his role/playing time, so he gave Blake no choice. Mitchell is the next attempt at stabilizing the 4th line. Sort of needed to do the first trade, so not useless, and wanted to do the second one, which may or may not be lateral.



It was about Kopitar being a dead man by the time Carter comes back. The only way to fix that is to either trade for a center, or have Kempe, who can't win faceoffs, or Jokinen/Shore/Mitchell/Dowd, who can't score, play better. A winger isn't going to bring Kopitar's ice time down.



Williams was a trade deadline acquisition, Stoll and Greene were either at or around the draft, I forget which, and Carter and Gaborik were once again trades made at the deadline.

Go back over the years. How many big/decent trades have happened in November? Name the team that will trade you a winger that can score 15-20 goals today. Yes, they need more than 1 goal from their 1st line LW. The abstract is always easier than the concrete. A nameless decent winger. It's just a concept.

Before Duchene, Joe Thornton is the only other one that comes to mind, and that was 12 years ago. Maybe there are others but that’s all I can think of. And people act like you can just flip Andreoff for Tavares. Whatever it would take to land such a player would likely make the team worse, not better.