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GDT: GM#2 LA Kings vs Detroit Red Wings @7:30pm 10/7/18

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I take back my comments on Wagner being like Mike Donnelly or Craig Johnson. He makes those guys look like Ziggy Palffy. I still love the speed he adds to the bottom six, but he's head-to-head with Lewis for having the stoniest hands on the team.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Do you not understand or care what pre-season is about?? They weren't showcasing him FFS, they were making sure he had the tools to play with, keep in mind, before brown got hurt, he was slated to play with Toffoli, and Pearson, what good would that be if he showed he had the passing ability of Joe Blow playing rec league....

I swear to god some of you take pre-season like it actually means something..it means jack ****, zero, nothing, absolutely nothing, less than nothing...throw it out the damn window ffs.

As far as JAD, where exactly would you have him play? Just curious, tight game, you are going to throw him out there to win a faceoff in your own zone? No....but why not, he needs minutes right?

Cmon man.....seriously?
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Dude.

Stevens literally, word-for-word, said "Amadio is our 3C." And as you say, Brown gets hurt and Amadio gets....demoted?

It's not about me going goo-goo for preseason, it's about you opening your f***ing eyes and ears.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Dude.

Stevens literally, word-for-word, said "Amadio is our 3C." And as you say, Brown gets hurt and Amadio gets....demoted?

It's not about me going goo-goo for preseason, it's about you opening your ****ing eyes and ears.
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Yes, because the initial plan was to have Kempe on the wing with Carter and Kovy, that's not going to work until Brown is back, so either you want a really really impotent 1st line, playing Wagner with Kopitar and Iafallo,

Or, you play Kovalchuk with Kopitar and Iafallo, and Pearson and Toffoli with Carter,

Seriously you are throwing a hissy fit over a barely 2nd year player, having to play 4th line....think about that for a minute.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I take back my comments on Wagner being like Mike Donnelly or Craig Johnson. He makes those guys look like Ziggy Palffy. I still love the speed he adds to the bottom six, but he's head-to-head with Lewis for having the stoniest hands on the team.
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Yes, one of his flaws, and that made him a 3rd round pick.

Didnt expect him to be in the openings line up but certainly somewhere downway the season.

Always thought he would be the perfect bottom six player. Speed, agressiveness, physical.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Amadio has a lot of growing to do--fine. Giving him a showcase role in the preseason only to absolutely bury him now is stupid. He has nowhere else to go. Put him as the #1C in the AHL if you're just going to staple him to the bench.
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Free Amadio: The Kings struggle immensely creating scoring chances off skilled passing and getting the puck up the ice. Amadio is one of the few skilled passers on the team, yet is barely playing on the 4th line at RW after having a successful preseason as a center (tied for the lead in scoring) on the 3rd (and the 1st line in some split squad games). Waste of his talent. He must have keyed Stevens car or something. It boggles my mind. Lewis has been a train wreck the first two games on the 3rd line RW. To maximize Amadio's skill set, he needs to play center. Should be on the 3rd line.
 
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Frolov 6'3 said:
Yes, one of his flaws, and that made him a 3rd round pick.

Didnt expect him to be in the openings line up but certainly somewhere downway the season.

Always thought he would be the perfect bottom six player. Speed, agressiveness, physical.
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And that certainly would make him a more useful player if he can tinker his game a bit to be more of a pest, ala Tony Granato, but without the offense.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
If Kopitar gets 24 minutes at home vs. Detroit, what's gonna happen in winnipeg?
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Might get less. Averaged less time on the road than at home last year. As did Doughty, but just by a bit. Brown too. Pearson more on the road. Kempe more on the road. Muzzin more. Amadio a little bit more. Iafallo a bit more. Brodzinski almost a minute more. Martinez more at home. Clifford more on the road. Phaneuf more at home.

Be interesting to know what the times are when scoring first, or scored on first. What it is when tied, or holding a lead. Up or down by 1, or 2, or 3.

Certainly at home you get more choice of who is out there for a shift. Guys you don't want out there can get stuck on the ice more on the road.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And that certainly would make him a more useful player if he can tinker his game a bit to be more of a pest, ala Tony Granato, but without the offense.
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If he can, I think you have seen the last of Clifford....he can easily take his spot on the 4th and move up and down between the bottom six
 
I think comments about ice time are warranted.

It's the overplaying of key players that leads to more wear and tear.

Defensemen typically get the most minutes. LaDue, who scored a goal, got less ice time than Nate Thompson.

Amadio and JAD warming up the bench against an expected lottery team playing 5 defensemen goes beyond words. If they haven't earned their time, don't dress them. Don't praise their maturity and ethic and make them overpaid stick boys.

There has not yet been a defensible stance to these criticisms aside from "quit your bitching"
 
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King'sPawn said:
I think comments about ice time are warranted.

It's the overplaying of key players that leads to more wear and tear.

Defensemen typically get the most minutes. LaDue, who scored a goal, got less ice time than Nate Thompson.

Amadio and JAD warming up the bench against an expected lottery team playing 5 defensemen goes beyond words. If they haven't earned their time, don't dress them. Don't praise their maturity and ethic and make them overpaid stick boys.

There has not yet been a defensible stance to these criticisms aside from "quit your *****ing"
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Defensible stance?

Fine, rookies, and even 2nd year players have yet to perfect their defensive game in the defensive zone, away from the puck, thats one of the hardest part of the games to master, and you have to not only have the physical skills, (which they do) but you have to be able to think the game NHL quick (which they aren't) right now, so putting them out there in a one goal game/situation in the last 10 minutes of the game, is not the best coaching decision one can make.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
If he can, I think you have seen the last of Clifford....he can easily take his spot on the 4th and move up and down between the bottom six
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After this season, Nate Thompson will be a UFA, and Kyle Clifford, Trevor Lewis, and Tyler Toffoli will all be a year away from becoming UFAs. I see Wagner possibly supplanting Lewis, although given how much the team reveres Clifford and Lewis, I wouldn't be shocked to see them back with short term deals at a significantly lower cost.

The days of Lewis and Clifford costing a combined $3.6M in cap space are nearing its end.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Yes, because the initial plan was to have Kempe on the wing with Carter and Kovy, that's not going to work until Brown is back, so either you want a really really impotent 1st line, playing Wagner with Kopitar and Iafallo,

Or, you play Kovalchuk with Kopitar and Iafallo, and Pearson and Toffoli with Carter,

Seriously you are throwing a hissy fit over a barely 2nd year player, having to play 4th line....think about that for a minute.
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Yep, that's literally all I've been talking about for weeks. Nothing to do with the power play, breakout, other player usage...


GoldenBearHockey said:
Defensible stance?

Fine, rookies, and even 2nd year players have yet to perfect their defensive game in the defensive zone, away from the puck, thats one of the hardest part of the games to master, and you have to not only have the physical skills, (which they do) but you have to be able to think the game NHL quick (which they aren't) right now, so putting them out there in a one goal game/situation in the last 10 minutes of the game, is not the best coaching decision one can make.
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You're right, we should probably just roll with 2 lines of vets anyway and bench Iafallo because he's a 2nd year player right? Or does that line matter only when you want it to matter?

Just play Kopitar and Carter 30 minutes each, insulate the kids by not playing them at all until they're magically ready.

You either play the kids or you don't. You don't bring them up to rot on the bench and overkill your top players particularly versus an Eastern Conference team on a rested night at home. The problem is this is far from the isolated incident that your'e trying to reduce it to.
 
King'sPawn said:
I think comments about ice time are warranted.

It's the overplaying of key players that leads to more wear and tear.

Defensemen typically get the most minutes. LaDue, who scored a goal, got less ice time than Nate Thompson.

Amadio and JAD warming up the bench against an expected lottery team playing 5 defensemen goes beyond words. If they haven't earned their time, don't dress them. Don't praise their maturity and ethic and make them overpaid stick boys.

There has not yet been a defensible stance to these criticisms aside from "quit your *****ing"
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How often were the Kings in their own zone last night? If given the choice, any coach will have Doughty out there over LaDue. I have no idea if that played a part, just throwing out an idea. Phaneuf barely played too. Plus, LaDue did have 12 minutes to sit in the box. That's going to cut into his time. What were LaDue's minutes in relation to everyone up to 5 minutes into the 3rd? He wasn't going to play much after he got out of the box late in the 3rd with them trying to hold onto a lead.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yep, that's literally all I've been talking about for weeks. Nothing to do with the power play, breakout, other player usage...





You're right, we should probably just roll with 2 lines of vets anyway and bench Iafallo because he's a 2nd year player right? Or does that line matter only when you want it to matter?

Just play Kopitar and Carter 30 minutes each, insulate the kids by not playing them at all until they're magically ready.

You either play the kids or you don't. You don't bring them up to rot on the bench and overkill your top players particularly versus an Eastern Conference team on a rested night at home. The problem is this is far from the isolated incident that your'e trying to reduce it to.
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You do realize the team, specifically the coaching staff, is paid to win games right? Just checking, because the decisions they make, are going to be around winning games, and they really insulated Iafallo, 16:20, you know why, because he proved DEFENSIVELY, he can handle it, once Amadio does the same, guess what, he will get more minutes, kinda weird how reality works. I don't mention JAD, because he won't be up here past the 9 games he gets to play,

Anyways, you keep on stomping your feet and huffing and puffing and not enjoying any hockey this season, let me know how that works out for you.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
How often were the Kings in their own zone last night? If given the choice, any coach will have Doughty out there over LaDue. I have no idea if that played a part, just throwing out an idea. Phaneuf barely played too. Plus, LaDue did have 12 minutes to sit in the box. That's going to cut into his time. What were LaDue's minutes in relation to everyone up to 5 minutes into the 3rd? He wasn't going to play much after he got out of the box late in the 3rd with them trying to hold onto a lead.
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Phaneuf probably played where he should be playing each night, same with Martinez/Muzzin and Forbort, La Due should have been around 13 minutes, but nice catch on his 12 minutes of PIM, and that would have brought Doughty down to 24 minutes.....etc.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
You do realize the team, specifically the coaching staff, is paid to win games right? Just checking, because the decisions they make, are going to be around winning games, and they really insulated Iafallo, 16:20, you know why, because he proved DEFENSIVELY, he can handle it, once Amadio does the same, guess what, he will get more minutes, kinda weird how reality works. I don't mention JAD, because he won't be up here past the 9 games he gets to play,

Anyways, you keep on stomping your feet and huffing and puffing and not enjoying any hockey this season, let me know how that works out for you.
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yes, paid to win gameS, not just one random game vs. an eastern conference opponent, playing your players like it's Game 2 OT in the first round. I'm looking at the big picture while you can't get past one single game and one single issue.

And again, you ignored literally all the other concerns I have. Just because you turn your back on discussion doesn't mean those issues don't exist, it just means you're poorly equipped to discuss them, or you're equipped to discuss them and know that your side is indefensible. I lean towards the second with you because I think you know better.

But sure, I'll take the value judgment from the guy who comes stomping in here bitching about all the posters instead of the players every game. I figured it would mean something to more discerning posters when I went from relentlessly positive to gravely concerned, but apparently I'm just a full time grump? :dunno:
 
Every season’s small sample size of LaDue has resulted in offensive production. Its getting hard to overlook.
 
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yes, paid to win gameS, not just one random game vs. an eastern conference opponent, playing your players like it's Game 2 OT in the first round. I'm looking at the big picture while you can't get past one single game and one single issue.

And again, you ignored literally all the other concerns I have. Just because you turn your back on discussion doesn't mean those issues don't exist, it just means you're poorly equipped to discuss them, or you're equipped to discuss them and know that your side is indefensible. I lean towards the second with you because I think you know better.

But sure, I'll take the value judgment from the guy who comes stomping in here *****ing about all the posters instead of the players every game. I figured it would mean something to more discerning posters when I went from relentlessly positive to gravely concerned, but apparently I'm just a full time grump? :dunno:
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LOL the other issues, breakouts and PP setup? Sure, let's talk about them, what specifically bothers you about them, F5 hanging on the far blue line, or F3 circling down to low? How about the PP setup, what specifically bothers you about that, and "it doesnt work" isn't specific, cmon now...

You do realize, that those players, are conditioned athletes, playing their SECOND GAME, they aren't gonna wear out over ONE GAME, you are taking ONE GAME and extrapolating it to mean that's going to happen EVERY GAME....that's the problem.
 
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