GDT: GM #14 LA Kings vs Nashville Predators @7:30

[KingCanadain1976]

I'm more ok with Laich than Andreoff. At least he has some defensive and faceoff ability and can get to the spot to make a hit.

AA is getting the softest competition and zone starts on the team and is routinely wrecked up and down the ice. He does literally nothing. I cannot wait until the day he is no longer on this roster. I would rather have anyone that played regular games for the Kings at forward from 2000 until now on the roster than Andy Andreoff. Bring back Ethan Moreau.

No andreoff does a few things. He plays physical. Have seen him make a couple of hits something Laich doesn't He has fought yesterday and anytime he can draw a matching penalty we come ahead in the deal because there player is probably better. I also think Andreoff is better offensively then Laich even with the couple of empty net misses. Laich is a lot slower then andreoff. Either way when we are healthy both will be pressbox friends.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I think by 25 game mark we will get a very good understanding as to what kind of season Kopitar will have. Dudes been amazing so far.

14 games played
7 goals 10 assist.

In comparison,
Bergeron (most overrated center in the league) has 7 games played only? 2 goals 5 assists.

Maybe its to early to say but i wanted to interject some positive type posts in this thread. Especially after a loss this place becomes mostly negative posts Hoping to keep the thread more positive then negetive

 

[Bandit]

Why is that ? This is one of the many places I see people complaining about his production so why not say when he is playing well or up to his contract Just saying complaining vs saying something positive about a player seem like a better use of this forum but that just me

I was merely pointing out that the internet is not a place one usually turns to to avoid complaining. I mean, this thread is exhibit A.

- Kuemper sucks
- Laich sucks
- The 4th line sucks
- Andreoff sucks
- X sucks
- Y sucks
- Z sucks

All over one point in the standings. One. You'd think the Kings are on the verge of missing the playoffs the way people carry on. Pulse of the internet I guess. Sad commentary on humanity though.

 

[Jason Squirties]

I was merely pointing out that the internet is not a place one usually turns to to avoid complaining. I mean, this thread is exhibit A.

- Kuemper sucks
- Laich sucks
- The 4th line sucks
- Andreoff sucks
- X sucks
- Y sucks
- Z sucks

All over one point in the standings. One. You'd think the Kings are on the verge of missing the playoffs the way people carry on. Pulse of the internet I guess. Sad commentary on humanity though.

Oofah. Well said.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No andreoff does a few things. He plays physical. Have seen him make a couple of hits something Laich doesn't He has fought yesterday and anytime he can draw a matching penalty we come ahead in the deal because there player is probably better. I also think Andreoff is better offensively then Laich even with the couple of empty net misses. Laich is a lot slower then andreoff. Either way when we are healthy both will be pressbox friends.

He TRIES to play physical but he rarely gets to hit because even though he's a good skater he has no IQ. If you think Laich doesn't hit, you've missed him absolutely truck a few guys, and be strong on the boards. AA finally fought yesterday after trying to get ANYONE"s attention for the last year, but no one takes him seriously because he's garbage. If getting him off the ice with a player from the other team is the ultimate goal, he's a waste of a roster spot. Add that Laich plays C, is a vet and pretty smart, is good at faceoffs, and isn't a liability, it's a no-brainer for me. Andreoff is just a black hole of nothing out there; laich is at least late career jarret stoll, a black hole of offense, but one that can at least take a defensive shift--where, again, Andreoff is getting by far the softest competition and zone starts on the team and doing absolutely nothing with them.

Agree that AA will be press box bound, and likely Laich as well if we're completely healthy. But AA should be first to go.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I was merely pointing out that the internet is not a place one usually turns to to avoid complaining. I mean, this thread is exhibit A.

- Kuemper sucks
- Laich sucks
- The 4th line sucks
- Andreoff sucks
- X sucks
- Y sucks
- Z sucks

All over one point in the standings. One. You'd think the Kings are on the verge of missing the playoffs the way people carry on. Pulse of the internet I guess. Sad commentary on humanity though.

I mean, most of us have been pointing out AA sucks throughout the season even in convincing wins, so pretending that the criticism only comes because we're boo-hoo sad people is some pretty weak meta-commentary.

Kuemper sucked last night is on topic. AA sucking continuously is on topic. 85% of the rest of the posts were happy about getting a point out of a game in which we tried to self sabotage with Kuemper sucking as well as Kopitar et. al. being awesome, Iafallo's first goal, etc. Some people see what they want to see.

Like I said earlier, you can be happy in general about the game and some individual performances and critical of others, it's not mutually exclusive.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I was merely pointing out that the internet is not a place one usually turns to to avoid complaining. I mean, this thread is exhibit A.

- Kuemper sucks
- Laich sucks
- The 4th line sucks
- Andreoff sucks
- X sucks
- Y sucks
- Z sucks

All over one point in the standings. One. You'd think the Kings are on the verge of missing the playoffs the way people carry on. Pulse of the internet I guess. Sad commentary on humanity though.

I agree with you that it is happening more and more in our threads However i would like to see more positive things pointed out Especially when the team is playing well. There are certain posters (not saying you or anyone in particular ) that only post negative crap and it gets old fast. I know its will be a don Quixote experience but i would like to see more positive commenting is all By no means do i think the negative stuff will stop I am hoping to see more positive to balance it out is all.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I mean, most of us have been pointing out AA sucks throughout the season even in convincing wins, so pretending that the criticism only comes because we're boo-hoo sad people is some pretty weak meta-commentary.

Kuemper sucked last night is on topic. AA sucking continuously is on topic. 85% of the rest of the posts were happy about getting a point out of a game in which we tried to self sabotage with Kuemper sucking as well as Kopitar et. al. being awesome, Iafallo's first goal, etc. Some people see what they want to see.

Like I said earlier, you can be happy in general about the game and some individual performances and critical of others, it's not mutually exclusive.

I never once said AA is some sorta star all i am saying is the guy is getting no ice time and yes me makes a odd mistake. Just his mistakes are more noticeable due to only being on ice for a few mins . Players need more then 6 /7 mins of ice time to play at there best. Dumping on such players to me is useless especially in wins. However this fan base needs a whipping boy and since Kyle Clifford is hurt it has become Andy Andreoff . I think there are others that people should be looking at MacDermid Folin liach dowd all come to mind Hell anyone that isnt playing at least 10 mins should be looked at hard as to why not

Yes Kuemper let in a couple of soft ones Guess what so does Quick He also made a few outstanding saves imo. He has also got 5 out of 6 points this season yet your complaining about him? talk about unrealistic expectations. your making him sound like Zatkoff/

 

[Bandit]

I mean, most of us have been pointing out AA sucks throughout the season even in convincing wins, so pretending that the criticism only comes because we're boo-hoo sad people is some pretty weak meta-commentary.

Kuemper sucked last night is on topic. AA sucking continuously is on topic. 85% of the rest of the posts were happy about getting a point out of a game in which we tried to self sabotage with Kuemper sucking as well as Kopitar et. al. being awesome, Iafallo's first goal, etc. Some people see what they want to see.

Like I said earlier, you can be happy in general about the game and some individual performances and critical of others, it's not mutually exclusive.

I admit I had a hard time typing Andreoff's name there without saying he does suck, but that's only one of the points. There's a huge difference though between saying "Kuemper had a bad night last night" and "OMFG guy is useless sUck$ all the schlongwwwrrfghfblll"

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I never once said AA is some sorta star all i am saying is the guy is getting no ice time and yes me makes a odd mistake. Just his mistakes are more noticeable due to only being on ice for a few mins . Players need more then 6 /7 mins of ice time to play at there best. Dumping on such players to me is useless especially in wins. However this fan base needs a whipping boy and since Kyle Clifford is hurt it has become Andy Andreoff . I think there are others that people should be looking at MacDermid Folin liach dowd all come to mind Hell anyone that isnt playing at least 10 mins should be looked at hard as to why not

Yes Kuemper let in a couple of soft ones Guess what so does Quick He also made a few outstanding saves imo. He has also got 5 out of 6 points this season yet your complaining about him? talk about unrealistic expectations. your making him sound like Zatkoff/

Andreoff can't hold Clifford's jock. MacDermid has an excuse as he's learning on the job and has redeeming qualities like laying the boom/beating the snot out of McLeod/and actually moving the puck pretty effectively. No clue what's up with Folin's 5 minutes but no he wasn't great last night, but he has history of being alright. Laich I won't bother arguing over, and Dowd wasn't even in the lineup because he's been terrible. Andreoff is a lineup fixture due to injuries and all he's contributed is lowlights--and you have exactly the wrong philosophy: if you can only be on the ice for 6 minutes, you need to just be there and not be a liability. You need to be low-event. If he's noticeable in 6 minutes of icetime, it's probably not a good thing in his case and outside of a scrap (thank god) and one good board play getting the puck out after he initially lost it in his own feet, he did nothing but open up ice for the opposite team like a god damn matador. It's probably fine that our 15th-16th forwards are just kind of there doing nothing, but he sticks out like a sore thumb because I literally cannot figure out what he contributes whereas with any other player on the roster you can at least make a legitimate case. All he does is hit softly if he can even get there in time and most of the time he's too late for it to have an effect on the play, they're 'nothing' hits that just pad his physical stats. Andreoff gets spoon-fed soft minutes and matchups that could/should be going to players that can do something with them but instead he's a net negative. God, you making me actually think about him made me think he sucks even more than he did before I typed this post, so thanks

Stop with the red herring. I never said Kuemper is awful. 5 out of 6 points is irrelevant; my criticism was of his play last night. It was Zatkoff-esque. My expectations are that he's a backup and that will happen from time to time, but that like any other backup, you just ask that he not give up bad goals.

I'm usually relentlessly positive but if you want me to post positively we should probably talk about people that weren't the two worst players on the ice last night.

 

[Statto]

No andreoff does a few things. He plays physical. Have seen him make a couple of hits something Laich doesn't He has fought yesterday and anytime he can draw a matching penalty we come ahead in the deal because there player is probably better. I also think Andreoff is better offensively then Laich even with the couple of empty net misses. Laich is a lot slower then andreoff. Either way when we are healthy both will be pressbox friends.

Right, AA has played 12 games, Laich 8.
AA averages 1.8 hits per game, Laich 1.5. AA is way ahead. Score!
AA has blocked 1 shot, Laich 5
AA has a turnover diff of -1, Laich is +2

So apart from guaranteeing AA is the worst player in the box after a fight (I'm still trying to figure how that helps us), how does AA do anything other than be a warm body at this point?

Laich sets a good tempo, attitude (call it what you want) with his line mates and you can see they play off him. With AA you hope he just doesn't make a bad mistake. Neither will generate much offence but Laich buries those chances AA missed and is more of a threat than AA, any day. I agree Laich is at best our 13th forward with everyone fit, but with everyone fit AA must surely be waived.

 

[Sol]

Maybe its to early to say but i wanted to interject some positive type posts in this thread. Especially after a loss this place becomes mostly negative posts Hoping to keep the thread more positive then negetive

I think people are being pretty reasonable, there are obviously some degenerates who make incoherent statements, but overall I think it's okay. Kopitar has been awesome, anyone saying otherwise Is lying.

 

[Statto]

With Keumper, the two breakaways weren't all that different to the two saves he made in the shootout win vs Ottawa. As the skater comes in high slot, his movement puts him at the top of the paint. Obviously none of the plays are identical but it looks like a deliberate positioning that has brought him some success.

The second goal was a tough screen and a deflected bouncing knuckle puck so he gets a pass on that one. The third goal is the one he'd probably want back but it's wasn't a straight forward save as it as a right shot from the left so the shooter has more angle to play with and there was no puck pressure on the shooter.

No it wasn't a great game for him, but it wasn't a car crash either but on balance so far I think he's provided solid backup goaltending. Please don't pretend he's no better than Zatkoff, there are much better options to compare him to.

 

[Statto]

I think people are being pretty reasonable, there are obviously some degenerates who make incoherent statements, but overall I think it's okay. Kopitar has been awesome, anyone saying otherwise Is lying.

I agree Kopi is playing some of his best ever hockey. He has never looked so dangerous offensively, well not since I had regular access to game feeds.

 

[Docgonzo]

I agree Kopi is playing some of his best ever hockey. He has never looked so dangerous offensively, well not since I had regular access to game feeds.

He also looks faster this year than the previous 2. He seems to beat Dmen to the puck by a couple of steps. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t feel panicked to turn and get back on defense or maybe it’s because he’s weighs less this year, who knows but I’ll take it.

 

[KINGS17]

hmmm kopitar has 17 points in 14 games can we say he's back yet without people complaining?

Hmmm, it's been 14 games, and Kopitar has been great in almost all of them. That being said, it's been 14 games.

I am most impressed with Quick. It would be logical to think he will tail off at some point because he plays such an athletic style and he has had issues with his back and his groin. The guy is a phenomenal athlete. The amount of core and lower body strength it takes to play the way he does is incredible.

The Kings are looking good against some of the better teams in the West, so I am hoping for more success than I anticipated this season.

I am looking forward to seeing the Kings play Tampa Bay from the Eastern Conference. Should be a great match up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think people are being pretty reasonable, there are obviously some degenerates who make incoherent statements, but overall I think it's okay. Kopitar has been awesome, anyone saying otherwise Is lying.

I try!

With Keumper, the two breakaways weren't all that different to the two saves he made in the shootout win vs Ottawa. As the skater comes in high slot, his movement puts him at the top of the paint. Obviously none of the plays are identical but it looks like a deliberate positioning that has brought him some success.

The second goal was a tough screen and a deflected bouncing knuckle puck so he gets a pass on that one. The third goal is the one he'd probably want back but it's wasn't a straight forward save as it as a right shot from the left so the shooter has more angle to play with and there was no puck pressure on the shooter.

No it wasn't a great game for him, but it wasn't a car crash either but on balance so far I think he's provided solid backup goaltending. Please don't pretend he's no better than Zatkoff, there are much better options to compare him to.

I think the thing is I look at any of those goals and in isolation they're ok but in combination they're bad. Two breakaways, fine. One bouncer thru traffic, fine. One floater he should have, fine. But all four? That's rough. The one big save didn't make up for all of that.

Hmmm, it's been 14 games, and Kopitar has been great in almost all of them. That being said, it's been 14 games.

I am most impressed with Quick. It would be logical to think he will tail off at some point because he plays such an athletic style and he has had issues with his back and his groin. The guy is a phenomenal athlete. The amount of core and lower body strength it takes to play the way he does is incredible.

The Kings are looking good against some of the better teams in the West, so I am hoping for more success than I anticipated this season.

I am looking forward to seeing the Kings play Tampa Bay from the Eastern Conference. Should be a great match up.

Quick has been phenomenal and I'd expect him to settle in a little bit if only because his .939 is pretty unsustainable and coming down. I too am really excited for the TB game, but we can't overlook Anaheim either, as they're rounding into health and always give us more than we can handle even on a bad day.

 

[LAKings88]

Kuemper is not a solid goalie. Not sure why there is so much defense of him. I’ll call it like I see it. Rather have Budaj honestly. Kuemper very much reminds me of Zatkoff. Bull$&@* my @SS.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I prefer Campbell over Kuemper.

I guess the kings wanted Campbell to continue to get regular work rather than sitting for most of the season as quick's backup.

 

[driller1]

I thought Kuemper was solid his other two starts. If we get 2 out of 3 decent starts, we'll be OK. (Better than the 0 out of 3 quality starts Zatkoff gave us last year).