Post-Game Talk: GM 07 | Canucks def. Penguins | 4-3 (Pettersson, Sherwood, Miller, Bains)

VanJack

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Canucks basically won playing one decent period of hockey. But on a positive note, that second period according to Tocchet was the best he's seen his team play in his year and half behind the bench.

Tocchet also has some interesting things to say about Bains in his post-game presser. He said they gave him a list of things he had to work on in the off-season to stick in the NHL. And he diligently worked on all of them.

He just looks a lot quicker this season. He's not overwhelmed by the pace like he was at times last season. He's just one of those guys who will himself in to the NHL somehow.

Every once in a blue moon, guys like that come along, like Burrows and Tanev, two other former Canucks. Undrafted, their work ethic and determination to succeed overcame every single obstacle in their path.
 

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WHEW - potential blowout turned into squeaker. Third was about as bad you can play and first wasn't much better. Outside of the "outburst" this wasn't pretty. Looked at another way, however, maybe you could say that you are a decent team when you can win playing like they did for much of the game.

Good

Sherwood - wish you could put some of his energy into a few of the other bodies out there. Virtually carried shifts all game. Like Garland gives it all the time, and like Garland is effective.

Garland - tailed off in the third and couldn't carry as much of the play as he did through first and second. As he sagged, so did the team illustrating his importance.

Lankanin - saves he made early in the second were absolutely critical. Canucks could have easily been down 4 - 0. Again huge late in the game. Looks like a bona vide starter to me.

Hronek - carried Hughes again in his end. I think he has clearly been our best d- man this season.

Brannstrom - did a lot of covering for Desharnais and puck movement was good. Does not seem overwhelmed in his end as might have been feared.

Bains - great to see him score and he put in hard shifts every time out. Might have deserved more time in the third given the way some of the Canucks were playing

Sprong - overall good effort. Was no worse than many in his end and did provide some offensive push. Would play him ahead of Heinen.

Not So Good

Desharnais - his poor skating led directly to two of the goals. Frobert can't come back too soon.

Heinen - back to being no good. Looked to be floating much of the game. Not hard, at all, on his checking and just drifted out of play in the offensive end. The contrast b/t him and a player Sherwood is immense.

de Brusk - needs so be better than this. Not in sync with any of the lines he is put on.

Others

Myers - nice little tribute but it didn't seem to inspire Myers to a very good game. Clubbed at the puck too much and too many shifts were spend thrashing around in his crease and around his net. With Soucy, he did help kill off some time late in the game, but he rarely looked on top of his game.

Miller - One of the reasons the PP struggled. That and Boesers inability to put away chances. Scored, but goal was kind of a fluke.

Pettersson - nice goal but again too much start and stop in his play. Somehow must stay on his feet better. Maybe little indications (baby steps as Miller might say ) in the right direction.

At this point, it's getting clearer who was, and who was not a good off-season pick up. Lankanin and Sherwood appear excellent additions but Desharnais, Heinen, and DeBrusk (and I say Deharnais in particular) look more dubious. Don't think we've seen enough of Forbert or Sprong to say either way. Add that Brasnnstrom trade looks good to date.

As usual, pretty spot on with your analysis. I thought Hoglander and Garland were pretty great tonight too.
 

bringbacktheskate604

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4th place in the division, one point of being out of a playoff spot. This team is NOT in a good position. Just as I predicted - Johnny C
Second by points% points in 6 of 7 all without our vezina calibre goalie.

Expecting Allvin to pull the trigger on a top four dman sooner than later tho. Soucy/Myers just isn't working.
 

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Disagree with some of the 'played one period' 'lucky win' stuff. We had a slow start for the first 8 minutes and were outshot 7-2 and down 1-0 ... and then for the next ~40 minutes we absolutely pancaked them with the shots 31-5 in our favour for that stretch until we sat back a bit too much at 4-2 for the last 12-15 minutes of the game. This game should have been about 6-2 after 2 periods with the amount of chances we had but Boeser in particular missed about 5 glorious looks.

- thank f*** Pettersson scored, and hopefully that's a big goal in getting him back to form. Actually thought this game was a step backward after he was pretty good against Chicago ... more sloppy play, less involved offensively tonight.

- Blueger and Sherwood were probably the two best forwards, incredible how cheap we have these guys signed for for 2 more years. Both just tireless at both ends of the rink.

- even if he didn't score, that was easily the best NHL game for Arshdeep Bains. Looked legitimately good tonight, showed some really nice chemistry with Sprong, battled hard at both ends of the rink and was involved in several quality chances.

- Sprong's best game also, glad Tocchet didn't hold that ridiculously soft late penalty against him. Competed well. really dangerous on the rush tonight.

- Garland wasn't great in the 3rd but through 40 minutes he absolutely carried his line.

- Debrusk is really struggling to find his place in the roster. Probably our least effective forward tonight. Supposed to be a sniper but not really getting in shooting positions.

- Brannstrom was pretty solid in his first couple games but started getting some happy feet and confidence tonight and was legitimately good. Moved pucks up the ice in a hurry, skated well, didn't really do much wrong defensively.

- Desharnais had some very good shifts ... and then a couple very bad moments. Sometimes you can see where he could be a really important player 50 games from now and other times you think he'll be in the press box 50 games from now.

- Lankinen made some very good saves. Was a little late reacting on the 2-0 goal but the save on Letang at 2-0 immediately before we pop 3 goals was absolutely massive.
 

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WHEW - potential blowout turned into squeaker. Third was about as bad you can play and first wasn't much better. Outside of the "outburst" this wasn't pretty. Looked at another way, however, maybe you could say that you are a decent team when you can win playing like they did for much of the game.

Good

Sherwood - wish you could put some of his energy into a few of the other bodies out there. Virtually carried shifts all game. Like Garland gives it all the time, and like Garland is effective.

Garland - tailed off in the third and couldn't carry as much of the play as he did through first and second. As he sagged, so did the team illustrating his importance.

Lankanin - saves he made early in the second were absolutely critical. Canucks could have easily been down 4 - 0. Again huge late in the game. Looks like a bona vide starter to me.

Hronek - carried Hughes again in his end. I think he has clearly been our best d- man this season.

Brannstrom - did a lot of covering for Desharnais and puck movement was good. Does not seem overwhelmed in his end as might have been feared.

Bains - great to see him score and he put in hard shifts every time out. Might have deserved more time in the third given the way some of the Canucks were playing

Sprong - overall good effort. Was no worse than many in his end and did provide some offensive push. Would play him ahead of Heinen.

Not So Good

Desharnais - his poor skating led directly to two of the goals. Frobert can't come back too soon.

Heinen - back to being no good. Looked to be floating much of the game. Not hard, at all, on his checking and just drifted out of play in the offensive end. The contrast b/t him and a player Sherwood is immense.

de Brusk - needs so be better than this. Not in sync with any of the lines he is put on.

Others

Myers - nice little tribute but it didn't seem to inspire Myers to a very good game. Clubbed at the puck too much and too many shifts were spend thrashing around in his crease and around his net. With Soucy, he did help kill off some time late in the game, but he rarely looked on top of his game.

Miller - One of the reasons the PP struggled. That and Boesers inability to put away chances. Scored, but goal was kind of a fluke.

Pettersson - nice goal but again too much start and stop in his play. Somehow must stay on his feet better. Maybe little indications (baby steps as Miller might say ) in the right direction.

At this point, it's getting clearer who was, and who was not a good off-season pick up. Lankanin and Sherwood appear excellent additions but Desharnais, Heinen, and DeBrusk (and I say Deharnais in particular) look more dubious. Don't think we've seen enough of Forbert or Sprong to say either way. Add that Brasnnstrom trade looks good to date.
uhhh..

im pretty sure the tying goal was only possible because of Heinon's relentless forecheck

He's kinda underappreciate on this board now
 
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3/3 for shitty 3rd periods at home. Would like to see that change.

Looked a little cocky in the 3rd, like they figured the game was in the bag. Credit that old AF Pens team with digging deep in the final period of dismal road trip.

Have to think Brannstrom stays in over one of Forbort or Desharnais. Maybe Soucy too. I think we see Forbort-Brannstrom next game.

Another strong game from Lanky. Next game should go to Silovs though.

Bottom 6 looks strong. Joshua returning will really give us some big matchup advantages.

Go Petey. Go Sprong. Go Bains. Hope all 3 took a step tonight.

4 in a row. Let's roll!
 

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3/3 for shitty 3rd periods at home. Would like to see that change.

Looked a little cocky in the 3rd, like they figured the game was in the bag. Credit that old AF Pens team with digging deep in the final period of dismal road trip.

Have to think Brannstrom stays in over one of Forbort or Desharnais. Maybe Soucy too. I think we see Forbort-Brannstrom next game.

Another strong game from Lanky. Next game should go to Silovs though.

Bottom 6 looks strong. Joshua returning will really give us some big matchup advantages.

Go Petey. Go Sprong. Go Bains. Hope all 3 took a step tonight.

4 in a row. Let's roll!
To me this has been biggest consistent problem under Tok. Team struggless to playing full 60.
 
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Created a boatload of chances. Gave up only a handful but they were grade A. Overall not the most convincing victory considering we were rested against a bad team on a B2B but enough good things to take out of this one.

I've mentioned several times before the season started how I wasn't too high on Blueger but there's no doubt he's been excellent in his role thus far. Last season he did fade pretty hard after a strong 1st half so we'll see where this goes but obviously hoping he keeps it up.

Honestly not understanding the consternation over Heinen, even before that 2 goal game. The idea of him being somewhere in the top-6 was likely ambitious, but he's essentially another Suter type where he's going to be invisible a lot of times yet be strong in his details and will still quietly pick up enough points to justify a regular spot. He and Suter on the 4th line heading into the playoffs would be incredible depth and value @ 4M combined cap.

Similar feelings on Debrusk but he's getting paid 2.5x Heinen and gets a lot of premium minutes. Has been solid overall but does simply need to produce goals.

Pettersson wasn't great overall but I thought him ripping that puck was a very good sign. I was actually shocked he didn't hesitate or try to make a cute pass and instead let it go almost instantly which is the type of decisiveness he needs to have to reach his top gear.
 
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ChilliBilly

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Win a couple more and we are near the top of the league again.

As it is, we are tied for 6th in league right now, (with 4 other teams) at 3 games over .500 .

Then again, things always look good when you are riding a 4 game winning streak.

In the next 2 weeks we don't play a single game against a team presently ahead of us in the standings. (Car and LA are tied with us).
 
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JT Milker

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Disagree with some of the 'played one period' 'lucky win' stuff. We had a slow start for the first 8 minutes and were outshot 7-2 and down 1-0 ... and then for the next ~40 minutes we absolutely pancaked them with the shots 31-5 in our favour for that stretch until we sat back a bit too much at 4-2 for the last 12-15 minutes of the game. This game should have been about 6-2 after 2 periods with the amount of chances we had but Boeser in particular missed about 5 glorious looks.

- thank f*** Pettersson scored, and hopefully that's a big goal in getting him back to form. Actually thought this game was a step backward after he was pretty good against Chicago ... more sloppy play, less involved offensively tonight.

- Blueger and Sherwood were probably the two best forwards, incredible how cheap we have these guys signed for for 2 more years. Both just tireless at both ends of the rink.

- even if he didn't score, that was easily the best NHL game for Arshdeep Bains. Looked legitimately good tonight, showed some really nice chemistry with Sprong, battled hard at both ends of the rink and was involved in several quality chances.

- Sprong's best game also, glad Tocchet didn't hold that ridiculously soft late penalty against him. Competed well. really dangerous on the rush tonight.

- Garland wasn't great in the 3rd but through 40 minutes he absolutely carried his line.

- Debrusk is really struggling to find his place in the roster. Probably our least effective forward tonight. Supposed to be a sniper but not really getting in shooting positions.

- Brannstrom was pretty solid in his first couple games but started getting some happy feet and confidence tonight and was legitimately good. Moved pucks up the ice in a hurry, skated well, didn't really do much wrong defensively.

- Desharnais had some very good shifts ... and then a couple very bad moments. Sometimes you can see where he could be a really important player 50 games from now and other times you think he'll be in the press box 50 games from now.

- Lankinen made some very good saves. Was a little late reacting on the 2-0 goal but the save on Letang at 2-0 immediately before we pop 3 goals was absolutely massive.
Voice of reason. Heinen should be moved down the lines despite scoring two goals last game and his line is absolutely rolling? Debrusk a bad signing less than 10 games in? Team got dominated by the pens despite every metric showing otherwise? People galaxy braining ITT.
 

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Voice of reason. Heinen should be moved down the lines despite scoring two goals last game and his line is absolutely rolling? Debrusk a bad signing less than 10 games in? Team got dominated by the pens despite every metric showing otherwise? People galaxy braining ITT.
Wut?
 

ManVanFan

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When Joshua is back. How will the lines go???
actual gf-ga 5v5
Sherwood-Blueger-Heinen 4-0
Debrusk-Miller-Boeser 2-1
Hoglander-Pettersson-Garland 2-2

Current 3 most common line mates.

Leaves Joshua, Suter, Bains, Sprong, Aman.
 

thecupismine

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Missed the game, but accurately called the score. Brother texted me while I was out saying he went to the bathroom for a minute and came back to see a 2-0 deficit turn into a 3-2 lead - wild game!

Nice to see Petey on the board, and a goal from every line. You can see from the highlights that the counter attack from this team is much better from a structural perspective than last year - it’s a theme that’s been touched on since the start of camp, and it’s been cool watching it play out in action this year so far (even if it’s only in the highlights like tonight).

Saw Debrusk with limited ice time - I’m presuming he did not get his motor going. In theory his best fit in this lineup was always with Miller, but the dude needs to hustle out there and grind in the corners for puck retrievals. If he plays like a souped up PDG, he’ll grab a lot of ES points on the Miller line.

Also huge props to Bains getting his first goal - I was at a party with a bunch of Punjabi people in Ontario and the whole place went nuts as soon as he scored (even though they’re leafs fans). Really cool moment.
 
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