Sportsnet: Giroux talks very quiet, Flyers not believed to have been offered any big deals

[Ararana]

My bet: Colarado and Philly already have a deal in place, and he will be moved after his 1000 game.

As a Leaf fan I would be astonished if he doesnt get moved, as he will easily get a 1st+ good young prospect. Giroux from the way he has talked about the team since he was drafted, I could also see him signing back with Philly.

This is my running theory as well. Too much smoke with the Avs, our AGM has pretty much lived in Philly the last month, and any Avs fan will tell you when things go super quiet around the Avs that's usually when things are getting serious.

I could be dead wrong but my guess is Philly and Colorado already have a deal worked out and they're just waiting until closer to the deadline for multiple reasons. It would also explain why all the Giroux talk went quiet lately.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I'm not surprised if Flyers haven't been offered any big deals, but that wouldn't be because Giroux isn't top player anymore or cap fit anywhere. It would be because other GM's are watching the Fletcher muppet show very closely so they naturally think they can fleece him at the deadline.
And they're right, I personally think a 2nd and pair of gritty AHL goons will be the final price while it should be a 1st and passable prospect at least.

Oh man if that ends up being the deal they take that’s a travesty. Especially with a few of the other top trade deadline targets getting injured.

 

[Lemieuxs]

I think the reason that other teams might not be offering a huge sum is because there is a general feeling that Claude will simply re-sign with the Flyers in the summer. It really does not make sense that the Flyers are trading him with the exception of that scenario. The Flyers do not make the playoffs; They trade their number one player for as much assets as they can get; they re-sign their captain in the summer. Win-Win. Claude gets to compete for a cup, the team gets a bunch of assets, and they get their Captain back in the summer.

Teams probably see this playing out and are hesitant to pay a huge sum for a guy that will almost certainly not re-sign with you.

 

[Accelleratii]

People suggesting Giroux isn't worth it - he's way past his prime, his point output stinks, whatever, seem to forget that he plays for the damn Flyers, who are just terrible and don't have a half decent player in the top 6 besides Giroux. He aint the problem, the Flyers are!

If Giroux ever had a true player on his flank, you would all be singing a different tune. So put him in a good situation with skilled players and no one will regret trading for him.

 

[McJedi]

fwiw and of course it could change at any moment (starts at 2:45)

Great to hear. Really don’t think the Avs need to get aggressive for this player. He’s not what they need most. If he comes at a reasonable cost, go get him but winning a potential bidding war should be of no interest to Sakic. Let the Panthers or Rangers go nuts if they want too.

But it doesn’t sound like any of the real contenders are eager. Glad Minnesota has fallen from contender status. Hard to apply that label to St Louis either.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Honestly, I'm totally fine if the Flyers just re-sign him now.

Fletch will NOT get value for him anyway, because he's a complete imbecile, so the best thing for my health as a Flyers fan would be re-upping Giroux for 3 more years.

 

[SEALBound]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

 

[FlyguyOX]

I think the reason that other teams might not be offering a huge sum is because there is a general feeling that Claude will simply re-sign with the Flyers in the summer. It really does not make sense that the Flyers are trading him with the exception of that scenario. The Flyers do not make the playoffs; They trade their number one player for as much assets as they can get; they re-sign their captain in the summer. Win-Win. Claude gets to compete for a cup, the team gets a bunch of assets, and they get their Captain back in the summer.

Teams probably see this playing out and are hesitant to pay a huge sum for a guy that will almost certainly not re-sign with you.

Probably right. Claude seemed sincerely distraught at having to leave Philly in last night's postgame.

"This isn't a position or decision I thought I'd ever have to be in" or something to that effect. Definitely doesn't sound like a guy excited to make a run for the cup, though we all know once he's in that position that there's no one as competitive as G.

 

[Boxscore]

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

The Flyers would (should) jump on that offer. Don't see it happening though.

 

[FlyguyOX]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

I think you're insane.

 

[Dooble08]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

Yeah so Nick Foligno was just traded for a 1st and a 4th. Whatever the Flyers get in return is going to be more than that.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Probably right. Claude seemed sincerely distraught at having to leave Philly in last night's postgame.

"This isn't a position or decision I thought I'd ever have to be in" or something to that effect. Definitely doesn't sound like a guy excited to make a run for the cup, though we all know once he's in that position that there's no one as competitive as G.

Exact quote:

“I didn’t think I’d be put in a position to make a decision. It’s probably been the worst year since I’ve been here. It’s been a tough year. Obviously there’s been a lot of injuries, but I’m not going to start making excuses. It’s been a tough year. … I don’t know what else to say. It’s not a position I really want to be in. Obviously there’s still some meeting and some things to talk about with the management to see what the game plan is, not just for this year, but for the future.”

Also reported here that he prefers Carolina with Florida also in the mix. Pretty reliable site

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[SEALBound]

Yeah so Nick Foligno was just traded for a 1st and a 4th. Whatever the Flyers get in return is going to be more than that.

Yeah but that involved a three-way with other picks and players being sent around to accommodate salary retention. If Giroux needs a 50% salary retention via a third team then, sure, I can see the return being roughly equal to that. But that doesn't necessarily change my initial valuation.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

2nd + 5 or B prospect is silly for a guy like Giroux. Giroux is a gamechanger for a team.

 

[Dooble08]

Yeah but that involved a three-way with other picks and players being sent around to accommodate salary retention. If Giroux needs a 50% salary retention via a third team then, sure, I can see the return being roughly equal to that. But that doesn't necessarily change my initial valuation.

The trade was Columbus sends Nick Foligno to Toronto for a 1st and a 4th. Then Toronto sends 50% of his salary and a 4th to San Jose for Noesen (to play in the AHL).

Your initial valuation is way off base for a player of Giroux's caliber. It may be a lot more along the lines for a generic 34 year old rental.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Beyond being a cup contender that Giroux has lined up against 4 times this season, perhaps playing for Brind’Amour at the ASG made an impression.

Rumors and public statements by the GM have solely focused on defense. Carolina has limited cap space.

 

[C0DITH]

Any of the possible teams listed in the rumors would get a massive addition in Giroux. Without a doubt, he would be a PPG guy on a team that is contending. What he would add to a Power Play that isn't dead last, or even PK if needed. The utility of what he can bring in almost all areas are added value.

 

[Freaky Styley]

not sure why G would be so upset at the prospect of leaving Philly. He's a UFA this season and can always re-sign there in the offseason. If that's his plan, it makes even more sense to get traded to a contender to improve the team you plan on re-signing with, while also having the chance for a Cup. It's a rare win-win-win. If he wants to re-sign in Philly it seems the only thing that would prevent that is Flyers management.

As others have mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a deal already in place (with the Avs). There were a flurry of rumours a month ago and now all is quiet. Landeskog's injury will likely open up cap space, and Giroux will play his 1000th game as a Flyer this week. Avs operate in secrecy so when things are quiet it means things are about to happen.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

You are absolutely clueless. Please rethink your values.

 

[FlyguyOX]

not sure why G would be so upset at the prospect of leaving Philly. He's a UFA this season and can always re-sign there in the offseason. If that's his plan, it makes even more sense to get traded to a contender to improve the team you plan on re-signing with, while also having the chance for a Cup. It's a rare win-win-win. If he wants to re-sign in Philly it seems the only thing that would prevent that is Flyers management.

As others have mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a deal already in place (with the Avs). There were a flurry of rumours a month ago and now all is quiet. Landeskog's injury will likely open up cap space, and Giroux will play his 1000th game as a Flyer this week. Avs operate in secrecy so when things are quiet it means things are about to happen.

Has two toddlers at home and been with the city/team his whole career. Plenty of reasons. He's human

 

[Freaky Styley]

Has two toddlers at home and been with the city/team his whole career. Plenty of reasons. He's human

My point was he can return to the city just after a few months for the rest of his career, potentially with a Cup ring and better organizational depth. What's to lose?

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

I can see other GMs not offering a lot solely because Chuck gets taken out to the woodshed on every deal he makes. Not because Giroux isn't worth it.

 

[JohnHodgson]

An older UFA rental. They just aren't worth that much, relative to the price we've seen paid for younger RFAs with extra years on their deal.

1st+top prospect, no.
1st+B prospect, no.
1st, no.
2nd+top prospect, no
2nd+B prospect, close.
2nd, closest.

I think you're looking at 2nd+5th or B prospect honestly.

Delusional

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Plenty more speculation from Friedman and Marek today on Colorado. Friedman specifically mentions how much Philly has scouted them and their farm and how well they know everybody in their system. Even more specifically mentioned Helleson as someone they like. I have a feeling it’s pretty much a done deal that’s where he’s heading. The bigger question is, who’s going with him? Colorado have heavily scouted Philly for about a month now and we all know it wasn’t for Giroux 900 games into his career. Is it Braun? Or is it a bigger fish like Sanheim/Provorov?