Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina, or Edmonton

[Static]

Top 10 overall this year

Hah! This is very funny to frame this as derogatory.

You don't want him, that's cool, but the reasoning (wins? only top 10?) is extremely weird.

 

[Static]

Also very funny to reference that list to see where Edmonton's current goaltenders sit (61st, 75th). Eesh. They could probably use an upgrade!

 

[BlueSeal]

Hah! This is very funny to frame this as derogatory.

You don't want him, that's cool, but the reasoning (wins? only top 10?) is extremely weird.

It's a joke because he's only won nine games this year. So yes, ONLY top 10?

He's 9-9-2 which is 42nd best this year.

I mean you posted the link to respond to my post which... kind of proves my point more than whatever it was that you were presenting. Truth to be told, if the Oilers are hunting for netminding and are spending assets that the Ducks will demand for Gibson... get the real thing now. Gibson was that... 5-7 years ago.

 

[Static]

It's a joke because he's only won nine games this year. So yes, ONLY top 10?

I don't think you understand how impressive this is. To be top 10 in that goaltending statistic with so few wins implies how bad the team has been around him and he has excelled despite that.

To use it as some sort of demerit fundamentally misunderstands the relationship between the two metrics. I'm sure you're joking though. Or just asking questions.

 

[BlueSeal]

I don't think you understand how impressive this is. To be top 10 in a goaltending metric with so few wins implies how bad the team has been around him and he has excelled despite that.

To use it as some sort of demerit fundamentally misunderstands the relationship between the two metrics. I'm sure you're joking though. Or just asking questions.

That's for this year and that number could easily plummet to what last year's was by the end of the season. Over the past 5 years he's been at or sub .900 and allowing roughly 3 goals per game. Mind that I think Gibson is great but the time for him being that netminder is slipping from him and the Ducks have no interest in moving him as if they have a shot at making the playoffs and are stuck pre-2018 or they want the moon for him with his M-NTC contract. Acquiring him could easily be a 'Ryan Miller to the Blues' kind of situation and I'm still having nightmares about that to this day, even with a Cup.

 

[Ducks DVM]

23 GP and has only won 9. Yeahhh, I'd keep Skinner. If you're spending the kind of assets that Anaheim would want for him, I'd get another legit top Dman or a finisher that can help McDavid over a netminder.

Since we are looking at team stats

Average Goals For
Talbot : 2.98 (19th for goalies >=20GP)
Gibson : 2.32 (45th for goalies >=20GP)

There are only 3 goalies who’ve been in 20+ games that get less goal support than Gibson does. Wins are a team stat.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Yeah see we just will have to agree to disagree. Gibson had one terrible season (last year) and otherwise has pretty much always been the same goalie, with his numbers being aligned with what's in front him. Putting up a .900 SV% in 50+ games behind the worst team of the modern era, was an accomplishment. There are goalies who struggle to put up those numbers on good teams. No one around the game has ever been as down on him as people who just glance at stats and don't apply context. NHL execs still voted him a top 15 goalie just a year ago. You saying he's had poor value for years is just an opinion and I don't believe it's actually shared around the league.

Now what is shared around the league (except in Edmonton, or at least by the media and his cult) is, to quote the article below, "It’s not that Stuart Skinner is a terrible goaltender, it’s just that he’s an average goaltender potentially holding back the ambitions of one of the best teams in the league."

Ranking the NHL's 32 Starting Goalies – Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers NHL Goaltending Latest News, Analysis & More

The 2024-25 NHL season has as strong a group of goaltenders as ever before, but who takes the cake as the cream of the crop?

thehockeywriters.com

As the name implies, it's a ranking of the league's 32 starters. Guess where Skinner finished? 26th

The only goalies behind him were on non-playoff teams. One of them was just put on waivers (and has the same goalie coach as Stu...). Even former Oiler Cam Talbot finished higher...