International: German Junior National Teams

[Chapin Landvogt]

Does anyone know what happened to Paul Vinzens? Was he just healthy scratched forever after the USA game or did he get hurt?

He was dressed as the extra forward in the game against the Finns and then not once after that.

He must have fallen out of favor.

And Elias Pul was "only" the extra forward for the last three games.

Before the tournament, I thought both would surely be playing in the top 6.

By the relegation round, I thought Maul was one of the better forwards and was playing with a lot of confidence. He and Vinzenz play the same type of game, so I can imagine that in Abstreiter's book, he was kind of only going with one of them.

I also understand fully why they'd stick with Münzenberger and Sager on the lower lines. They are simply hard to play against and both stuck to their job.

I knew Ruckdäschel would be important as a banger, but I wouldn't have thought he'd stick with Sumpf on line 1 throughout the tourney.

The program seems to really like Seidl and Schwarz. Haven't quite seen why yet, although they can play responsibly. Next to Maul, they were basically the RWs in the top 9, with Seidl playing on the first line. Brandl was the center on the 4th line and I thought he was pretty noticeable by the relegation game.

Can't argue with the results, but at the end of the day, Vinzenz becoming a scratch (unless injured, which wasn't reported) is one of the disappointing results here. I thought this would be the tourney where he breaks out internationally. He's done VERY well with the RB Juniors this season and I felt he looked very strong against Slovakia in the test games.

 

[pgfan66]

He was dressed as the extra forward in the game against the Finns and then not once after that.

He must have fallen out of favor.

And Elias Pul was "only" the extra forward for the last three games.

Before the tournament, I thought both would surely be playing in the top 6.

By the relegation round, I thought Maul was one of the better forwards and was playing with a lot of confidence. He and Vinzenz play the same type of game, so I can imagine that in Abstreiter's book, he was kind of only going with one of them.

I also understand fully why they'd stick with Münzenberger and Sager on the lower lines. They are simply hard to play against and both stuck to their job.

I knew Ruckdäschel would be important as a banger, but I wouldn't have thought he'd stick with Sumpf on line 1 throughout the tourney.

The program seems to really like Seidl and Schwarz. Haven't quite seen why yet, although they can play responsibly. Next to Maul, they were basically the RWs in the top 9, with Seidl playing on the first line. Brandl was the center on the 4th line and I thought he was pretty noticeable by the relegation game.

Can't argue with the results, but at the end of the day, Vinzenz becoming a scratch (unless injured, which wasn't reported) is one of the disappointing results here. I thought this would be the tourney where he breaks out internationally. He's done VERY well with the RB Juniors this season and I felt he looked very strong against Slovakia in the test games.

Fully agree with most of what you said. My projected top line was Pul-Sumpf-Vinzens, so I was definitely surprised 2/3 of that group barely played. I honestly never see Vinzens play so that was mostly because of his stats and the fact there’s a Red Bull connection, so whatever. But I do like Pul, I liked him a lot in the relegation game, and absolutely think he deserved more ice time.

I mostly agree with all the other things you mentioned. Seidl would’ve been nowhere near my top line and I thought moving Lewandowski up to replace Seidl in the relegation game was a good move. Probably should’ve done that much earlier.

I also understood why the 4th line was what it was, but for me it was just too slow. Three below-average skaters on the same line is usually a bad idea. I think Samanski could’ve done the same job but with a little more pace to his game.

At the end of the day, it’s tough to build a lineup with the available players. I don’t think Sager deserved to be a WJC player but I also understand having him on the 4th line over guys like Vinzens or Boos. Just as one example. But I feel like some improvements would’ve been possible.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Fully agree with most of what you said. My projected top line was Pul-Sumpf-Vinzens, so I was definitely surprised 2/3 of that group barely played. I honestly never see Vinzens play so that was mostly because of his stats and the fact there’s a Red Bull connection, so whatever. But I do like Pul, I liked him a lot in the relegation game, and absolutely think he deserved more ice time.

I mostly agree with all the other things you mentioned. Seidl would’ve been nowhere near my top line and I thought moving Lewandowski up to replace Seidl in the relegation game was a good move. Probably should’ve done that much earlier.

I also understood why the 4th line was what it was, but for me it was just too slow. Three below-average skaters on the same line is usually a bad idea. I think Samanski could’ve done the same job but with a little more pace to his game.

At the end of the day, it’s tough to build a lineup with the available players. I don’t think Sager deserved to be a WJC player but I also understand having him on the 4th line over guys like Vinzens or Boos. Just as one example. But I feel like some improvements would’ve been possible.

Re: Samanski, they had him centering Maul and Schäfer on the 3rd line for most of the tournament. He got better as the tourney went along. I thought he looked a bit weak in the test games against Slovakia beforehand.

And the second line as of the game against Finland was Lewandowski-Boos-Schwarz. I think Boos was definitely the winner at this tourney because he went from being unlikely in the summer to being the 2nd line center as an 18-year-old. Not shabby!

Also, I'd say Lewandowski is in a good place in his development. He played with confidence and we saw some good things, particularly east-west movement with the puck. There could have been some better decisions but he showed the kind of hands and creativity that we're not often seeing from German prospects. I'm sure he didn't harm his draft value in this tournament.

I'd also point out that I thought Tropmann filled in well as captain and did indeed produce along the way, even if he was a -7. Wonder if this tournament was enough to re-peak any draft curiosity?

 

[Maverick41]

Yeah, the usage of Pul and Vinzens was surprising. Vinzens has always been a bit inconsistent when I watched him. Sometimes he was looking as good as Sumpf on his best day, but other times he disappeared completely. Pul on the other hand has been as consistent as anyone I have watched from this group.

But even with those two playing bigger roles this team still would have been lacking in speed and creativity, which is why Bicker and Schreiner were missed even more than they would have anyway.
I don't know what the timeline with the nomination and Willhöft's injury was, but I am wondering if he may have been in consideration for the team, since he would also have brought those same elements the team was sorely lacking.

I have not watched all the games (missed the entire US game and parts of the Canada game), but based on what I have seen these are my thoughts aobut the defensemen

Carlos Händel:
For me Händel was our best defensemen out there. He wasn't perfect or even great by any means, but in the games I saw he was a clear net positive. He was basically the only defenseman that actually managed to pull off some of the things he tried. He also looked better defensively than I had seen him in a long time. He still overdid things at times, but I'll take that bad with the good.

Max Hense:
Hense was a pleasant surprise for me. There was a time when I thought he could become quite good, but since then he did not progress as I had hoped. But in this tournament he made a lot of correct decisions. He kept the game simple, was physical and had an active stick breaking up plays. Nothing spectacular, but solid.

Rio Kaiser:
Kaiser did not play a lot, and I was ok with that. It's not like he was horrible when he played, but he did not really contribute in a positive way, either. Clearly the #7D in my eyes.

Kilian Kühnhauser:
I am sorry, but this was bad. Kühnhauser had already struggled in the pre-tournament games I saw, and it only got worse in the tournament. He looked completely out of his depth most of the time.

Paul Mayer:
If I had to describe Mayer's play in a couple of words, I would call it mostly inoffensive. Yes, he lost a few too many puck battles, but overall I saw fewer mistakes from him than from any defenseman not names Hense or Niehus. Unfortunately his transition game was non-existent when I watched. For a 3rd pairing his play was ok, I guess.

Lua Niehus:
Next to Hense the most solid dman in his own end. He also broke up a few rushes from the other teams with his stick at his own blue line. He had a few nice passes, but was mostly focused on defense. I actually had hoped for more from him based on how well he was playing this season, but he wasn't really bad, at least not by comparison to the rest of the team.

Norwin Panocha:
I was very worried about him before the tournament, and I was actually somewhat happy with his play, as it was a big improvement to the last few times I saw him. But overall he seemed to struggle more as the tournament went on, though mostly he was just inconsistent. At times he almost looked like his old self, skating the puck out of danger, making high percentage plays to get the puck out of the dzone. But then there were just too many instances of him turning the puck over needlessly. I don't know if it was lack of confidence, or just sloppy play. His board play was also a big problem for me.

Edwin Tropmann:
Tropmann, like Händel, showed good and bad, it's just that it was more bad than good as far as I am concerned. On the plus side, I liked his play in the offensive zone especially on the power play. He moved his feet and the puck very well. His shot was a pleasant surprise, with regard to both power and accuracy. But his stupid turnovers, often by telegraphing passes, were too much for me. Especially against Latvia and Kazakhstan I was really annoyed with his transition play. Maybe I am selling him a bit short, but those turnovers just stuck with me.

I am thinking about doing a little preview for next year later. Making a most certainly completely incorrect prediction what next year's roster could look like.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Yeah, the usage of Pul and Vinzens was surprising. Vinzens has always been a bit inconsistent when I watched him. Sometimes he was looking as good as Sumpf on his best day, but other times he disappeared completely. Pul on the other hand has been as consistent as anyone I have watched from this group.

But even with those two playing bigger roles this team still would have been lacking in speed and creativity, which is why Bicker and Schreiner were missed even more than they would have anyway.
I don't know what the timeline with the nomination and Willhöft's injury was, but I am wondering if he may have been in consideration for the team, since he would also have brought those same elements the team was sorely lacking.

I have not watched all the games (missed the entire US game and parts of the Canada game), but based on what I have seen these are my thoughts aobut the defensemen

Carlos Händel:
For me Händel was our best defensemen out there. He wasn't perfect or even great by any means, but in the games I saw he was a clear net positive. He was basically the only defenseman that actually managed to pull off some of the things he tried. He also looked better defensively than I had seen him in a long time. He still overdid things at times, but I'll take that bad with the good.

Max Hense:
Hense was a pleasant surprise for me. There was a time when I thought he could become quite good, but since then he did not progress as I had hoped. But in this tournament he made a lot of correct decisions. He kept the game simple, was physical and had an active stick breaking up plays. Nothing spectacular, but solid.

Rio Kaiser:
Kaiser did not play a lot, and I was ok with that. It's not like he was horrible when he played, but he did not really contribute in a positive way, either. Clearly the #7D in my eyes.

Kilian Kühnhauser:
I am sorry, but this was bad. Kühnhauser had already struggled in the pre-tournament games I saw, and it only got worse in the tournament. He looked completely out of his depth most of the time.

Paul Mayer:
If I had to describe Mayer's play in a couple of words, I would call it mostly inoffensive. Yes, he lost a few too many puck battles, but overall I saw fewer mistakes from him than from any defenseman not names Hense or Niehus. Unfortunately his transition game was non-existent when I watched. For a 3rd pairing his play was ok, I guess.

Lua Niehus:
Next to Hense the most solid dman in his own end. He also broke up a few rushes from the other teams with his stick at his own blue line. He had a few nice passes, but was mostly focused on defense. I actually had hoped for more from him based on how well he was playing this season, but he wasn't really bad, at least not by comparison to the rest of the team.

Norwin Panocha:
I was very worried about him before the tournament, and I was actually somewhat happy with his play, as it was a big improvement to the last few times I saw him. But overall he seemed to struggle more as the tournament went on, though mostly he was just inconsistent. At times he almost looked like his old self, skating the puck out of danger, making high percentage plays to get the puck out of the dzone. But then there were just too many instances of him turning the puck over needlessly. I don't know if it was lack of confidence, or just sloppy play. His board play was also a big problem for me.

Edwin Tropmann:
Tropmann, like Händel, showed good and bad, it's just that it was more bad than good as far as I am concerned. On the plus side, I liked his play in the offensive zone especially on the power play. He moved his feet and the puck very well. His shot was a pleasant surprise, with regard to both power and accuracy. But his stupid turnovers, often by telegraphing passes, were too much for me. Especially against Latvia and Kazakhstan I was really annoyed with his transition play. Maybe I am selling him a bit short, but those turnovers just stuck with me.

I am thinking about doing a little preview for next year later. Making a most certainly completely incorrect prediction what next year's roster could look like.

Good stuff!

I was the first to be surprised at Willhöft's omission. But in light of the injury that clearly kept him out of U18 play as well, he was out one way or the other. He has to be seen as a lock for next year at this point though.

Schreiner certainly would have been a boon as well. What a bummer for him to get injured in late November. He would have brought a good chunk of pro experience with him.

That they maintained the class without Bicker is an achievement in and of itself. I look at how teams like the US have been using a player like Eiserman as a 13th forward with almost solely PP looks - and then think about how much a player like Bicker was so missed here. Just worlds apart.

PS) I agree with you wholey on Hense. Felt he kept things safe and simple. It was understandable why Abstreiter kept going with him.

 

[pgfan66]

Re: Samanski, they had him centering Maul and Schäfer on the 3rd line for most of the tournament. He got better as the tourney went along. I thought he looked a bit weak in the test games against Slovakia beforehand.

And the second line as of the game against Finland was Lewandowski-Boos-Schwarz. I think Boos was definitely the winner at this tourney because he went from being unlikely in the summer to being the 2nd line center as an 18-year-old. Not shabby!

Also, I'd say Lewandowski is in a good place in his development. He played with confidence and we saw some good things, particularly east-west movement with the puck. There could have been some better decisions but he showed the kind of hands and creativity that we're not often seeing from German prospects. I'm sure he didn't harm his draft value in this tournament.

I'd also point out that I thought Tropmann filled in well as captain and did indeed produce along the way, even if he was a -7. Wonder if this tournament was enough to re-peak any draft curiosity?

Boos was a weird one too. He played a lot in the first three games but his ice time went way down when it mattered. He only got 12 minutes vs. Latvia and, like I said above, was replaced by Pul in the third period against Kazakhstan. That's when Abstreiter changed the top 6 to Lewandowski-Sumpf-Ruckdäschel and Pul-Seidl-Schwarz.

Agreed on Tropmann. He was good. Not enough to be considered a draft prospect, though. He's still an average-sized physical D with no dynamic offensive skill. Not exactly the type of player NHL teams pursue. He should've made the jump to North America when he had the chance. Who knows, perhaps he'll manage to pull a Rio Kaiser and find a team for the rest of the year. The USHL is only halfway through their season.

Yeah, the usage of Pul and Vinzens was surprising. Vinzens has always been a bit inconsistent when I watched him. Sometimes he was looking as good as Sumpf on his best day, but other times he disappeared completely. Pul on the other hand has been as consistent as anyone I have watched from this group.

But even with those two playing bigger roles this team still would have been lacking in speed and creativity, which is why Bicker and Schreiner were missed even more than they would have anyway.
I don't know what the timeline with the nomination and Willhöft's injury was, but I am wondering if he may have been in consideration for the team, since he would also have brought those same elements the team was sorely lacking.

I have not watched all the games (missed the entire US game and parts of the Canada game), but based on what I have seen these are my thoughts aobut the defensemen

Carlos Händel:
For me Händel was our best defensemen out there. He wasn't perfect or even great by any means, but in the games I saw he was a clear net positive. He was basically the only defenseman that actually managed to pull off some of the things he tried. He also looked better defensively than I had seen him in a long time. He still overdid things at times, but I'll take that bad with the good.

Max Hense:
Hense was a pleasant surprise for me. There was a time when I thought he could become quite good, but since then he did not progress as I had hoped. But in this tournament he made a lot of correct decisions. He kept the game simple, was physical and had an active stick breaking up plays. Nothing spectacular, but solid.

Rio Kaiser:
Kaiser did not play a lot, and I was ok with that. It's not like he was horrible when he played, but he did not really contribute in a positive way, either. Clearly the #7D in my eyes.

Kilian Kühnhauser:
I am sorry, but this was bad. Kühnhauser had already struggled in the pre-tournament games I saw, and it only got worse in the tournament. He looked completely out of his depth most of the time.

Paul Mayer:
If I had to describe Mayer's play in a couple of words, I would call it mostly inoffensive. Yes, he lost a few too many puck battles, but overall I saw fewer mistakes from him than from any defenseman not names Hense or Niehus. Unfortunately his transition game was non-existent when I watched. For a 3rd pairing his play was ok, I guess.

Lua Niehus:
Next to Hense the most solid dman in his own end. He also broke up a few rushes from the other teams with his stick at his own blue line. He had a few nice passes, but was mostly focused on defense. I actually had hoped for more from him based on how well he was playing this season, but he wasn't really bad, at least not by comparison to the rest of the team.

Norwin Panocha:
I was very worried about him before the tournament, and I was actually somewhat happy with his play, as it was a big improvement to the last few times I saw him. But overall he seemed to struggle more as the tournament went on, though mostly he was just inconsistent. At times he almost looked like his old self, skating the puck out of danger, making high percentage plays to get the puck out of the dzone. But then there were just too many instances of him turning the puck over needlessly. I don't know if it was lack of confidence, or just sloppy play. His board play was also a big problem for me.

Edwin Tropmann:
Tropmann, like Händel, showed good and bad, it's just that it was more bad than good as far as I am concerned. On the plus side, I liked his play in the offensive zone especially on the power play. He moved his feet and the puck very well. His shot was a pleasant surprise, with regard to both power and accuracy. But his stupid turnovers, often by telegraphing passes, were too much for me. Especially against Latvia and Kazakhstan I was really annoyed with his transition play. Maybe I am selling him a bit short, but those turnovers just stuck with me.

I am thinking about doing a little preview for next year later. Making a most certainly completely incorrect prediction what next year's roster could look like.

I watched every German game and kind of agree with you on most things but also not really haha.

Händel: 100% agree.

Hense: It may still be based on (at this point) unreasonable expectations but I thought Hense's performances were mostly disappointing. Yes, he was mostly solid defensively and that's all he was there for, but he really struggled anytime he touched the puck. And if we're viewing him as a purely defensive D at this point, I think he has way too little physicality in his game.

Kaiser: Agreed.

Kühnhauser: Agreed. Never understood why they brought him in the first place.

Mayer: Not as bad as he once was but he showed his usual problems with the puck and I don't think they'll go away. He is what he is. Like you said, for a third-pairing guy, that's ok.

Niehus: Perhaps the biggest positive surprise for me. I never really liked him since his first DNL season, but it looks like he's developed quite well over the past couple years. For a smaller guy, he still doesn't have the necessary dynamic tools, but at the same time, being small results in him being a decent skater and that certainly helps on the defensive side of things too.

Panocha: It's so weird with him. You may recall I brought up his name pretty early here in his draft year when he wasn't really talked about yet and kept pushing his name because he just kept getting better and better that year. But somehow he's really struggled since then. I don't know if going to North America hurt him, but I'm really hoping he'll come home next season and play a decent role with Berlin. I believe they only have Hördler, Schneider and Schäfer as U23 players for next season as of today, and with Geibel turning 23, there should be a spot for him. I thought the world juniors were good for him. He wasn't high-end but he was a top-3 D for Germany along with Händel and Tropmann and that should be enough to have him back on track for a successful DEL rookie season.

Tropmann: See above.

 

[Maverick41]

If there are no significant injuries, I think the team next year will be slightly better than this year, but some guys like Sumpf will be really hard to replace.
This is the pool of players I would expect next year's team will be coming from. The players in bold are the ones I would pick as of now (3 G, 8 D, 14 F).

I may have overlooked some players, because I am doing this off the top of my head, without access to my database or the internet (I am writing this offline, and will copy & paste it later, when my internet works again). Maybe I will do a quick check before I post it, but I will probably just leave it as it is.


Goalies:
2006: Linus Vieillard, Lennart Neiße, Michail Elagin, Cole Danielsmeier
2007: Lukas Stuhrmann, Nikita Kluev, Aaron Kaiser, Noah Pfab, Bartholomäus Oswald, Kimi Saffran

I think we will be fine in goal. Vieillard was good this year and Neiße can be just as good. For the third goalie I would pick a 07 and right now I would go with either Pfab or Stuhrmann, but there are some other interesting options out there.


Defense:
2006: Max Hense, Matthias Pape, Rio Kaiser, Finn Serikow, Noah Hahn, Jacob Ficenec, Maximilian Merkl, Moritz Kretzschmar, Nikita Müller, Dominik Zerhoch, Manuel Schams, Robin Krening
2007: Carlos Händel, Max Bleicher, Fabio Kose, Niclas Hempel, Gregor Stocker, Felix Krüger, Matthias Harr, Timo Hausfelder, Cedric Wijacki, Philipp Stock, Albert Bicker, Simon Schlosser, Noah Smith, Moritz Warnecke
2008: Darian Rolsing, Daniel Kettler

The defense is cause for concern the 06s don't really project as being better or even nearly as good as the 05s this year. Hopefully Händel's development can compensate for some of that. I think Bleicher and Kose will also make the team, and guys like Hempel and/or Smith are totally in the mix. As of now, Hense, Pape and Kaiser are the only 06s that look like locks for me. Usually, I would not think that any 08s have a shot to make the team, but neither 06 nor 07 is blessed with an abundance of strong defensemen, so there is a small chance especially for Rolsing who has developed well so far this season.


Forwards:
2006: Elias Pul, Lenny Boos, Clemens Seeger, Bence Farkas, Simon Seidl, Tobias Schwarz, Maximilian Brunner, Nick Maul, Clemens Sager, Felix Kerbel, Tim Schütz, Nikolas Biggins, Maxime Bickel, Maximilian Oswald, Max Herzog
2007: David Lewandowski, Dustin Willhöft, Gustavs Griva, Rihards Griva, Mateu Späth, Max Ziergiebl, Sebastian Zwickl, Timo Kose, Elias Schneider, Maxim Schäfer, Nikita Kessler, Justus Kaufmann, Pepino Langmeier, Andreas Grin, Tobin Brandt
2008: Tobias Krestan, Mats Geppert, Lukas Greil, Vyacheslav Permitin
2009: Max Penkin, Jonas Schwarz, Jaden Switzer

The forwards will definitely offer a lot of depths. Whether or not the top-end talent will depend on the development of the 07s. If Lewandowski in particular, and guys like Willhöft, Schneider and Späth can improve a lot in this next year, we should have one of our better forward groups of recent years.

Because of this depth, I can only see one (or none) of Krestan or Penkin making this team. I went with Krestan, because I trust more in his development playing in Sweden, than I do in Penkin’s playing in Germany, even if he is playing against older competition. On the other hand, Penkin is possibly already the better player. Honestly, I could easily pick 20 forwards and make a solid case for each one of them. I could see us go with as few as four 2006 forwards or as many as nine. The only locks for me at this point are Pul, Boos, Seidl, Schwarz, Lewandowski, Schäfer, Kose, Schneider and Willhöft.

If I have missed any obvious candidates feel free to point them out. I just did a quick check on eliteprospects and noticed I had initially forgotten Fabio Kose, but beyond that I have not detected any glaring omissions.

 

[Jason80]

You should add Ben Stadler to the 06 group of defensemen. Considering his actual state of skill and developement, he should be a lock on the roster too. Personally I do not think that Merkl and Ficenec are good enough to make team. Rio Kaisers transfer to the OHL could open the door for Moritz Kretzschmar to the DEL team or at least for several appearences with the Lausitzer Füchse in the DEL2. Maybe he can climb up the ladder. Will be interesting what Hense an Pape will be doing after this DNL season. They haven't played pro hockey yet. Maybe they want do take the NCAA path but that's just speculations.

Forwards: Leon Bußmann (06) ist another potential candidate. He already had his first appearences in the DEL team this season. On the contrary Clemens Seeger has revoked his contract with Krefeld and is playing amateur hockey in Div. 4 by now.

I really hope that most of these players will make progress and play in better leagues next season.
Curious which guys of the 06 group will get nominated for the U19 tournament in march/april.

 

[pgfan66]

If there are no significant injuries, I think the team next year will be slightly better than this year, but some guys like Sumpf will be really hard to replace.
This is the pool of players I would expect next year's team will be coming from. The players in bold are the ones I would pick as of now (3 G, 8 D, 14 F).

I may have overlooked some players, because I am doing this off the top of my head, without access to my database or the internet (I am writing this offline, and will copy & paste it later, when my internet works again). Maybe I will do a quick check before I post it, but I will probably just leave it as it is.


Goalies:
2006: Linus Vieillard, Lennart Neiße, Michail Elagin, Cole Danielsmeier
2007: Lukas Stuhrmann, Nikita Kluev, Aaron Kaiser, Noah Pfab, Bartholomäus Oswald, Kimi Saffran

I think we will be fine in goal. Vieillard was good this year and Neiße can be just as good. For the third goalie I would pick a 07 and right now I would go with either Pfab or Stuhrmann, but there are some other interesting options out there.


Defense:
2006: Max Hense, Matthias Pape, Rio Kaiser, Finn Serikow, Noah Hahn, Jacob Ficenec, Maximilian Merkl, Moritz Kretzschmar, Nikita Müller, Dominik Zerhoch, Manuel Schams, Robin Krening
2007: Carlos Händel, Max Bleicher, Fabio Kose, Niclas Hempel, Gregor Stocker, Felix Krüger, Matthias Harr, Timo Hausfelder, Cedric Wijacki, Philipp Stock, Albert Bicker, Simon Schlosser, Noah Smith, Moritz Warnecke
2008: Darian Rolsing, Daniel Kettler

The defense is cause for concern the 06s don't really project as being better or even nearly as good as the 05s this year. Hopefully Händel's development can compensate for some of that. I think Bleicher and Kose will also make the team, and guys like Hempel and/or Smith are totally in the mix. As of now, Hense, Pape and Kaiser are the only 06s that look like locks for me. Usually, I would not think that any 08s have a shot to make the team, but neither 06 nor 07 is blessed with an abundance of strong defensemen, so there is a small chance especially for Rolsing who has developed well so far this season.


Forwards:
2006: Elias Pul, Lenny Boos, Clemens Seeger, Bence Farkas, Simon Seidl, Tobias Schwarz, Maximilian Brunner, Nick Maul, Clemens Sager, Felix Kerbel, Tim Schütz, Nikolas Biggins, Maxime Bickel, Maximilian Oswald, Max Herzog
2007: David Lewandowski, Dustin Willhöft, Gustavs Griva, Rihards Griva, Mateu Späth, Max Ziergiebl, Sebastian Zwickl, Timo Kose, Elias Schneider, Maxim Schäfer, Nikita Kessler, Justus Kaufmann, Pepino Langmeier, Andreas Grin, Tobin Brandt
2008: Tobias Krestan, Mats Geppert, Lukas Greil, Vyacheslav Permitin
2009: Max Penkin, Jonas Schwarz, Jaden Switzer

The forwards will definitely offer a lot of depths. Whether or not the top-end talent will depend on the development of the 07s. If Lewandowski in particular, and guys like Willhöft, Schneider and Späth can improve a lot in this next year, we should have one of our better forward groups of recent years.

Because of this depth, I can only see one (or none) of Krestan or Penkin making this team. I went with Krestan, because I trust more in his development playing in Sweden, than I do in Penkin’s playing in Germany, even if he is playing against older competition. On the other hand, Penkin is possibly already the better player. Honestly, I could easily pick 20 forwards and make a solid case for each one of them. I could see us go with as few as four 2006 forwards or as many as nine. The only locks for me at this point are Pul, Boos, Seidl, Schwarz, Lewandowski, Schäfer, Kose, Schneider and Willhöft.

If I have missed any obvious candidates feel free to point them out. I just did a quick check on eliteprospects and noticed I had initially forgotten Fabio Kose, but beyond that I have not detected any glaring omissions.

It's unfortunate that it's this hard to make projections for next year because even though it feels difficult to pick from a strong forward group, this usually means we're missing high-end talent.

If we assume there was a U19 world championship today, here's who I'd personally bring:

Lewandowski (07) - Boos (06) - Maul (06)
Schwarz (06) - Seidl (06) - Pul (06)
Schäfer (07) - Penkin (09) - Kose (07)
Tabert (06) - Schneider (07) - Sager (06)
Willhöft (07), Zwickl (07)

Hense (06) - Händel (07)
Kaiser (06) - Bleicher (07)
Kose (07) - Merkl (06)
Kretzschmar (06) - Stadler (06)

Vieillard (06)
Neiße (06)
Stuhrmann (07)

Forwards:

I feel very confident in bringing Penkin. He's already better than most players on that roster. Boos, Maul, Schwarz, Seidl, Pul are all solid 06s, Sager will be there for a bottom-six role as a returnee. I like the addition of Tabert as a big bottom-six workhorse.

Lewandowski will be the best forward, Schäfer is a lock as a returnee, Kose is basically a returnee too. Schneider has to improve his skating but I still like him the most here because of his strong two-way game.

The 07s that didn't make my lineup will require some tough calls. As of today, I'm still not sold on Willhöft's ability to play at the next level. I don't really like Späth but as U18's current captain, I think he's got a shot for sure. The Grivas are what they are, I don't think they'll be able to be skill players at the world junior level and they aren't really bottom-six grinders either. So I wouldn't mind Zwickl with his speed and energy and Brandt with his size and two-way game. If I have to pick two today for my hypothetical U19 worlds, I'll go Willhöft and Zwickl. Willhöft because he's one of the most skilled guys on the team and Zwickl because he can play both a skill role and a grinder/energy role.

Defense:

This was tough because I truly don't like many of these players. Hense, Kaiser and Händel are locks as returnees. Händel will log close to 30 minutes per game, at least as long as the games are close. Bleicher will be there because of his OHL experience even though I'm not yet convinced he'll get to stay in Owen Sound another year. Kose will be instructed to play a physical role and keep it simple with the puck.

The rest was really difficult but also not really. Difficult because the four I included are somewhat close together but also not really because there aren't many players to choose from. I thought about bringing Smith or Warnecke but I'd rather have older players than those two as of today. So I decided Merkl makes the lineup because he can skate and has some physicality. The other two I feel somewhat indifferent about and thought about bringing Pape instead but I don't think he's developed too well and would rather bring Kretzschmar, whom I like, and a guy who's a regular in the DEL2 already.

Goalies:

Vieillard and Neiße are easy since they're returnees and clearly the best 06s. Stuhrmann is also easy because he's been playing a year up for years and has always been Germany's No. 1. He was also the best goalie at the U18s in Zuchwil and he plays for a good program in Germany.

 

[Maverick41]

You should add Ben Stadler to the 06 group of defensemen. Considering his actual state of skill and developement, he should be a lock on the roster too. Personally I do not think that Merkl and Ficenec are good enough to make team. Rio Kaisers transfer to the OHL could open the door for Moritz Kretzschmar to the DEL team or at least for several appearences with the Lausitzer Füchse in the DEL2. Maybe he can climb up the ladder. Will be interesting what Hense an Pape will be doing after this DNL season. They haven't played pro hockey yet. Maybe they want do take the NCAA path but that's just speculations.

Forwards: Leon Bußmann (06) ist another potential candidate. He already had his first appearences in the DEL team this season. On the contrary Clemens Seeger has revoked his contract with Krefeld and is playing amateur hockey in Div. 4 by now.

I really hope that most of these players will make progress and play in better leagues next season.
Curious which guys of the 06 group will get nominated for the U19 tournament in march/april.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have to look into Stadler. The last time I watched him was last season when he was playing for Landshut's DNL team, and I did not notice him at all. That doesn't have to be a bad thing for a defenseman, but I actually had to check if he played in any of the games I watched last season and he did in 3 of them. Since I am not sold on most of the defense I'd have not problem putting him in instead of Ficencec or Merkl. I have to admit I have a bit of bias towards Pape, who would also be a logical candidate to be replaced, but I just like kid and think he would work well with someone like Hense for example.

It's unfortunate that it's this hard to make projections for next year because even though it feels difficult to pick from a strong forward group, this usually means we're missing high-end talent.

If we assume there was a U19 world championship today, here's who I'd personally bring:

Lewandowski (07) - Boos (06) - Maul (06)
Schwarz (06) - Seidl (06) - Pul (06)
Schäfer (07) - Penkin (09) - Kose (07)
Tabert (06) - Schneider (07) - Sager (06)
Willhöft (07), Zwickl (07)

Hense (06) - Händel (07)
Kaiser (06) - Bleicher (07)
Kose (07) - Merkl (06)
Kretzschmar (06) - Stadler (06)

Vieillard (06)
Neiße (06)
Stuhrmann (07)

Forwards:

I feel very confident in bringing Penkin. He's already better than most players on that roster. Boos, Maul, Schwarz, Seidl, Pul are all solid 06s, Sager will be there for a bottom-six role as a returnee. I like the addition of Tabert as a big bottom-six workhorse.

Lewandowski will be the best forward, Schäfer is a lock as a returnee, Kose is basically a returnee too. Schneider has to improve his skating but I still like him the most here because of his strong two-way game.

The 07s that didn't make my lineup will require some tough calls. As of today, I'm still not sold on Willhöft's ability to play at the next level. I don't really like Späth but as U18's current captain, I think he's got a shot for sure. The Grivas are what they are, I don't think they'll be able to be skill players at the world junior level and they aren't really bottom-six grinders either. So I wouldn't mind Zwickl with his speed and energy and Brandt with his size and two-way game. If I have to pick two today for my hypothetical U19 worlds, I'll go Willhöft and Zwickl. Willhöft because he's one of the most skilled guys on the team and Zwickl because he can play both a skill role and a grinder/energy role.

Defense:

This was tough because I truly don't like many of these players. Hense, Kaiser and Händel are locks as returnees. Händel will log close to 30 minutes per game, at least as long as the games are close. Bleicher will be there because of his OHL experience even though I'm not yet convinced he'll get to stay in Owen Sound another year. Kose will be instructed to play a physical role and keep it simple with the puck.

The rest was really difficult but also not really. Difficult because the four I included are somewhat close together but also not really because there aren't many players to choose from. I thought about bringing Smith or Warnecke but I'd rather have older players than those two as of today. So I decided Merkl makes the lineup because he can skate and has some physicality. The other two I feel somewhat indifferent about and thought about bringing Pape instead but I don't think he's developed too well and would rather bring Kretzschmar, whom I like, and a guy who's a regular in the DEL2 already.

Goalies:

Vieillard and Neiße are easy since they're returnees and clearly the best 06s. Stuhrmann is also easy because he's been playing a year up for years and has always been Germany's No. 1. He was also the best goalie at the U18s in Zuchwil and he plays for a good program in Germany.

Very interesting and I agree with a lot of it.

Obviously, we will never fully agree on Willhöft and the Grivas. I still think Willhöft is more skilled than Lewandowski. If it weren't for his lack of size, he would be an easy mid-round pick. But Lewandowski has way more upside and has the size that make him far more interesting for NHL teams. Still, at this tournament I have little doubt that Willhöft can handle the competition and be a solid contributor.
The Grivas are playing well this season and I have seen a lot of their games. The thing about them is that they need almost perfect chemistry with whoever is on their line. If you put just some random player next to them, you won't get much out of them, but when they click with their linemate like they did with Lewandowski a while ago, or like they are doing with Willhöft this season, they can be very good.
I was a bit down on Späth for a while, but lately I have liked him a lot more. It's a shame that injuries derailed his development quite a bit. With him I often wonder what could have been. Hopefully he will be free from injuries from now on and become a bit of a late bloomer.
Brandt was someone I also seriously considered, and thanks for bringing up Tabert. I keep mixing him up with Maximilian Tarta who is a 2005 born player. So, I thought Tabert was no longer eligible. He would also be in consideration for me, although I would probably end up not picking him. He would likely be my final cut.

I addressed some of my thought on the defense in my reply to @Jason80 , but adding to that, Kretzschmar would be strong candidate for me to take someone's spot. I like him, as well as his younger brother and sister.

With the goalies we agree pretty much. I would take a swing at Pfab, because I like his upside, despite his inconsistencies. But I'd be fine with Stuhrmann, too. I need to check back on Oswald, because I really liked him, but haven't watched him a lot lately. From past viewings he would be my next option.

Overall, I am pretty sure my guess/prediction will be way off anyway. I mean for this year I would have been completely off if I had made a prediction just a week before they announced the roster. Especially with Bicker out I would have expected at least one faster player on the roster to add a bit of speed. Someone like Niclas Focks for example. I know his season is not overly impressive, but I like his playstyle and like I said, the team could have used the speed.

I am looking forward to see how things will develop. It will be especially interesting to see where some of these guys end up playing next season.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Obviously, we will never fully agree on Willhöft and the Grivas. I still think Willhöft is more skilled than Lewandowski. If it weren't for his lack of size, he would be an easy mid-round pick. But Lewandowski has way more upside and has the size that make him far more interesting for NHL teams. Still, at this tournament I have little doubt that Willhöft can handle the competition and be a solid contributor.

I concur with just about everything pgfan66 wrote.

And even though he did mention seeing Willhöft as making the cut, I'm with you on this one. It should seem like a reach for most, but if he were half a head taller, I think his skill set would have us thinking "Stützle Part Deux".

A stretch, I know. But I do think his skills has him ahead of just about every U20 German player right now, although I haven't seen much of Penkin yet.

I am looking forward to see how things will develop. It will be especially interesting to see where some of these guys end up playing next season.

The interesting thing is that we all know someone in our presumed groups is going to disappoint while someone else is likely gonna come out of nowhere or be more of a candidate than expected.

 

[HockeyfanIN]

As always the teams annouce their invited players for deb teams before offical rooster announcement.

From Ingolstadt there a some players with their first call-up.
U19: Eden Hofverberg
U18: Andreas Grin, Florian Reinwald, Bartholomäus Oswald
U17: Mats Geppert, Liam Trew

 

[Maverick41]

The rosters for the upcoming tournaments have been released. I have added some of my thoughts about each roster.
I will, for the most part, not talk about the goalies, since I have seen too few of them and struggle with judging goalies even if I see them a lot.

U19:

Pos	Name
G	Erik Eder
G	Lukas Stuhrmann
G	Linus Vieillard
D	Lenny Elwing
D	Nick Mähler
D	Maximilian Merkl
D	Matthias Pape
D	Manuel Schams
D	Finn Serikow
D	Ben Stadler
F	Lenny Boos
F	Maximilian Brunner
F	Bence Farkas
F	Gustavs Griva
F	Dimitrij Haberling
F	Tim Hemr
F	Levi Holzhausen
F	Nick Maul
F	Elias Pul
F	Til Raab
F	Clemens Sager
F	Tobias Schwarz

Gotta say, I am not impressed with this group, but also wasn't expecting much. The roster is pretty close to what I expected. A couple of names that surprised me a bit are Tim Hemr and Levi Holzhausen. Not saying they shouldn't be there, but I just did not have them on my radar for this.
Another surprise in a different way is the inclusion of Gustavs Griva, particularly because they split up the twins with Rihards being part of the U18 roster. So far I always found they are much stronger together than apart.


U18:

G	Ole Blumenkamp
G	Bartholomäus Oswald
G	Kimi Saffran
D	Niclas Hempel
D	Fabio Kose
D	Felix Krüger
D	Gordejs Radionovs
D	Darian Rolsing
D	Philipp Stock
D	Gregor Stocker
D	Moritz Warnecke
F	Tobin Brandt
F	Andreas Grin
F	Rihards Griva
F	Timo Kose
F	Max Penkin
F	Florian Reinwald
F	Maxim Schäfer
F	Elias Schneider
F	Mateu Späth
F	Dustin Willhöft
F	Max Ziergiebel
F	Sebastian Zwickl

There are a few surprises here, because this seemed to be the team that was the most difficult to crack for guys who had not yet been nominated in the past. In goal Ole Blumenkamp was not somebody I had on my radar, but it's goalies so, this is not the first time I have been completely unaware of a potentially talented goalie. The surprise on defense is Radionovs, but that is because I did not think he was eligible to play for Germany.
And finally, I am slightly surprised that Florian Reinwald made the final roster. However, I have recently checked up on him, after he had been off my radar for a while and he has been looking pretty good. I still don't think he will make the cut when everybody is available, but he is right there as an option if there are any injuries.


U17:

Pos	Name
G	Vincent Pethke
G	Sascha Pitaev
G	Anton Röckl
D	Moussa Hackert
D	Daniel Kettler
D	Martin Mayer
D	Aurelius Pizka
D	Robert Riegel
D	Liam Trew
D	Karl Wolfsteiner
F	Toni Fürst
F	Mats Geppert
F	Luis Gerhofer
F	Lukas Greil
F	Johannes Haßmann
F	Tobias Krestan
F	Jakub Kottner
F	Andreas Kuhn
F	Erik Michel
F	Vyacheslav Permitin
F	Quirin Schlager
F	Daniils Sladkovs
F	Maximilian Strauß

I am not sure I trust this roster. There are not really any names that surprise me, but they list Trew and Wolfsteiner as defensemen, when I have only seen them as forwards, unless I am mixing them up with somebody.

U16:

Pos	Name
G	Bastian Bauer
G	Dave Dützka
G	Maximilian Leister
D	Finn Heß
D	Markus Hordt
D	Luca Kempf
D	Malcolm McCrae
D	Liron-Alec Pellizzari
D	Lennart Rekis
D	Jannes Schreiber
D	Philipp Steimer
F	Nikita Bloch
F	Leon Hamann
F	Nikolai Hartmann
F	Tim Hartmann
F	Daniel Hilbert
F	Leon Lamprecht
F	Paul Martinovic
F	Lennard Riedel
F	Daniel Schneider
F	Jonas Schwarz
F	Jaden Switzer
F	Lennox Ullmann

Only one surprise for me. Malcolm McCrae was definitely not on my radar. I knew he might be eligible, but I have never seen him play, not during his time in Switzerland and not now in Canada. I am looking forward to see him and the rest of this team which is looking pretty good even without Penkin, who is with the U18 team again.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The rosters for the upcoming tournaments have been released. I will add some of my thoughts about the rosters a bit later.

U19:

Pos	Name
G	Erik Eder
G	Lukas Stuhrmann
G	Linus Vieillard
D	Lenny Elwing
D	Nick Mähler
D	Maximilian Merkl
D	Matthias Pape
D	Manuel Schams
D	Finn Serikow
D	Ben Stadler
F	Lenny Boos
F	Maximilian Brunner
F	Bence Farkas
F	Gustavs Griva
F	Dimitrij Haberling
F	Tim Hemr
F	Levi Holzhausen
F	Nick Maul
F	Elias Pul
F	Til Raab
F	Clemens Sager
F	Tobias Schwarz

U18:

G	Ole Blumenkamp
G	Bartholomäus Oswald
G	Kimi Saffran
D	Niclas Hempel
D	Fabio Kose
D	Felix Krüger
D	Gordejs Radionovs
D	Darian Rolsing
D	Philipp Stock
D	Gregor Stocker
D	Moritz Warnecke
F	Tobin Brandt
F	Andreas Grin
F	Rihards Griva
F	Timo Kose
F	Max Penkin
F	Florian Reinwald
F	Maxim Schäfer
F	Elias Schneider
F	Mateu Späth
F	Dustin Willhöft
F	Max Ziergiebel
F	Sebastian Zwickl

U17:

Pos	Name
G	Vincent Pethke
G	Sascha Pitaev
G	Anton Röckl
D	Moussa Hackert
D	Daniel Kettler
D	Martin Mayer
D	Aurelius Pizka
D	Robert Riegel
D	Liam Trew
D	Karl Wolfsteiner
F	Toni Fürst
F	Mats Geppert
F	Luis Gerhofer
F	Lukas Greil
F	Johannes Haßmann
F	Tobias Krestan
F	Jakub Kottner
F	Andreas Kuhn
F	Erik Michel
F	Vyacheslav Permitin
F	Quirin Schlager
F	Daniils Sladkovs
F	Maximilian Strauß

U16:

Pos	Name
G	Bastian Bauer
G	Dave Dützka
G	Maximilian Leister
D	Finn Heß
D	Markus Hordt
D	Luca Kempf
D	Malcolm McCrae
D	Liron-Alec Pellizzari
D	Lennart Rekis
D	Jannes Schreiber
D	Philipp Steimer
F	Nikita Bloch
F	Leon Hamann
F	Nikolai Hartmann
F	Tim Hartmann
F	Daniel Hilbert
F	Leon Lamprecht
F	Paul Martinovic
F	Lennard Riedel
F	Daniel Schneider
F	Jonas Schwarz
F	Jaden Switzer
F	Lennox Ullmann

Initial reaction:
Love seeing Penkin with the U18 at this juncture.

 

[Maverick41]

Initial reaction:
Love seeing Penkin with the U18 at this juncture.

Just finished adding my thoughts about a few things that surprised me to my original post.

I think at this point Penkin will only get to play with the other 09s when it is their turn at the U18. He is a fixture on the current U18 and may even play with the U20 as soon as next season.

 

[HockeyfanIN]

I‘m suprised, that Eden Hofverberg isn‘t in the line-up. Ingolstadt announced him as part of the U19 roster. Maybe he‘s injured or ill.

@Maverick41 Trew is stronger as a D than as a forward in my opinion. I like the fact that he keeps it simple. Good Hockey sense. He had to play Center at U17 level, because the Team is missing forwards. At U20 level he plays D on regular basis and is doing a good job. Looking forward to see him on international level.
Reinwald got a good chemistry with Grin, i assume they will play in one line. But as you said, at the moment i don’t see any chance for him to make the roster in april when everyone is available.

 

[Maverick41]

I‘m suprised, that Eden Hofverberg isn‘t in the line-up. Ingolstadt announced him as part of the U19 roster. Maybe he‘s injured or ill.

@Maverick41 Trew is stronger as a D than as a forward in my opinion. I like the fact that he keeps it simple. Good Hockey sense. He had to play Center at U17 level, because the Team is missing forwards. At U20 level he plays D on regular basis and is doing a good job. Looking forward to see him on international level.
Reinwald got a good chemistry with Grin, i assume they will play in one line. But as you said, at the moment i don’t see any chance for him to make the roster in april when everyone is available.

Thanks for the input, about Trew especially. I had only seen him in two or three games for the U17 team, where he was listed and played as forward.

As far as Hofverberg is concerned I see three possibilities.
1) As you said he could be injured, ill or otherwise not able to participate.
2) The roster I found on the DEB website is incorrect or incomplete (wouldn't be the first time)
3) He was part of an extended roster and was cut from it. Sometimes they invite more players than they can bring to a tournament, especially if someone who would be a lock to be on the team might be qustionable due to illness or injury.
But in those cases the teams mention this in their announcement most of the time. Of the top of my head I saw this from Kaufbeuren in the past when they mentioned that a couple of their players were invited but only on call (auf Abruf).

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

As far as Hofverberg is concerned I see three possibilities.
1) As you said he could be injured, ill or otherwise not able to participate.
2) The roster I found on the DEB website is incorrect or incomplete (wouldn't be the first time)
3) He was part of an extended roster and was cut from it. Sometimes they invite more players than they can bring to a tournament, especially if someone who would be a lock to be on the team might be qustionable due to illness or injury.
But in those cases the teams mention this in their announcement most of the time. Of the top of my head I saw this from Kaufbeuren in the past when they mentioned that a couple of their players were invited but only on call (auf Abruf).

And

I‘m suprised, that Eden Hofverberg isn‘t in the line-up. Ingolstadt announced him as part of the U19 roster. Maybe he‘s injured or ill.

@Maverick41 Trew is stronger as a D than as a forward in my opinion. I like the fact that he keeps it simple. Good Hockey sense. He had to play Center at U17 level, because the Team is missing forwards. At U20 level he plays D on regular basis and is doing a good job. Looking forward to see him on international level.
Reinwald got a good chemistry with Grin, i assume they will play in one line. But as you said, at the moment i don’t see any chance for him to make the roster in april when everyone is available.

The press mail that was sent out by the DEB includes Hofverberg.

 

[Maverick41]

The press mail that was sent out by the DEB includes Hofverberg.

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Instead here Nick Mähler is missing on defense. Which is a shame, I have come to like his play this season.