Proposal: Georgiev to anyone for a 7th

[TGWL]

Is Hartford still shutdown, or is that over? Not sure how that would work out if they still are.

Dec 8th is their next scheduled game after have a few postponed, but it could change. We called up Huska for now since Kinkaid is on covid protocol.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

this thread did not age well. Trade value back up to 2nd rounder

 

[Stewie Griffin]

this thread did not age well. Trade value back up to 2nd rounder

It's been 3 days and he beat the blackhawks, he might've not even played had Shesterkin been healthy.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

It's been 3 days and he beat the blackhawks, he might've not even played had Shesterkin been healthy.

he is now 4-1-1 so original post is no longer valid. Also it is not that easy to beat same team back to back.

 

[Zach716]

Bluest of blue chips.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Other than this video, there’s no indication of his conflict with other players so it’s mostly fan made up

Not exactly true. He got into a fight with DeAngelo last season, and there were rumors at the time that he didn’t get along with DeAngelo.

Georgiyev is seemingly the only Russian player we’ve had in recent seasons that wasn’t close with the other Russians. Even Kravtsov was.

The players converse on social media often, which can give an idea of which players are close, and Georgiyev doesn’t take much part. I don’t think his teammates are going to publicly suggest he’s not liked, but following a team you get a sense of the cliques that form within a team, and I think most are suspecting that he’s not a particularly well liked player in the room.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

DeAngelo had one contract offer. One NHL team that was even willing to sign him. Buchnevich went for a 2nd round pick. I like the player, but plenty of Jets and Sabres are substantially more valuable. I'm not a Jets or Sabres fan anyway.

Where’s your source that DeAngelo only had one contract offer?

I’d like to know this list of Sabres and Jets with substantially more value than a 26 year old PPG winger that drives play and is good defensively.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I find the ADA fandom weird. You really think management just doesn’t care about hockey and gave in to “politics”? You think Kreider punched him for no reason, that players didn’t speak up.. just because? Georgiev’s body language there is bad, it’s possible they’re both assholes, but what a bizarre take. Sure, NYR management has no clue and zero players supported him because.. reasons. Deep state or some shit.

Anyways, Sabres need a goalie but this dude ain’t it based on current play. Hopefully UPL or another prospect works out, maybe Subban isn’t shit- still should be better than Dell- weird how quickly the dude has fallen though. Will be interesting to see if he regains form with Igor out.

You should work on getting your facts straight. Kreider didn’t punch DeAngelo.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

You should work on getting your facts straight. Kreider didn’t punch DeAngelo.

You always say this, but never provide sources or evidence. The rumor is that’s what occurred, there’s solid evidence towards it. If you have any actual backing to your denial I’d love to see it, but until you provide something you’re just making up your own narrative.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I don’t think that Georgie is a bad goalie. But he is an awful backup.

 

[nihlify]

What am in looking for here? I'm missing it.

Apparently not smiling means you have beef with someone else.

 

[nihlify]

A legit journo (Seravalli?) tweeted some time back "he might not be universally liked by the teammates" or something similar.
Which doesn't deny the fact that ppl are overreacting at this point.

Universally liked players are probably rare either way. Most just do they job knowing it's about team work where you don't have to get along with everyone to do your job.

 

[Habs Halifax]

this thread did not age well. Trade value back up to 2nd rounder

It's like trying to sell a house in a hot market. Set the price low and then watch the offers come in. Low prices with high supply/demand gets the traffic flow going and people get emotionally attached to the idea of having that house (player).

 

[eco's bones]

Not exactly true. He got into a fight with DeAngelo last season, and there were rumors at the time that he didn’t get along with DeAngelo.

Georgiyev is seemingly the only Russian player we’ve had in recent seasons that wasn’t close with the other Russians. Even Kravtsov was.

The players converse on social media often, which can give an idea of which players are close, and Georgiyev doesn’t take much part. I don’t think his teammates are going to publicly suggest he’s not liked, but following a team you get a sense of the cliques that form within a team, and I think most are suspecting that he’s not a particularly well liked player in the room.

Alex was signed from the TPS Turku team where he’d been playing for a couple years anyway. In off seasons he trains in Finland with other Rangers linked to TPS like Kaapo Kakko, Tarmo Reunanen and Lauri Pajuniemi as well as NHL’ers like Mikko Rantanen. I think your Russia argument per the Rangers locker room is a bit overblown. It’s questionable as well how
Panarin is seen around the league by other Russian players particularly after last year’s issue. With the Olympics probably blowing up we probably won’t know now if he’d even be named to the Russian team.

 

[bernmeister]

I don’t think that Georgie is a bad goalie. But he is an awful backup.

It is clear he will always run hot and cold.
Consistently inconsistent.
Howev,

he plays better with regular, steady, starter work and less looking over the shoulder.
He's human!!!

some can be cold as ice
completely able to block such facts out
others, it gets to them, on and off

 

[nrf83]

Georgiyev is seemingly the only Russian player we’ve had in recent seasons that wasn’t close with the other Russians. Even Kravtsov was.

 

[nrf83]

perhaps that he is Bulgarian and not Russian

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You always say this, but never provide sources or evidence. The rumor is that’s what occurred, there’s solid evidence towards it. If you have any actual backing to your denial I’d love to see it, but until you provide something you’re just making up your own narrative.

That’s not how burden of proof works in any non-third world society. If you make outlandish claims, it’s on you to back it up.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Alex was signed from the TPS Turku team where he’d been playing for a couple years anyway. In off seasons he trains in Finland with other Rangers linked to TPS like Kaapo Kakko, Tarmo Reunanen and Lauri Pajuniemi as well as NHL’ers like Mikko Rantanen. I think your Russia argument per the Rangers locker room is a bit overblown. It’s questionable as well how
Panarin is seen around the league by other Russian players particularly after last year’s issue. With the Olympics probably blowing up we probably won’t know now if he’d even be named to the Russian team.

Do we know if he's he's close with the TPS guys? There's a difference between knowing them, and being friends with them.

perhaps that he is Bulgarian and not Russian

He's both. He's a Bulgarian-Russian. I think all those other guys are ethnic Russians, so Georgiyev being an immigrant could impact how he gets along with some of the ethnic Russians.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Apparently not smiling means you have beef with someone else.

You think that because you don't follow the team. It's way beyond that. He does that type of stuff every game. It looked worse this game than most, but it's usually pretty clear. Those handshake lines are always a festive atmosphere, except for Georgiyev. He also has almost no interaction with Shestyorkin. Very weird, considering they are a month or two apart in age and from the same country.

Before Shestyorkin was established, Georgiyev would always have a very smug attitude to the press in his answers to questions about Shestyorkin. Thats the attitude that an athlete should have about a competitor, but you show respect to your teammates and competitors in the press. For a player that says the right things in the media, this is one area he never would say the right thing.

Georgiyev also requested a trade because he wanted to play more. Clearly he's upset that he was beat out for a spot. It's quite obvious he's taken that frustration out on his teammate that's better than him, and why he plays the amount he does.

 

[Double Dion]

Where’s your source that DeAngelo only had one contract offer?

I’d like to know this list of Sabres and Jets with substantially more value than a 26 year old PPG winger that drives play and is good defensively.

Friedman said DeAngelo only had one offer for the one-way deal.

Buchnevich is not a PPG winger. He's a.65 PPG winger. He is good defensively. Hard to say if he drives play or not. Kreider is a pretty good play driver. You haven't seen any drop off with possession stats on that line with a borderline replacement level player replacing Buchnevich.

Ehlers, Wheeler, Connor ect. are all more valuable than Buchnevich. That said, I do like Buchnevich. He's just not a powerforward and worth more than a top 10 pick like Rags fans suggested at the time.

 

[GAGLine]

Buchnevich is not a PPG winger. He's a.65 PPG winger. He is good defensively. Hard to say if he drives play or not. Kreider is a pretty good play driver. You haven't seen any drop off with possession stats on that line with a borderline replacement level player replacing Buchnevich.

It's disingenuous to look at his career PPG. He's obviously a better and more productive player now than he was when he broke into the league. Last year he had 48 points in 54 games (.89 ppg). This year he has 29 points in 29 games. He has been trending upward every season.

Possession stats don't tell the whole story. That line isn't as good 5 on 5 this year as they were last year.

 

[TGWL]

You think that because you don't follow the team. It's way beyond that. He does that type of stuff every game. It looked worse this game than most, but it's usually pretty clear. Those handshake lines are always a festive atmosphere, except for Georgiyev. He also has almost no interaction with Shestyorkin. Very weird, considering they are a month or two apart in age and from the same country.

Before Shestyorkin was established, Georgiyev would always have a very smug attitude to the press in his answers to questions about Shestyorkin. Thats the attitude that an athlete should have about a competitor, but you show respect to your teammates and competitors in the press. For a player that says the right things in the media, this is one area he never would say the right thing.

Georgiyev also requested a trade because he wanted to play more. Clearly he's upset that he was beat out for a spot. It's quite obvious he's taken that frustration out on his teammate that's better than him, and why he plays the amount he does.

I'm just curious why somebody else has to back up claims while you go around talking about body language being obvious proof. Also - didn't Brooks come out and say Georgiev stated "that he never actually requested a trade from the team."

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Friedman said DeAngelo only had one offer for the one-way deal.

Buchnevich is not a PPG winger. He's a.65 PPG winger. He is good defensively. Hard to say if he drives play or not. Kreider is a pretty good play driver. You haven't seen any drop off with possession stats on that line with a borderline replacement level player replacing Buchnevich.

Ehlers, Wheeler, Connor ect. are all more valuable than Buchnevich. That said, I do like Buchnevich. He's just not a powerforward and worth more than a top 10 pick like Rags fans suggested at the time.

You have so much contempt for the Rangers that you are now being disingenuous about former Rangers. Buchnevich is a PPG player this year. Last year he was close to PPG, as well, without PP1 time. Trying to combine his full career stats, as if there's much relevancy about his current ability to stats from his rookie year playing 13 minutes a game is ridiculous. And you should know his ability pretty well, seeing as how he destroyed your defense a few nights ago.

And you are completely wrong about the Rangers top line not having a drop-off. It's almost as if you don't know the team well, and just look at box scores. Most of Kreider's offense has come on the PP. I'm sure you can probably find that in a box-score. He's one of the top net front guys in the league. Zibanejad is also notably a better PP guy than ES guy, and he's struggled at every strength this season. As Rangers fans have said many times, Buchnevich drove that line, and now they are worse because their line driver at ES is playing for another team. I don't have access to those fancy charts, but I suspect Buchnevich's chart this season looks a lot better than Kreider or Zibanejad.

You didn't explain who these multiple Sabres that are more valuable are. The Jets, I agree that they might have 2-3 more valuable players. Wheeler, no chance. End of his career and been slumping for a few years. Scheifele, sure. Ehlers and Connor is debatable, but I wouldn't argue too much about. However, the point remains that you have contempt for the Rangers, so much so that you denigrate their former players.

 

[Double Dion]

You have so much contempt for the Rangers that you are now being disingenuous about former Rangers. Buchnevich is a PPG player this year. Last year he was close to PPG, as well, without PP1 time. Trying to combine his full career stats, as if there's much relevancy about his current ability to stats from his rookie year playing 13 minutes a game is ridiculous. And you should know his ability pretty well, seeing as how he destroyed your defense a few nights ago.

And you are completely wrong about the Rangers top line not having a drop-off. It's almost as if you don't know the team well, and just look at box scores. Most of Kreider's offense has come on the PP. I'm sure you can probably find that in a box-score. He's one of the top net front guys in the league. Zibanejad is also notably a better PP guy than ES guy, and he's struggled at every strength this season. As Rangers fans have said many times, Buchnevich drove that line, and now they are worse because their line driver at ES is playing for another team. I don't have access to those fancy charts, but I suspect Buchnevich's chart this season looks a lot better than Kreider or Zibanejad.

You didn't explain who these multiple Sabres that are more valuable are. The Jets, I agree that they might have 2-3 more valuable players. Wheeler, no chance. End of his career and been slumping for a few years. Scheifele, sure. Ehlers and Connor is debatable, but I wouldn't argue too much about. However, the point remains that you have contempt for the Rangers, so much so that you denigrate their former players.

The corsi of the "top" line is actually 1% higher than last season with Buchnevich. Who exactly is disingenuous? You're factually incorrect. The zone starts this year are actually 1% more skewed to defensive zone as well. Mika Zibanejad Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Buchnevich was actually a 47.8% possession player last season with the Rags. Both his linemates were higher without him. My guess is because they were playing mostly with Panarin when he wasn't out there.

It's amazing to me that you follow the team and are wrong so often.

Also, I have no contempt for the Rags.