Value of: Georgiev has to be gone: Predict what happens

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I was told by Avs fans that goalies were just products of the team?

I mean, there's overwhelming evidence that in the vast majority of cases this is true. But as with anything, outliers exist.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Just bring in Tony DeAngelo make him waive his contract

 

[HuGort]

He led the league in wins last season while leading the league in goals against. He has been fortunate to have a team with insane firepower in front of him getting him wins, but he has proven to not be an NHL starter. He'd be a fine backup somewhere, but someone tell me what is going to happen here and offer us your good goalie and the Avs send you Georgiev +.

3.54 GAA
.867 SV%
$3.4M then UFA after this season

10.9 VGK 5 goals on 16 shots yanked after 2 periods
10.12 CBJ 3 goals on 9 shots yanked after 21 minutes
11.25 TBL 3 goals on 17 shots yanked after 30 minutes
12.3 BUF 4 goals on 8 shots yanked after 12 minutes
6 other games pulled for an empty net to ultimately lose
11 games sub .900
5 games over .900

The Avalanche have too good of a team to waste a season on bad goaltending. What do they do? Who do they pay to take him?

He has career 905%. Should be good goalie

 

[EdAVSfan]

To Anaheim for Gibson makes the absolute most sense for the Avs. Not necessarily ideal for Anaheim. Gibson makes sense for multiple reasons. He’s a veteran guy who’s unlikely to falter due to pressure. He’s got 2 years remaining which sets an ideal timeline for the AVS to ease Nabokov in over the next 2 years.
Obviously, the return Anaheim wants and the retention the Avs would need from Anaheim and potentially an additional team are the hurdles. Not to mention that Anaheim may not have any interest whatsoever in moving him and would prefer to keep a vet like him to support Dostal.

Like I said, ideal for the AVS, not necessarily good for anyone else. Remains to be seen.

Gibson may not even be good enough. But the reality is, no matter who the Avs target, whether it’s a trade now, or a UFA in the summer, none of the available guys are bonafide solutions. They all have their warts, all have some issues. There’s no risk-free solution available.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Because they are still trying to actively be bad.

I just need to say that only fanboi’s believe any management team would go into a season with an active plan “to be bad”.

They would be fired the moment they even mentioned it to the owner never mind losing the respect & support of all the people they lead.

teams understand they go through development cycles but it’s never framed nor executed as “actively trying to be bad”.

Believe me every single management team has the plan to make the playoffs, every season, every time.

Let’s all agree to stop using this terminology.

 

[Linds]

To Anaheim for Gibson makes the absolute most sense for the Avs. Not necessarily ideal for Anaheim. Gibson makes sense for multiple reasons. He’s a veteran guy who’s unlikely to falter due to pressure. He’s got 2 years remaining which sets an ideal timeline for the AVS to ease Nabokov in over the next 2 years.
Obviously, the return Anaheim wants and the retention the Avs would need from Anaheim and potentially an additional team are the hurdles. Not to mention that Anaheim may not have any interest whatsoever in moving him and would prefer to keep a vet like him to support Dostal.

Like I said, ideal for the AVS, not necessarily good for anyone else. Remains to be seen.

Gibson may not even be good enough. But the reality is, no matter who the Avs target, whether it’s a trade now, or a UFA in the summer, none of the available guys are bonafide solutions. They all have their warts, all have some issues. There’s no risk-free solution available.

Didn't Gibson request a trade from the Ducks before? If so, that might help the Ducks management to move on instead of keeping him.

 

[Ciao]

Because they are still trying to actively be bad. Georgiev would be extremely helpful in reaching that goal, Blackwood is not. I agree that it would be stupid for them not to try to get something like a 2nd in that swap, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they got less than you'd think

Wow.

That's a very hot take.

Don't burn yourself, there.

 

[Slats432]

I would think that a deadline deal with sweetener going the other way to make it work. Since he is UFA after this year, not totally difficult to move off of.

Blackwood for Georgiev plus sweetener (2nd 2025 or possibly 1st 2026)?

Vladar?

I would say Gibson but I don't see Anaheim retaining multiple years on him. Avs would have to send Georgiev back, so not impossible.

 

[Murzu]

I would think that a deadline deal with sweetener going the other way to make it work. Since he is UFA after this year, not totally difficult to move off of.

Blackwood for Georgiev plus sweetener (2nd 2025 or possibly 1st 2026)?

Sure. Just do it now and let Blackwood adjust.

 

[Slats432]

Sure. Just do it now and let Blackwood adjust.

I would hate to see it as an Oilers fan, but I see it as a definite way out for SJ. The big issue is that he and the Sharks have started well. There really isn't a big enough win for the Sharks.

 

[Mattb124]

I would hate to see it as an Oilers fan, but I see it as a definite way out for SJ. The big issue is that he and the Sharks have started well. There really isn't a big enough win for the Sharks.

Not to mention I doubt Grier would want a malcontent near his young roster players.

 

[Murzu]

Not to mention I doubt Grier would want a malcontent near his young roster players.

Shoot Georgiev to the moon and you're fine.

 

[Breakers]

“”They went ahead with (Shesterkin) pretty much from the start and that was really frustrating. I want to play a lot,” he said. “Last couple seasons, I really didn’t get too many of those opportunities to get going. I definitely feel more in the flow when I get to play games without too many breaks.””
- Georgiev

So he hates being a backup
But is a walking trash can in the starting role

Hmmmmmm

 

[A1LeafNation]

The only bottom feeder goalie who doesn't take up too much cap and not on a long term deal....Vejmelka

To Utah: Georgiev + 1st + 2nd (taking Georgiev)

To Colorado: Vejmelka

That's the only deal that makes sense from an Avs lens.

 

[Dr Amazing]

The only bottom feeder goalie who doesn't take up too much cap and not on a long term deal....Vejmelka

To Utah: Georgiev + 1st + 2nd (taking Georgiev)

To Colorado: Vejmelka

That's the only deal that makes sense from an Avs lens.

No that is not the only option for the Avs makes sense to you because your a leafs fan.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The only bottom feeder goalie who doesn't take up too much cap and not on a long term deal....Vejmelka

To Utah: Georgiev + 1st + 2nd (taking Georgiev)

To Colorado: Vejmelka

That's the only deal that makes sense from an Avs lens.

That’s quite ridiculous IMO.

What values are you assigning here?

What would Vejmelka cost alone? What cost are you associating to offload Georgiev?

 

[DesertPenguin]

Jarry straight up

 

[Lunatik]

He goes the other way in a potential trade deadline goalie swap

I feel like the Flames may be a good candidate for this at the deadline if Vladar keeps playing well. I could see Vladar for Georgiev and a pick coming to fruition.

 

[Thechozen1]

They should re-sign him just for entertainment value.

 

[Leafshater67]

Georgiev and a 2nd for Vladar?

 

[Murzu]

Dumping Georgiev won't cost much at all.

Dumping 6M in salary has traditionally costed (lateish) 1st round pick.

3M would be half of that (Georgiev's salary for this season is 2,9M)

Closer to deadline most of it is already payed - season will be 3/4 done. His new team would pay him 1/4 x 2,9M dollars (= ~725k) during the rest of the year. Value equal to 1/8 of (lateish) 1st round pick. We're talking something like ~4th round pick here I assume.

 

[Jixer19]

As others have said, most of his salary (which is lower than his cap hit and that is what matters) will have been paid by the TDL. Seems like there is goalies to be targeted that would be an upgrade, so if CMac doesn't upgrade the goaltending position before the TDL comes and goes, he failed as a GM of a "contending" team

 

[EdAVSfan]

Dumping Georgiev won't cost much at all.

Dumping 6M in salary has traditionally costed (lateish) 1st round pick.

3M would be half of that (Georgiev's salary for this season is 2,9M)

Closer to deadline most of it is already payed - season will be 3/4 done. His new team would pay him 1/4 x 2,9M dollars (= ~725k) during the rest of the year. Value equal to 1/8 of (lateish) 1st round pick. We're talking something like ~4th round pick here I assume.

That and if youre offloading him to a team where there’s a goalie swap, that goalie has a salary that’s being released as well.

 

[FiveTacos]

The Sharks aren't trying to actively be bad.

Even if they were, why would anyone trade an asset for a bad goalie to do it? You can sign any random crappy goalie off the street for league minimum if that's what you're trying to do and accomplish the exact same thing.

Didn't Gibson request a trade from the Ducks before? If so, that might help the Ducks management to move on instead of keeping him.

Not exactly. Seravalli reported that Gibson requested a trade and said he would never play for them again. His agent denied the report, saying no such demands had been made. And given that Gibson still plays for the Ducks a year and a half later ... well draw your own conclusions.

 

[Linds]

Even if they were, why would anyone trade an asset for a bad goalie to do it? You can sign any random crappy goalie off the street for league minimum if that's what you're trying to do and accomplish the exact same thing.



Not exactly. Seravalli reported that Gibson requested a trade and said he would never play for them again. His agent denied the report, saying no such demands had been made. And given that Gibson still plays for the Ducks a year and a half later ... well draw your own conclusions.

Or is there a slight chance that his contract in the past 2.5 years was very difficult to trade