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If you believe Perron really deserves to be replaced, do you trust the NHL - the ones that hired him & kept him on this long - to find an improvement? I'm not saying he should stay, I'm just not optimistic that the next guy will be any better.
 
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kevsh said:
If you believe Perron really deserves to be replaced, do you trust the NHL - the ones that hired him & kept him on this long - to find an improvement? I'm not saying he should stay, I'm just not optimistic that the next guy will be any better.
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I really don't understand how the owners aren't all speaking up when they do their big meetings on how inconsistent DOPS has been during Parros' tenure. Even officiating but I understand that not every play can be called the same because of the speed in which things happen or obstructed vision.

On the discipline front, there is almost 0 consistency. The same play can get different result on almost a daily basis. You'd have to think that all the GMs and owners around the league have to be thinking the same thing. Look no further than Nick Cousins. That guy is becoming the new Matt Cooke and has gotten away with a bunch of dirty crap this year including the play he made when Zucker then retaliated with another dirty play. Zucker ends up being the one suspended while Cousins got nothing.
 
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Buddy of mine has delivered uber eats to Parros at home before... He posted the guys home address online...People need to relax lol
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
I really don't understand how the owners aren't all speaking up when they do their big meetings on how inconsistent DOPS has been during Parros' tenure. Even officiating but I understand that not every play can be called the same because of the speed in which things happen or obstructed vision.

On the discipline front, there is almost 0 consistency. The same play can get different result on almost a daily basis. You'd have to think that all the GMs and owners around the league have to be thinking the same thing. Look no further than Nick Cousins. That guy is becoming the new Matt Cooke and has gotten away with a bunch of dirty scrap this year including the play he made when Zucker then retaliated with another dirty play. Zuckerberg ends up being the one suspended while Cousins got nothing.
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Well said and really sad tbh.
 
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kevsh said:
If you believe Perron really deserves to be replaced, do you trust the NHL - the ones that hired him & kept him on this long - to find an improvement? I'm not saying he should stay, I'm just not optimistic that the next guy will be any better.
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It does not matter who fills da role .. what matters is da negotiation between Bettman and whoever in da role .. of course after discussions with Jacobs take place in parameters are set .. da rest of explanation is window dressing from 5-6 people in his department
 
kevsh said:
If you believe Perron really deserves to be replaced, do you trust the NHL - the ones that hired him & kept him on this long - to find an improvement? I'm not saying he should stay, I'm just not optimistic that the next guy will be any better.
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Knowing Bettman, he'll instill another broken down goon in his place. Things won't change.
 
Someone my friend knows thought he saw a big guy with a moustache spiking Leafs' drinks with viruses at a local restaurant while they were occupied signing autographs during the All-Star festivities! Could this be true? After that he saw him walk back to his own table muttering "F and Or" the whole time and sat down with an old short rat-faced guy in a fancy suit who handed him a briefcase full of money! Could this also be true?
 
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George Parros' Top 10 Biggest Suspensions!

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[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Date[/TD]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]Offense[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]Notes[/TD]
[TD]Player Reputation[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]September 30, 2018[/TD]
[TD]Tom Wilson[/TD]
[TD]Washington Capitals[/TD]
[TD]Illegal check to the head of Oskar Sundqvist.[/TD]
[TD]20 games[/TD]
[TD]Suspension later reduced to 14 games.[/TD]
[TD]Wilson had previously been suspended 3 times, totalling 9 games, and was considered a Repeat Offender. Wilson was second in PIM on the season.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]November 16, 2017[/TD]
[TD]Radko Gudas[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia Flyers[/TD]
[TD]Slashing Mathieu Perreault.[/TD]
[TD]10 games[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Gudas had previously been suspended 2 times, totalling 9 games, and was considered a Repeat Offender.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]February 6, 2018[/TD]
[TD]Alex Burrows[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa Senators[/TD]
[TD]Serving as the aggressor in an altercation & kneeing Taylor Hall.[/TD]
[TD]10 games[/TD]
[TD]Suspension covered two incidents in the same game.[/TD]
[TD]Burrows had previously been suspended 1 time, totalling 3 games, and fined twice.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]May 19, 2021[/TD]
[TD]Nazem Kadri[/TD]
[TD]Colorado Avalanche[/TD]
[TD]Illegal check to the head of Justin Faulk.[/TD]
[TD]8 games[/TD]
[TD]8 post-season games.[/TD]
[TD]Kadri had previously been suspended 5 times, totalling 19 games, and fined once.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]March 5, 2021[/TD]
[TD]Tom Wilson[/TD]
[TD]Washington Capitals[/TD]
[TD]Boarding Brandon Carlo.[/TD]
[TD]7 games[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Wilson had previously been suspended 4 times, totalling 23 games. Wilson was first in PIM on the season.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]February 13, 2020[/TD]
[TD]Zack Kassian[/TD]
[TD]Edmonton Oilers[/TD]
[TD]Kicking Erik Cernak.[/TD]
[TD]7 games[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Kassian had previously been suspended 3 times, totalling 10 games, and was considered a Repeat Offender.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]December 9, 2023[/TD]
[TD]David Perron[/TD]
[TD]Detroit Red Wings[/TD]
[TD]Cross-checking Artem Zub.[/TD]
[TD]6 games[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Perron had previously been fined once.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]December 23, 2017[/TD]
[TD]Zac Rinaldo[/TD]
[TD]Arizona Coyotes[/TD]
[TD]Punching an unsuspecting Samuel Girard.[/TD]
[TD]6 games[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Rinaldo had previously been suspended 4 times, totalling 19 games, and fined twice.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]February 8, 2022[/TD]
[TD]Brad Marchand[/TD]
[TD]Boston Bruins[/TD]
[TD]Roughing & high-sticking Tristan Jarry.[/TD]
[TD]6 games[/TD]
[TD]Suspension covered two incidents in the same game.[/TD]
[TD]Marchand had previously been suspended 7 times, totalling 22 games, and fined five times, and was considered a Repeat Offender.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]December 5, 2021[/TD]
[TD]Jason Spezza[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Kneeing Neal Pionk.[/TD]
[TD]6 games[/TD]
[TD]Suspension later reduced to 4 games.[/TD]
[TD]Spezza had no prior record of supplemental discipline. Spezza was a six time nominee for the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD]February 10, 2024[/TD]
[TD]Morgan Rielly[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]Cross-checking Ridly Greig.[/TD]
[TD]???[/TD]
[TD]Offered in-person hearing (6 or more games possible).[/TD]
[TD]Rielly has no prior record of supplemental discipline. Rielly is a two time nominee for the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Off-ice and automatic suspensions were not included in the list.
Post-season games are typically considered worth more than a regular season game.
A Repeat Offender is defined as having been suspended within the 18 months prior.
While PIM and Lady Byng nominations have no effect in supplemental discipline, it paints a slight picture of the reputation of the player at the time of the incident.



Two of these names stick out like sore thumbs, imo.

The next biggest suspension that matches Rielly's reputation (or Spezza's) would be Mark Schiefele, who would rank 17th on the list (not counting Rielly) for a 4 game suspension (3 post-season games) with no prior record of supplemental discipline and three "gentlemanly" nominations.



While an in-person hearing means Rielly can be suspended 6 or more games, it does not mean he has to be. It could still be 4 or 5, or technically, even with an in-person hearing they could slap him with just a fine, or give him no(!) discipline; the in-person hearing just gives them more options. That said, following Perron's similar suspension this season (retaliatory cross-check to the head, while sitting on a fairly clean record), my prediction is 6 games for Rielly, tying him for 7th in Parros' biggest suspensions.
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A couple of interesting points in there.

If post-season games are considered 'more' then how do you look at Schiefele? Is post-season worth 2? 1.5? At 2 times, that makes it equivalent to a 7-game for a similar type player. Even at 1.5 times, that's 5.5 games.

Perron's was similar (don't remember if it was during play or not) for a similarly 'clean' record.

Using just those two for perspective, Rielly's 5 doesn't look out of place.

If the suspensions to Perron and and Rielly are indicative of a serious attempt to clean up 'head shots' then I'm OK with it.
 
Jamason said:
A couple of interesting points in there.

If post-season games are considered 'more' then how do you look at Schiefele? Is post-season worth 2? 1.5? At 2 times, that makes it equivalent to a 7-game for a similar type player. Even at 1.5 times, that's 5.5 games.

Perron's was similar (don't remember if it was during play or not) for a similarly 'clean' record.

Using just those two for perspective, Rielly's 5 doesn't look out of place.

If the suspensions to Perron and and Rielly are indicative of a serious attempt to clean up 'head shots' then I'm OK with it.
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I often see post-season games are worth 2 regular season, and pre-season are worth 0.5, but it's a pretty subjective call, so I just ranked post-season games as a bigger suspension, but still within it's set number of games. Ie. 5 playoff games would rank higher than 5 regular season, but still lower than 6 regular season. Just for the sake of ease, really.

Perron had a pretty clean record, but his was more egregious than Rielly's imo. Both retaliatory and after the play, but Perron's had much more intent in follow through with the contact - again, just in my opinion. Rielly at least lead with his gloved hand, made contact with the shoulder first, and release the stick. Perron made very purposeful, direct contact with the stick to the head and followed through, and then jumped on the player after.

Rielly's at 5, in comparison, seems right, but it also seems very inconsistent with the DoPS in general.
Just this week Ullmark purposefully swung his stick at a player's head and made contact and he got a (non-maximum) fine.
So I'm not really sure where DoPS' attempt at cleaning up head shots begins and ends, tbh
 
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Reading through threads like this, I can only shake my head at the large number of people - I assume almost all of voting age - who don't believe
- biases exist
- politically based (unfair) decisions exist
- people at the top of the pyramid of all corporate structures can make mistakes / do their job poorly
- corporate ladder types DO sometimes conspire with others
- it's beyond our ken to dare question authorities or want to make improvements / want replacements / want a better management structure

Just look at the facts of what the general stats are for good teams in terms of penalty comparison vs opponents, and look at the most penalised teams vs least, year over year, and compare their records, and take into context how "heavy" a hitting/physical team they are

You will find that, the Leafs are
- a soft checking team
- averga ephysiclity
- good winning team
- most penalised

And this is year over year, since we did have an actual tough/physical team in the 2000s.
 
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kevsh said:
If you believe Perron really deserves to be replaced, do you trust the NHL - the ones that hired him & kept him on this long - to find an improvement? I'm not saying he should stay, I'm just not optimistic that the next guy will be any better.
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Let's get someone who gets it on merit
 
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I bet Knies gets an in person hearing for cross checking Marchand’s neck 🤡

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if McCabe gets any games off then Parros is a clown
 
HamiltonNHL said:
I bet Knies gets an in person hearing for cross checking Marchand’s neck 🤡

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if McCabe gets any games off then Parros is a clown
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I don't think the McCabe cross checks will be reviewed. If so, Coyle (I think) did the exact same thing to Bertuzzi in the 2nd period.

Amazingly enough, a "high stick" that drew blood was only worth a 2 minute penalty though. So odd that these type of things seem to happen when playing the Boston Bruins or Montreal Canadians.
 
Matchand should be 5 games if Knies misses one game.

Head hunting on purpose
 
Some of you guys make me LOL .. you seem to think Perros has some control .. some even think Bettman has control .. LOL .. da league is run by Jacobs and his gang of 10 hoods who hired Bettman and give him instructions on da daily
 
Looks like McCabe got fined $5,000

League is a joke, didn't someone only get fined $2,500 recently for a dangerous play
 
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