News Article: Geoff Molson re-affirms confidence in Marc Bergevin, will not hire a president of hockey operations

[The Great Weal]

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Molson is the one refusing to commit to a direction. That being said, Bergevin still deserves to get fired for the drafting/developing.

 

[Runner77]

Even a local boy couldn't do it, with this clown show Mol$on and MB are running.
We are doomed, until Mol$on grows a set, of sells the team. Doomed...

Geoff is who he is -- he wants his fortune to allow him to fill a hockey role he would never be able to earn in a million years.

Such is the prerogative of ownership by a private corporation. He gets to run it how he wants. We get to look away and do something else while he lives out his ill-constructed fantasy.

 

[Fixxer]

I'm aware that Geoff made a 90 minute interview but to be honest, I am not watching it. Bergevin, I can still tolerate, but politically correct answers of Geoff, nope. I know the answers before he speaks, because he says what people wants to hear. I don't want to hear this bullshit, it's "probably" a PR (Public Relations) move with no substance.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don’t know whether to call them Ren and Stimpy or Itchy and Scratchy

Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne?

 

[BLONG7]

So...

Can we somehow fire Molson?

He is the one main guy on the board, with control. You would think the rest of the board could get rid of him, but I am not sure how that type of boardroom politics works.....

As many have stated he will only make changes, when the fans of the team stand up and no longer support he and MB's clown antics....enough is enough. 5000 empty seats a night outta do it......Mol$on cannot handle being embarassed....5000 empty seats, and reporters all over this asking him questions, he would lose his mind, and make someone accountable other than Youppi.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How is being a perennial bubble team a window?

Cause we have knocked on the top 10 and bottom 10 door with the current roster. I don't see us as bad as you do and if we add two impact pieces with a more mature center group with prospects coming, I see this as a good situation.

No, As a fan, I'm not going to ignore Price and Weber's window they have left.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Cause we have knocked on the top 10 and bottom 10 door with the current roster. I don't see us as bad as you do and if we add two impact pieces with a more mature center group with prospects coming, I see this as a good situation.

No, As a fan, I'm not going to ignore Price and Weber's window they have left.

Call me when either one of them has a consistent season where they are top 5 in their position and arent missing weeks upon weeks due to recurring injuries.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Call me when either one of them has a consistent season where they are top 5 in their position and arent missing weeks upon weeks due to recurring injuries.

Just depends on how many go down at a certain time and what's the depth in case of injuries. We are certainly not build to win with offense so once parts of the team go down, who is filling in those spots cause that is a big problem. Depth is getting better as prospects turn pro but still early in the process (for the latest group of prospects from 17+ drafts)

Habs formula for success starts with a team D that is top 5 or top 10 at worse. If we can't accomplish that, forget about it. Holding leads was a huge problem this past season

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The window got completely shut in the 17 offseason.

 

[Tighthead]

He is the one main guy on the board, with control. You would think the rest of the board could get rid of him, but I am not sure how that type of boardroom politics works.....

As many have stated he will only make changes, when the fans of the team stand up and no longer support he and MB's clown antics....enough is enough. 5000 empty seats a night outta do it......Mol$on cannot handle being embarassed....5000 empty seats, and reporters all over this asking him questions, he would lose his mind, and make someone accountable other than Youppi.

There isn't a board, the Canadiens are owned by a Limited Partnership (CH Limited Partnership). Molson represents the General Partner. The remaining investors are Limited Partners and therefore have no control/input. Most people aren't familiar with Limited Partnerships and the media has never picked up on this or mentioned it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The window got completely shut in the 17 offseason.

When you dont take advantage of one of the best goaltending performances in history. You are doomed to fail.

 

[CHwest]

Cause we have knocked on the top 10 and bottom 10 door with the current roster. I don't see us as bad as you do and if we add two impact pieces with a more mature center group with prospects coming, I see this as a good situation.

No, As a fan, I'm not going to ignore Price and Weber's window they have left.

Umm... when did we knock on the top 10 door with the current roster? Unless you mean draft picks?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

There isn't a board, the Canadiens are owned by a Limited Partnership (CH Limited Partnership). Molson represents the General Partner. The remaining investors are Limited Partners and therefore have no control/input. Most people aren't familiar with Limited Partnerships and the media has never picked up on this or mentioned it.

Which are Geoff, Andrew and Justin.

Molson Coors is also a general partner of the CH group. MC's Chairman is Andrew. Peter Coors is Vice. Geoff is director since 2009. There's also a new director at MC, replacing/switching for Geoff since 2019, Gavin Hattersley. And then David Coors as of 2020. Geoff used to be chairman in 2016.

Michael Andluaer is also a general partner of CH Group and was making the media rounds when they bought the team.

So we're definitely talking about a large group of deciding partners, not just the three brothers and they do state there is a board.

I'm willing to bet that if Geoff goes, you'll see one of the other Molsons or Coors. And it's highly likely to happen in the coming years unless there's some miracle run.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Umm... when did we knock on the top 10 door with the current roster? Unless you mean draft picks?

No, in parts of this past season and last, we have knocked on the top 10 door. Didn't finish in that spot yes. We have flaws to fix but if we add two big pieces, I can see the Habs as a top 5 - top 10 team range. Getting inside the top 5 cup contender status is very difficult with our core. But I don't see this as a reason to go full rebuild and sell Price/Weber on $0.50/dollar while we also retain. Nope, but you can have a different opinion

 

[WeThreeKings]

Even though Buffalo is no model of greatness.. better to fire a guy when you've lost confidence than to let him stay around and continue to damage the team

 

[CHfan1]

No, in parts of this past season and last, we have knocked on the top 10 door. Didn't finish in that spot yes. We have flaws to fix but if we add two big pieces, I can see the Habs as a top 5 or top 10 team. Getting inside the top 5 cup contender status is very difficult with our core.

If we add two big pieces can they beat Boston and Tampa (two top 5 teams). That’s the big question. Because in the past few years those teams have easily beaten the Habs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we add two big pieces can they beat Boston and Tampa (two top 5 teams). That’s the big question. Because in the past few years those teams have easily beaten the Habs.

I believe we can beat them. Habs need improvement at team D and PP.

- Top 5 or top 10 NHL team D. Right now, we can't hold leads which is a big problem.
- More mature centers as each season passes
- A legit top 6 forward who can be a shooting option on our PP.

Add Brodin and Hall or Hoffman. I think we are in the top 5-top 10 in the standings. And with a great group of kids pushing to earn spots

 

[Tighthead]

Which are Geoff, Andrew and Justin.

Molson Coors is also a general partner of the CH group. MC's Chairman is Andrew. Peter Coors is Vice. Geoff is director since 2009. There's also a new director at MC, replacing/switching for Geoff since 2019, Gavin Hattersley. And then David Coors as of 2020. Geoff used to be chairman in 2016.

Michael Andluaer is also a general partner of CH Group and was making the media rounds when they bought the team.

So we're definitely talking about a large group of deciding partners, not just the three brothers and they do state there is a board.

I'm willing to bet that if Geoff goes, you'll see one of the other Molsons or Coors. And it's highly likely to happen in the coming years unless there's some miracle run.

Are you sure those other ones aren't limited partners?

I'm not sure why they wouldn't just be a private corporation if those other people have involvement.

I thought TAP sold out at the same time as Gillett? They owned about 19 per cent at the time.

Andlauer only put in about 5 per cent. I can't see him having much say.

This is the best article I've found on ownership structure:

Oh Canadiens: Inside The Richest Deal In NHL History

 

[CHfan1]

I believe we can beat them. Habs need improvement at team D and PP.

- Top 5 or top 10 NHL team D. Right now, we can't hold leads which is a big problem.
- More mature centers as each season passes
- A legit top 6 forward who can be a shooting option on our PP.

Add Brodin and Hall or Hoffman. I think we are in the top 5-top 10 in the standings. And with a great group of kids pushing to earn spots

I disagree. I don’t think the Habs are a Brodin and Hall away from competing and beating Boston and Tampa. Boston has 29 more points in the standings and double the regulation wins. That is a lot of ground to make up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I disagree. I don’t think the Habs are a Brodin and Hall away from competing and beating Boston and Tampa. Boston has 29 more points in the standings and double the regulation wins. That is a lot of ground to make up.

It's deeper than just looking at 29 pts.

Also, I'd be very content with a top 5 - top 10 NHL team that has a very good team D with Price in net and a speedy forward group and a better PP. Even if you do a 100% rebuild, we would have a very hard time getting to that level.

 

[CHfan1]

It's deeper than just looking at 29 pts.

The Habs are 1-7 against Tampa and Boston this season and Pasta alone has outscored the Habs in games against the Bruins. Pasta 8 - Habs 7.

They are a ways away from being able to beat those two teams in a 7 game series.

Edit: it was Pasta 8 - Habs 8.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs are 1-7 against Tampa and Boston this season and Pasta alone has outscored the Habs in games against the Bruins. Pasta 8 - Habs 7.

They are a ways away from being able to beat those two teams in a 7 game series.

That don't mean much to me. Habs lost all 4 games to the Wings so we are for sure the worse right?

What our team did and what they can do with some holes fixed is not something you can quantify by looking at games lost and won against certain teams.

Bruins did a rebuild on the fly over the past few seasons. This is the strategy I would have for the Habs in the Price/Weber Window. Drooling over a 100% rebuild is not something I would do just yet. This is a NHL business, not a CHL junior team.

 

[CHfan1]

That don't mean much to me. Habs lost all 4 games to the Wings so we are for sure the worse right?

What our team did and what they can do with some holes fixed is not something you can quantify by looking at games lost and won against certain teams.

Bruins did a rebuild on the fly over the past few seasons. This is the strategy I would have for the Habs in the Price/Weber Window. Drooling over a 100% rebuild is not something I would do just yet. This is a NHL business, not a CHL junior team.

The 4 losses against Detroit show how truly bad this team is.

The Bruins were also never this bad. They also had better pieces to retool around on the fly. Who on the Habs is as good as Bergeron, Marchand, and Pasta?

Unfortunately I don’t think there is a Price/Weber window. At least in the next couple of seasons.

Edit: if Weber and Price stay at the top of their game 2-3 years from now there could be a window there. That is if Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, and Romanov turn out to be very good players. I’m hoping those three turn out to be elite and the Habs can build around them.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Are you sure those other ones aren't limited partners?

I'm not sure why they wouldn't just be a private corporation if those other people have involvement.

I thought TAP sold out at the same time as Gillett? They owned about 19 per cent at the time.

Andlauer only put in about 5 per cent. I can't see him having much say.

This is the best article I've found on ownership structure:

Oh Canadiens: Inside The Richest Deal In NHL History

The MolsonCoors's board states they are General partners in the CH Group.

Not much is known about who else is general partner, you just assume they are limited, when it seems only the financial institutions were limited partners. Even if Andluaer has only 5%, he's a general partner. Now that tells me there's quite a few general partners.

When the article states that the Molsons dished in 140 mil for a controlling interest, it doesn't state if it's the brothers or the brothers + Molson Coors (Bill & Peter). The article doesn't mention MolsonCoors as a partner, yet their own website say they are (the company) a general partner in CH Group.

So there are probably quite a few actors on that board. The Molsons, the Coors, BCE, Andluaer, the Thompsons, ect.

Point is Geoff's not here forever. Another mind could bring better decisions.

 

[Tighthead]

The MolsonCoors's board states they are General partners in the CH Group.

Not much is known about who else is general partner, you just assume they are limited, when it seems only the financial institutions were limited partners. Even if Andluaer has only 5%, he's a general partner. Now that tells me there's quite a few general partners.

When the article states that the Molsons dished in 140 mil for a controlling interest, it doesn't state if it's the brothers or the brothers + Molson Coors (Bill & Peter). The article doesn't mention MolsonCoors as a partner, yet their own website say they are (the company) a general partner in CH Group.

So there are probably quite a few actors on that board. The Molsons, the Coors, BCE, Andluaer, the Thompsons, ect.

Point is Geoff's not here forever. Another mind could bring better decisions.

Can you send me the link that says TAP is a general partner? The Forbes article says they sold out with Gillett. I have only seen Geoff mentioned as a GP on the company website.

What is your source that Andlauer is a general partner? Makes no sense in a LP structure.