OT: General Video Game Discussion VII

[Avder]

They've been adament that the new Zelda game will be released on the Wii U, but it wouldn't shock me to see another small delay and a release on both. I mean, the NX would be a success right off the bat.

I was kind of disappointed that they split the release of Twilight Princess across the Gamecube and Wii. But I can see exactly why they did it.

I never understood why shooters never took off on the Wii. Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3 were perfect examples of how the Wii's remote could be used to give shooters a nearly PC like experience.

I wonder how the original Wii would have done if it had graphics capabilities in line with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

 

[Vashanesh]

I was kind of disappointed that they split the release of Twilight Princess across the Gamecube and Wii. But I can see exactly why they did it.

I never understood why shooters never took off on the Wii. Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3 were perfect examples of how the Wii's remote could be used to give shooters a nearly PC like experience.

I wonder how the original Wii would have done if it had graphics capabilities in line with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Because Nintendo's old guard don't understand Western trends like FPSs, and 3rd party devs abandoned the Wii (and subsequently, the WiiU) relatively early on because of it's comparatively weak hardware and inability to port.

A bit off topic, but I still think Nintendo needs to get out of the console business.

Step 1: Stop making flash in the pan, gimmicky, objectively weaker systems.
Step 2: Put out their awesome first-party titles with proper hardware behind them.
Step 3: Focus on mobile, where they already dominate -- as much as I love my Vita, it's a niche product and can't possibly be considered competition.

 

[gphr513]

Got an Xbone for my birthday so I've been catching up on 'older' games. Really enjoying Shadow of Mordor. Considering getting The Witcher next... I've heard the movement takes a while to get used to - lots of momentum.

Any other recommendations? I lose interest pretty quickly with FPSs, so Battlefield and COD wouldn't be worth the effort for me... Although, Battlefront looks really intriguing.

I'm looking forward to downloading some newer puzzle/adventure games, like Broken Age.

If you're into the genre, GTA V is awesome. Especially on next gen.

 

[Wild11MN]

I was kind of disappointed that they split the release of Twilight Princess across the Gamecube and Wii. But I can see exactly why they did it.

I never understood why shooters never took off on the Wii. Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3 were perfect examples of how the Wii's remote could be used to give shooters a nearly PC like experience.

I wonder how the original Wii would have done if it had graphics capabilities in line with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Metroid Prime 3 is great, but for a competitive multiplayer shooter, the Wiimote just isn't good enough IMO. Add in the underwhelming graphics and it's easy to see why the 3rd party support all but stopped.

There's a rumor that the NX won't be as powerful as the PS4. If it's coming 2-3 years after and it's very close, but not quite at PS4 level, I wonder if it has any chance of doing well.

 

[Avder]

You'd think it would have to at least match the performance of a PS4 to have any viable chance, unless they've got some kind of "wowzers" gimick in mind.

And the Wiimote may not be as accurate as a mouse, but it sure as hell feels a lot easier and more accurate to me than dual analog does.

 

[Vashanesh]

Metroid Prime 3 is great, but for a competitive multiplayer shooter, the Wiimote just isn't good enough IMO. Add in the underwhelming graphics and it's easy to see why the 3rd party support all but stopped.

There's a rumor that the NX won't be as powerful as the PS4. If it's coming 2-3 years after and it's very close, but not quite at PS4 level, I wonder if it has any chance of doing well.

I think everyone knows the answer to that. It'll seem like it's selling like crazy, because Nintendo is the master of making supply:demand LOOK good. A year after release, a bunch of people will be looking at yet another box collecting dust, wondering if it's ever going to get good games more than 0-3 times a year.

I keep falling for it, but it's real upsetting that they keep going with the same business model.

 

[Wild11MN]

I think the big wild card is if they can get a real online system. I honestly think that will determine whether or not they can ever catch up. Getting close to PS4 specs with real online should get them a large amount of 3rd party support back.

The other thing is having good games at release. Sure, people claim the system has good games now, but we're how many years in the cycle with no Metroid and no Zelda. Plus with Smash on the 3DS, I have no motivation to buy a Wii U, even though I love every 3D Mario game out there.

 

[forthewild]

Metroid Prime 3 is great, but for a competitive multiplayer shooter, the Wiimote just isn't good enough IMO. Add in the underwhelming graphics and it's easy to see why the 3rd party support all but stopped.

There's a rumor that the NX won't be as powerful as the PS4. If it's coming 2-3 years after and it's very close, but not quite at PS4 level, I wonder if it has any chance of doing well.

I would put very little substance into that rumor, in 2-3 year the hardware cost of getting ps4 like power would not be very expensive, hell you can almost build a 400 dollar pc sans OS that is close to ps4 power, which means that in 2-3 years you can do a gaming system that costs the consumer 299.99 and you can either sell it for no loss or a small profit (like few dollars but still not a cost loss)

 

[forthewild]

What nintendo should do is focus on a hybrid approach by having the NX come out at the same time with their next handheld system. Make a new DS that can give you two screens (1080p should be cheap as well as the moble power to run 1080p should be there)

This way they can use their excellent handheld value and tie it into people playing games at home and on the go. Sony almost had this, well they kind of do with Vita, but Sony isn't supporting the Vita anymore and they made some awful decision when they designed that system.

In essence if Nintendo designs their new system in a way that it can have games ported really easily to their handheld, you could get two for one deals and with Cloud saves and proper networking it would be amazing to be able to start up a zelda game on the NX and finish it off on the handheld.

I just hope they don't go for a gimick again.

 

[Avder]

I believe they're dropping the DS entirely and coming up with a new handheld that uses the same architecture as the NX/Wii/Wii U/Gamecube all use specifically to make porting easier.

 

[forthewild]

I believe they're dropping the DS entirely and coming up with a new handheld that uses the same architecture as the NX/Wii/Wii U/Gamecube all use specifically to make porting easier.

I would with out a doubt drop 499.99 on a system that was capable of 1080p/60fps (both xbone and ps4 failed this pretty hard, but in 2-3 years the cost of such a thing should be low) that came bundled with a handheld device which acts like a 2nd screen (wii u) and a standalone, like basically a new DS with a new system for one price.

But Nintendo needs to throw some money at networking guru to get their online up to par.

 

[Ladde]

(both xbone and ps4 failed this pretty hard, but in 2-3 years the cost of such a thing should be low)

Game developers are part of this too. PC master race anyone?

 

[forthewild]

Game developers are part of this too. PC master race anyone?

as much as i want to throw my meat into that **********, the devs aren't the problem, both ps4 and xbone just aren't capable of doing 1080/60fps from a hardware point unless devs downgrade visuals which both sony and microsoft made a nono with their marketing.

Both sony and microsoft should have actually put in hardware that can at least hit 1080/60 fps, and including MOBILE level GPu's over actual gpu's is a big part of th problem.

Anywho its what it is.

 

[Wild11MN]

But the NX isn't 2-3 years away. There's more rumors that production could be starting as early as October for a release as early as next summer. Now I highly doubt that schedule is true. Regardless, the system is definitely in development and could release by the end of next year already.

I thought I heard something about a common architecture or something like a console/handheld hybrid. I think there's definitely something to this. I mean, they already allow you to play full games on the tablet screen on Wii U.

Still think online is the key to catch up.

 

[Wild11MN]

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo CEO, died yesterday at age 55 due to bile duct growth.

RIP.

 

[Swervin81]

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo CEO, died yesterday at age 55 due to bile duct growth.

RIP.

Some of Iwata's accomplishments:

- Helped HAL with the nearly doomed developement of Earthbound by completely rewriting the code from scratch that handled text, making it much more efficient which in turn cleared the way for that amazing soundtrack. Oh, and he did it all IN ONE NIGHT

- The production of Pokemon Gold/Silver was stalled because the dev team could not fit the region of Johto in a 2MB cartridge. He helped Game Freak rewrite Pokemon Gold/Silver to the point it was so efficient, they had room to not only fit Johto in, but also add an entire separate region (Kanto) in, all of which fit in under 2MB.

- Helped get the Kirby series off the ground way back in the late 80's/early 90's

- Led Nintendo's biggest franchises into the new generation with the GCN and made the transition to 3D virtually seamless.

- Helped Sakurai get Melee out the door shortly after the GCN launched. Not just that, but was the reason the Smash series came to be period.

- Single-handedly reverse engineered the Pokemon battle system for Pokemon Stadium for the N64, without any reference documents or help... in ONE week.

Very sad news. Not only has the industry lost the legend, but the world, period, has lost a legend. Him and Miyamoto are not only two of the biggest reasons the industry is so big and fruitful today, but it's also the reasons guys like me and many others are avid gamers today. Iwata's games were responsible for some of the best moments in my childhood. I grew up with them and still play them to this day.

RIP, Mr. iwata

 

[123TripleDoge]

Man, Rocket League on PS4 is loads of fun. Finally a PS+ game that's worth something.

Easy to pick up and play, but also has a super high skill ceiling

 

[Vashanesh]

Losing an industry giant like Iwata, especially when he was reasonably young, hits me like a truck.

As critical as I've become of Nintendo, the man's accomplishments have left a hell of an imprint on a generation of gamers. I can only imagine what Nintendo is going to do to replace him, he was just so genuine... Very few companies, let alone Japanese companies, have the head of the whole thing being such an approachable and likable guy.

Hearing some of the stories gaming press are telling about him really makes it sink in just how important he has been to gaming. Impossibly sad...

 

[Sharppi]

I have absolutely no ties to Nintendo so the news didn't affect me in any way.

 

[Swervin81]

Man, Rocket League on PS4 is loads of fun. Finally a PS+ game that's worth something.

Easy to pick up and play, but also has a super high skill ceiling

Yeah... I legitimately can't stop. Like, it's beyond addictive. If only I had a nickel for everytime I had a glorious opportunity and punted the ball over the net or had it hop over me.... GAH!

 

[gphr513]

Even in EHM we can't beat the Hawks

 

[Wild11MN]

Even in EHM we can't beat the Hawks

Hey, we won a game. I'll take it.

 

[gphr513]

Hey, we won a game. I'll take it.

The only regulation game the Hawks lost all postseason!

They beat the Caps in 5 games for the Cup.

 

[Avder]

****ing Hawks. Still disgusted that Towes and Kane will be on the cover of the next NHL game.

Someone here with dome graphical talent ought to come up with a few Wild player cover designs so we can print those off and slip em in the cover in place of the grotesque 2x Hawks one.

Anyway, I've become lost in Oolite, a free and open source recreation of Elite, a space trading and combat game from the 80s that more or less defined the genre.

Blowing up pirates is fun.

 

[Engebretson]

****ing Hawks. Still disgusted that Towes and Kane will be on the cover of the next NHL game.

I take comfort in the fact that the game itself will most likely be a gloriously epic turd again.