General UFC/MMA/Boxing discussion VI

[Kriss E]

Say development of PEDs is regulated to ensure whatever is produced is relatively "safe". What happens when there is something better than the regulated stuff but would carry unacceptable health risks to be a legal PED in sports? Do you test for that or close your eyes and let athletes assume risks? Read stories of anabolic steroids usage by East German female swimmer and the health consequences it had. Good luck developing something that will have a better impact on performance while carrying less side effects.

That is precisely the damn point. If you spent those millions and millions of dollars on funding research to develop better drugs, then maybe we'd be at a point where those top PEDs aren't as dangerous as they are today.

I mean, we can cure diseases, we can build a gun from a 3D printer, we can ****ing clone animals. You are going to sit there and tell that it's impossible for us to develop safer PEDs while we are close to being capable of transplanting organs from cloned pigs into humans???

Come on man. Medecine and science is very advance. If we funded research instead of policing, we would already have much safer, and probably more effective, PEDs today.

When you actually do PED specific R&D and produce something with potential there is going to be a whole process to validate effectiveness and health risks. In pharma world this takes forever. You will likely need to test it on actual athletes and not general population unlike typical meds. That is already a very small sample you can work with. While it is in process of being approved, what happens when someone decides to use it in competition? Close your eyes or let them assume risks in which case there is no point in regulation to begin with. Sorry but producing the best PEDs without side effects in all cases is rather unrealistic.

Nobody is claiming that this is a perfect solution. The point is that the alternative is a massive failure. Find ways to regulate and develop safer PEDs.

War on drugs will never succeed. Without a doubt the biggest failed war of all time.

Reference to Icarus & Goldman's dilemma is that some will always want to cheat and are willing to take great measures and take big risks to gain advantage. I never said current system is good if you read what I wrote. I'm simply choosing what I believe to be the lesser evil. If you are comfortable with athletes putting in their bodies whatever they want, that is your choice.

Let's not pretend like "health" is the reason these drugs are banned. That is very naive.
I mean, this started talking about Jon Jones, a fighter. So...you care more about what a fighter puts in his body than the fact he's going to go out there and eat a bunch of punches or kicks to the body and head??? How ironic...

Sure, there will always be that 1% who would sell their mother for a chance to win. That isn't much of an argument really. Nobody is claiming that this would make things perfect. It would however eliminate a lot of this nonsense BS where people lose their accomplishments because others haven't failed a test yet.

 

[Kojo]

Now that Jon Jones is out of the way what is next for DC?

 

[LeHab]

Nobody is claiming that this is a perfect solution. The point is that the alternative is a massive failure. Find ways to regulate and develop safer PEDs.

War on drugs will never succeed. Without a doubt the biggest failed war of all time.

Let's not pretend like "health" is the reason these drugs are banned. That is very naive.
I mean, this started talking about Jon Jones, a fighter. So...you care more about what a fighter puts in his body than the fact he's going to go out there and eat a bunch of punches or kicks to the body and head??? How ironic...

Sure, there will always be that 1% who would sell their mother for a chance to win. That isn't much of an argument really. Nobody is claiming that this would make things perfect. It would however eliminate a lot of this nonsense BS where people lose their accomplishments because others haven't failed a test yet.

If it was as easy and simple as develop safer PEDs I'd be all for it. Unfortunately I'm being realistic. Sure we have awesome advances in various fields but pharma development is notoriously expensive and difficult.
Yes war on drugs is a failure especially down South of the border. If only it was easy to develop something that would be safe to use and provide the same effect to consumers. Once again much much easier said than done.

There are fairly safe PEDs out there that are banned due to moral and other factors which I don't want to bring into this.

At least we agree both have issues. The solution if one is possible will have to be something else if that is even possible.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Now that Jon Jones is out of the way what is next for DC?

A rematch with Gustafsson is rumored to be in the works. The split decision in their first fight would make for a very easy narrative.

Did any of you get involved in boxing? I did in my youth. I got cocky after winning fights against untutored contemporaries and I wanted to advance my technique. However, when I went to a gym in which professionals were training I realized that boxing is a sport in which the object is to injure one's opponent. All of you know what can happen to hockey players who get hit too often, so you can imagine what repeated blows to the head from professional boxers can do. This preview scared me off forever. I'm an old man and if I were attacked today the first thing I would do is try to disable the attacker with well-aimed kicks.

I did in late high school and in college, as a way to get in shape for football and because I'd been a big fan of combat sports since as long as a I can remember. As far as dealing with the notion of having to hurt and get hurt, it's the kind of thing that I always tried not to think about too much. Football in particular would have been almost impossible if I played with a lot of worry weighing on my conscience. To me it was always just a part of being an athlete, it came with some risk that you kind of had to accept in order to enjoy the good part, you know ? For what it's worth, I've had my bell rung more times than I care to count in both sports and I never felt it was the other guy's fault.

 

[Deebs]

A rematch with Gustafsson is rumored to be in the works. The split decision in their first fight would make for a very easy narrative.

If it's not Gustafsson, I wouldn't mind seeing him move up to heavyweight

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If it's not Gustafsson, I wouldn't mind seeing him move up to heavyweight

As far as I know there hasn't been any words about him moving up for quite some time now. The 205 cut has been a major struggle for him at times as everybody knows so it's not entirely impossible he'd do it I guess, he'd have a lot of fresh opponents as a heavy. He had a lot of success at that weight earlier in his career, in Strikeforce notably.

 

[Deebs]

As far as I know there hasn't been any words about him moving up for quite some time now. The 205 cut has been a major struggle for him at times as everybody knows so it's not entirely impossible he'd do it I guess, he'd have a lot of fresh opponents as a heavy. He had a lot of success at that weight earlier in his career, in Strikeforce notably.

For sure. With him being older now, that cut is so tough for him now. He's such a good wrestler and his cardio so strong, he'd give a lot of guys problems up there. I'd like to see it.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

The last undercard fight just ended. GGG vs Canelo coming up next !

 

[Guiness time]

stream?

 

[Belial]

Here we go!!!!!

 

[CreamOfTheCrop]

any one got by any chance some good good candy for me.

 

[Belial]

Why GGG turned PRO so late?

 

[Skip Bayless]

I got Canelo via TKO

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Canelo looks like he could fall asleep. No nerves showing whatsoever.

 

[Deebs]

Can't wait...let's do this

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

GGG is controlling the center of the ring, as expected. Canelo has QUICK hands .

 

[MD thaivuN]

first round to Alvarez

 

[Belial]

Canelo is quick af

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I've got Canelo up 2 rounds, he's really scoring on counters. GGG is a bit flat footed right now.

 

[Belial]

first round to Alvarez

Debatable...

 

[Skip Bayless]

GGG looks nervous af, very stiff

 

[Deebs]

2-1 Canelo

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Suddenly GGG has a much better round. He hurt Canelo with a couple body shots.

 

[MD thaivuN]

GGG is starting to find his shots, but getting tagged too. 3-0 Alvarez. So far, going as I expected. Alvarez giving GGG trouble with his upper body movement, but he's slow feeted enough that GGG doesn't have to fight for ring position and that's allowing him to adapt.

Edit: 3-1 Canelo.

 

[Skip Bayless]

GGG takes this one