WC: General Talk '14 — Switzerland

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So it's over, hard to believe the US defense managed to keep Finland to 1 goal. You know things don't go well when even they arena scores..

4th failure to reach the top 8 in the last 5 tournaments.
 
So it's over, hard to believe the US defense managed to keep Finland to 1 goal. You know things don't go well when even they arena scores..

4th failure to reach the top 8 in the last 5 tournaments.

Ya and the only people we can blame are those players who say 'they are too tired' to compete for their country, guys like Streit, Niederreiter or Stephan. We've also been unlucky with all the injuries and I think the expectations are way more higher now in Switzerland.
 
Before debating if we ll be able to pass one time Slovakia or Czech Republic, let's focus to be regularly on the top 8, with some possible outbreaks as the last year. We do it on junior, let's try to do it again at adult level.
 
Ya and the only people we can blame are those players who say 'they are too tired' to compete for their country, guys like Streit, Niederreiter or Stephan. We've also been unlucky with all the injuries and I think the expectations are way more higher now in Switzerland.

I wouldn´t put the blame on those guys who didn´t go, especially not on Streit and Niederreiter.
Both of them played more than 100 games including the pre-season and the Olympics. So it is understandable that they decided not to jet to Minsk to join a team that is in the middle of a tournament.
It is disappointing that guys like Stephan, Wick and Blindenbacher decided not to participate, yet all of them played more than 70 games and may feel exhausted.
I´d rather go to a tournament with the players who want to be there and feel ready to do the task at hand. This is the problem of the WC but every country has to deal with it, not just us.

If I would have to put the blame on someone, it would be Simpson and the media. The media because they went on and on with the high expectations and made a big fuss about the players who decided not to go to Minsk, probably lowering the self-esteem of the players that remained on the roster and already making excuses for them.
And Simpson because he failed to coach a good defensive system. Compared to last year, this has been the big difference.
 
we lost to Russia ... 5-0 in quantity but not in quality !
we should have won to USA
We should have won to Bielorussia
We beat Germany
We may and could have beaten Finland
We beat Kazakstan

I think that :

All this without : ... nino, streit, Hiller, Wick, others ... The only great players we are having are Josi, Brunner and Berra (in bad shape) ... these are the only stars we are playing with.

In other words ... we kept it not too badly (but unluckily) with a team that is far from the best we can put together ... i see that as a great positive.

And to me, that the NHL players say no to the team is fine (they finish later ... heavy schedule) ... yet our NLA players should agree to play. Little to no excuse.

Look at Canada ... USA ... Russia ... they also have their bad years. We are a top team and have bad years as well. Since we are a top 3rd tiers team ... we will have more bad years than the others .... yet we are still above many other teams ...
And by the way, their is no top 6 anymore ... we should speak about a top 4 and a top 8 ... and we are in the top 8.

And nobody is really to blame ... bad years happend ... and will happend again ... Simpson is going ... and it is good. Some others may not be hurt next time, or may even participate. Or not ... doesn't matter ... . We are better then ever ... and more young players are going abroad ... and the level is on the rise ... . And that is it. It doesn't guarantee a medal ... but year after year the probabilities are greater and greater.
 
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Great, as always. Rarley makes any mistakes, although he mostly played with a rookie on his side. Probably again one of the best (if not the best) D-men of the tournament.
 
we lost to Russia ... 5-0 in quantity but not in quality !
we should have won to USA
We should have won to Bielorussia
We beat Germany
We may and could have beaten Finland
We beat Kazakstan

There were some quality moments on offense against Russia, but it was a bad defensive performance from start to finish. Maybe the game could have ended 5-1 or 5-2, but I wouldn't argue that it was a strong game. Definitely not compared to how Germany handled Russia yesterday.

I can't comment much on the USA game as I only saw the goals, I can only say that with some luck (read: correct offside calls), there would have been at least one point.

The game against Belarus was a textbook example of a team beating itself, that loss should never have happend. On the other hand, they got 3 points against Germany despite an awful third period. Those games kind of cancel each other.

The last two games were a lot better and it showed on the scoresheet.

Overall, I'd say that the amount of points earned is not far from reflecting the quality of the team. Sure, some lucky bounces can always change the outcome of a game, but it's wrong to blame the result on bad luck or circumstances.

All this without : ... nino, streit, Hiller, Wick, others ... The only great players we are having are Josi, Brunner and Berra (in bad shape) ... these are the only stars we are playing with.

In other words ... we kept it not too badly (but unluckily) with a team that is far from the best we can put together ... i see that as a great positive.

It would be all well and good if it was true for Switzerland only, but almost all teams are far from having their best roster. Russia, although impressive, has to rely on unexpected production from Tikhonov and Plotnikov, the USA don't even have the usual one or two players of Stastny's caliber they can usually count on, Finland got almost nothing from the NHL and even lost some of their strong Europe based players like Aaltonen or Pesonen, and Germany is missing some key players as well. Belarus of course have their best team playing, but still don't look better than Switzerland on paper (they may have more firepower, but their defense has the same depth problem without having any Josi or Weber). Latvia and Kazakhstan have decent roster compared to what they could hope for. It's not much better in pool A, only France and Italy can be happy with what they got.

Switzerland's offense has enough quality (compared to last year, it only lacks some better 4th liner, but the current 4th line is decent enough), and the defense could of course use two top 4 players, but the drop in quality from last year doesn't justify going from 9 wins to only 2/3.

And to me, that the NHL players say no to the team is fine (they finish later ... heavy schedule) ... yet our NLA players should agree to play. Little to no excuse.

This should be evaluated on a case by case basis. I can understand Niederreiter not going, as joining a team mid tournament is not the best situation. Streit, on the other hand, could have joined on time for the last exhibition game, and, unless the Flyers coaching staff doesn't have a clue about how to manage its players, was prepared to play one more month of hockey.

Regarding the NLA players, not everyone can be blamed. Von Gunten was obviously playing injured in the playoffs, it's been reported that Stephan was under painkillers since december, and Walker certainly didn't look happy about not being in Minsk when he was invited by RSI to comment on the game against Russia. But some things are not acceptable, like Wick not picking up the phone, Bieber tweeting a pick from his holidays, or Plüss sudenly wanting more preparation time. Especially since Simpson asked all players in December already, and all said they would take part.
 
Latvia and Kazakhstan have decent roster compared to what they could hope for.
Once again, that's not true. We're missing 40% of our players. Considering the number of pro players that we do have, that's a much bigger loss when compared to the Swiss roster.
 
Once again, that's not true. We're missing 40% of our players. Considering the number of pro players that we do have, that's a much bigger loss when compared to the Swiss roster.

How is it not true? Of the 10 teams that were at the Olympics, not a single one other than Latvia has more than 50% of its roster back. Latvia sure misses a lot of defensemen, but has both goalies and most of its forwards back. It's a very strong roster for a WC played in an Olympic year.
 
How is it not true? Of the 10 teams that were at the Olympics, not a single one other than Latvia has more than 50% of its roster back. Latvia sure misses a lot of defensemen, but has both goalies and most of its forwards back. It's a very strong roster for a WC played in an Olympic year.
Norway has its entire lineup pretty much. :)

But I think you're missing my point. When you only have a few dozen pro players who don't play in EIHL/Kazakhstan/Denmark/Mestis, losing so many players is a major hit on the quality of your team.

We have no depth to our hockey program. It's not about the number of players absent, but about how much worse your team is.
 
:facepalm:

For us, to go to the QF Kazakstan has to beat Finland ... for the time being 0-1 Finland and 2-11 shots. goal on PP.

I have a very expected bad feeling for that !
very regretfully.

wouahou ... 1-1 now ... go Kazakstan go !

now 2-1 for Kazakstan ... can't believe it !

now 2-2 ... sad ... but Kazaks are actually playing pretty well.
 
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Still believing in it? I must say I admire your optimism!

What about this scenario: Kazakhstan beats Finland, Latvia beats Belarus, Switzerland beats Latvia and jumps into a playoff spot... only for Belarus to beat Russia :D
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure RUS would loose to BLR if it's needed.

At least KAZ gives everything and shows how good SUI played on saturday.
 
Still believing in it? I must say I admire our optimism!

What about this scenario: Kazakhstan beats Finland, Latvia beats Belarus, Switzerland beats Latvia and jumps into a playoff spot... only for Belarus to beat Russia :D

:laugh:

I am independent worker, alone in my office ... and always have my pc with a nice broadband ... !

and optimism ... hey ! optimism is happiness in life ! it's a wise choice !

The Belorussia - Russia part of the equation is the safest of the conditions we need to qualify. So should the others take place and this one fail ... ?! well what can i tell you ? At least we rooted for Kazakstan, we won against Latvia ... and we didn't make the QF because the unprobable took place on ALL conditions of the equation. :)

and while i am writting this post, the german comentator is on fire ... Rinne is saving the Finish house for now 5 minutes !!
and just now ...Finland scored ... unfair 4-2 :shakehead typical hockey.

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Probabilities are shrinking ... shrinking .. !
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure RUS would loose to BLR if it's needed.

At least KAZ gives everything and shows how good SUI played on saturday.

I don't think so, Russians want to eat everyone ... they have Sochi in their heart. They want total revenge. They want a big 0 in all other columns than the Win.
 
So Seger might retire, he deserves everything, he did so much for Swiss icehockey and he was always there, after good seasons, after bad seasons, in pain or not in pain, after long seasons or shorter seasons. Such a huge sportsmen.
 
It is a shame that the guys, who decide the MVPs for each team, didn't give a spot to Seger. A new alltime IIHF recordholder and they are not even appreciate it. 2014 was not Segers best tournament but 18 WCs and not even a symbolic approval?
 
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