WC: General Talk '14 — Finland (Part II)
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side note: finland had/has to play three back to back games, while non of their opponents had/has to play against finland while having played the day before...
I think that showed in the third period against swiss.. specially guy like Jori Lehterä would need some break his legs dont move.
mattihp
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The schedule is not the big problem, the roster is.
Salomäki will hopefully be up and at it after a rest.
Salomäki will hopefully be up and at it after a rest.
sooo..
since 80% of us would have slotted in at least two of Lehtere's empty net chances, isn't it now obvious that he has to moved from the first line? I'd say scratched but then Erkka..
since 80% of us would have slotted in at least two of Lehtere's empty net chances, isn't it now obvious that he has to moved from the first line? I'd say scratched but then Erkka..
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We worked enough to win this game, it was Lehteräs mistake. Not scoring goals from those is a mistake, its not just a missed shot.. But there is still hope.
I don't really care about the Deserving concept. History has shown that deserving does not work. Better to be lucky team than the best team of the tournament. If we get to quarters some how, it makes no difference to me from winning all games 6-0 before quarters.
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Sure it was a good year, but it's not a excuse to ice a crappy team in this tournament.
It would be an excuse, if the guys in this crappy team were the only ones willing to show up.
But Erkka deliberately cut and/or ignored players more deserving to be there.
Well, we've had plenty of close calls before, sometimes advancing to an undeserved result. But not this time. They played with fire even more blatantly than usual, and looks like karma is a female dog, finally.
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Yeah I didn't mean that. Them just are bigger things than one WC gold. Sure I want our team to win, but I didn't wait anything. Bad choices.
It doesnt matter if the team had Teräväinen/Markus Granlund/Pokka and others or not. Like I said before the tournament if Kontiola/Lehterä/Jokinen/Komarov etc play well were fine, if they dont doesnt matter who els is in the team. So far the leading department has failed.
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Nice team we have in this tournament. Are you seriously telling me this is the best team they came up with ? Everybody injured?
Sooooo hard to create even semi good changes to score and at the same time, every team can create multiple good changes to score against us. Rinne is the only reason we got change to win.
Usa game was the biggest load of shait ive seen in a long time.
Sooooo hard to create even semi good changes to score and at the same time, every team can create multiple good changes to score against us. Rinne is the only reason we got change to win.
Usa game was the biggest load of shait ive seen in a long time.
He can't shoot. He's good at passing, positioning, defense, faceoffs and puckhandling and also pretty good in the corners. Missing those onetimers was bad, but it doesn't make him 'terrible'.
Teuvo Teräväinen, Michael Keränen, Joonas Järvinen, Ville Pokka, Rasmus Ristolainen. Five players who had enormous potential to make this team so much better.
All healthy and available, yet Erkka overlooked them all.
It is, of course, not any kind of certainty that they truly would have helped salvage this thing. But at least nobody would be blaming the management of turning the player selection into this clusterbuss.
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Those players should be in this team. Teräväinen and Keränen on powerplay would be nice. Now we have Kontiola and Lehterä trying to pass 6 million dollar passes for first min of the PP .. then the 2nd unit comes and does something.. PP over. No goal.
Well this is kinda the best result we could wish, it's shows Liitto that Lehterä, Hietanen, Kontiola etc and average Liiga players, are not enough and we need outside help from AHL/NHL.
And seriously wtf was the thing with Salomäki? Best player when he came to play in 3rd period. I don't understand why didn't get icetime in the first and second.
Lehterä is just much better suited as center. He can't shoot or skate, so it's kinda hard to be a winger that way.
And seriously wtf was the thing with Salomäki? Best player when he came to play in 3rd period. I don't understand why didn't get icetime in the first and second.
Lehterä is just much better suited as center. He can't shoot or skate, so it's kinda hard to be a winger that way.
Lehterä is a great KHL player but can't bring it to the NT and that's why he shouldn't have a big role. I think it's a mental issue and him not being able to stay away from Twitter even on game days doesn't help things. If you're rattled by negative feedback from strangers (or by a loud and hostile crowd, which he referred to after the Latvia game), stay away from social media.
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I really don't get this mindset. It's a team sport. Of course the best players need to show up if success is to be achieved. However, think of a team like Pens. Is it really wise to build the team around just the few key players? What about secondary scoring, others picking up when the big guns have an off day? Is there really no value in that...?
You can always say "well it's not about one guy, he wouldn't have made a difference". Well, perhaps that is true, but what about when you can name, say, five players who might have been a better selection. That's 20 % of the team. Does it not matter at all then either...?
Those guys had theyre chances at EHT and pretournament matches and were worse than the guys in this team. File said it best theres no certainty they would have made difference and with 5 young players in the team we could have been already out of playoffs. Kontiola/Lehterä/Jokinen and co were gonna be in the team nomatter of what and needed to deliver but havent so if your main guys dont work it doesnt matter. Wishful thinking that guys like Teräväinen/Pokka would have carried this team.
You obviously didn't watch those games. We had Teräväinen, Keränen and Pokka in and no way were they worse than some names who made it in.
And don't try to explain it with "roling", as we took only two "skill" wingers originally (Lehterä and Aaltonen) and whoppin' seven grinders. Or three skill guys, if you wish to count Jormakka.
Erkka could have easily cut two out of Salomäki/Pakarinen/Huhtala/Savinainen/J.Sallinen to make room for Keränen and Teräväinen to have extra options.
And how in the friggin' way you put Ristolainen behind some names who made the team? Or Järvinen, if unknown qualities like Korpikari and Marttinen made the cut?
It's true that they would not have been saviors, but they did have a crapton more merit. So stop talking out of your backside.
Its sad to see coaches not taking risks with young potentil guys and stuck with these woodhands.
It's even sadder to see them take chances with older players without potential instead.
When it became evident that most of the heavy hitters would decline, Erkka had two ways to go about it. Either he goes young, or he fills the pack with grinders, hoping that the one skill unit will score what is needed and the rest will build a wall between blueline and Rinne. Sadly, he chose the latter and brought this disaster upon himself.
The funny thing is, had Erkka picked Teräväinen, Pokka, Ristolainen, Keränen, Järvinen and MaG, or even most of them, nobody would be complaining even if the result right now was exactly the same.
We would all be like, "oh well, a little too soon, but it's an invaluable experience for 'em" - and Erkka would be remembered as the brave and bold creature who ushered in the new era.
But he went with Team Boring, and now he will most likely be remembered as an old fool who completely crapped his bed and brought about the worst result in ages.
Teräväinen had 1 good game of 4 before the tournament and now his Gretzky in Files papers. Nice moves here and there but also bad passes and he lost ALL i repeat ALL 1on1 battles. I know understand i can see beyond the highlight moves better than people here and look into the play shift by shift better. Nifty moves by Teräväinen dont fool his zero effectiveness. Pokka was completely anonymous and would have been crime to have him in the team. You guys have to get your heads out of ageism. Every young player you praise to heavens and mock older guys like Karalahti to hell. Hockey doesnt work like that. Even if Karalahti is 50 years old and is better than Pokka you pick Jere. Simple as that. Bratislava miracle where 19 year old Granlund comes and wins happends once every decade or every two decades. And even back then the leading players lead by Mikko/Tuomo/Immonen were on fire. Lajunen didnt play great in EHT either but neither was his performance worse then Pokkas. In level situation take the older player.
If you guys dont care about results lets send Kasperi Kapanen, Urho Vaakanainen out there then. Why bother with just 20 year olds we can send 15 year olds aswell.. the logic of some of you people...
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