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WC: General Talk '14 — Denmark

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Bank said:
Did Jesper Schultz play at the NT? Wow I've completely missed that :laugh:
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I'll echo this! Never striked me as a former player, more a hockey geek whose obsession with the game has turned into somewhat of a career? Haven't seen him mentioned as anything other than hockey expert before - but I've been wrong (plenty of times) before! :laugh: Like to see some evidence of it - you live and you learn, and all that!
 
I don't think Janne is the right man for this. Im not trying to take anything away from the dear Swedes, but I really would like to go with a Dane.

I know we lack quality coaches but there are a few.

The Swedish coaches are good, no doubt, but they seriously lack a winning mentality that comes with national pride.

I don't get a sense of urgency or annoyance from them when we loose or play bad.

Just look at what a guy like Roy does for Norway, imo he is a big reason for Norways success.

We could get Ehlers to come home and coach, and build up a team identity,mentality and coherence. All of which we have lacked since we started getting better players.

It's like we forgot teams DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE us anymore, no easy W's.

France might still get underestimated and hence get points there, and Norway just have a solid gameplan.

Can we please stop with all these Swedes and try a Dane, or at least a semi Dane like Todd.His time in EBEL should do him good.

I honestly see a team with an identity crisis as has been the case the last few years. Are we a physical team? A grinding team? An offense first team?
They don't even seem to know...

And god knows why we cannot make the PP work....

Even France and Italy have more Identity.
 
Anders Poulsen and Thomas Spelling added to the roster now, even though Oliver Bjørkstrand would be ready and Lars Eller could be tomorrow???

So why are they added now and not right away, if there was no interest anyways in bringing players from NA to play the last important games against France and Slovakia 19' & 20'th.

I'm mystified....
 
If they weren't gonna bring Ehlers I don't think they'd consider Björkstrand either. I think the other spot was for Regin.

There's still room for Eller. As far as I can count this puts us at 21 skaters. You're allowed 22.

What really surprises me is that they don't hold a spot for another D-man. If Markus' fever doesn't get better the next couple of days you'd might wanna bring in a another D-man. Now it's a choice between an open spot for Eller or a D-man. Why not just keep Anders H. Poulsen out of the equation. Unless Karlsson plans on giving some rest to some of the top 12 forwards? That would be weird. They need more time together, not less.
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
Yeah disappointing Ehlers wasn't on the team, would have been great to get a look at him against some NHL competition.
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And a great chance for him to show the scouts/clubs what he is able to against men at this time, but our coach would have none of it. We are also puzzled, but lets not start that discussion again. :)
 
This is getting ugly. Our goaltending sucks when Andersen is not between the pipes. Lifting the pad....are you joking me Galbraith?
 
Morten Green is the biggest class act ever. Great interview

"Never loved a team like I love the national team."
 
admire said:
What a great performance. Top 4 might be within reach now...
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It's really gonna be decided these last games.

Norway meets Canada. Baring any shocks(which will happen now cause... JINX!) that's 0 points for Norway - tournament over!

France has the Czech where we have the Slovaks. No matter the result of France-Denmark the Czech will need the win - any shape or form. Let's hope they see it through and take it regular style.

That leaves Denmark with the task of winning(OT, SO no matter what) the last two games.

It's not gonna happen but it's as close before the last two games as you'd hope before the tournaments began.

On the flip side we're a German point against the US or some crushing defeats + a Swedish or Finish accident from going to the B-group.

I think it's a indication of this forms success that after 5-6 games played EVERY team has something to play for except the Russians. Some more, some less, but only Russia is dead set on anything.
 
Team isn't good enough this year, but some of the doom and gloom around here is a little puzzling! We're still a (very) small hockey nation and ranked what, 13th? Dissapointing that we gift away goals the way we do: poor play in our own zone and giveaways, and the fact that Bødker/Hansen/Jensen hasn't been able to dictate play and create offence, as Regin did in Germany (having a one-two punch with him and Nielsen helped obviously!) - BUT this is a progress of changing the way the team approach the games.

The goal is the olympics! Has been for years: that's why the association gets the funding it does. One way of getting into the olympics is being top 9 on the ranking, but that's not doable, let's be real! Would require QF pretty much every year to crawl that far up the rankings. So the way to do it is winning a qualifier, and seeing how poorly that went last time around the team is trying to change so they can dominate and create offence against teams ranked similar and lower to us (such as France, which proves they got a long way to go still, but that seems to be the idea). So far we've got one good Euro line: Storm-Jensen-Bjorkstrand and we're in big trouble on defence and in goal! But we might see Regin and Larsen heading back across the pond, the defensemen is relatively young, and if Simon Nielsen for whatever reason is preferred in goal (haven't figured out why yet :help::laugh:), hopefully he finds a club were he actually plays! :laugh:
 
Some of you guys need to calm a little bit down. I wasnt to optimistic either in the begining of the tournament, but the little I saw from yesterdays match against France and the other matches convinces me that Karlsson at least deserves another year to work with the players. I have seen some better hockey performed in this years WC than ever before. Yes it is great to win against Slovakia 6-0 or against Finland 4-1, but do you guys actually remember those games? We were beyond lucky in those matches where we scored on practically everything we touched. At the same time we always had a goalie that made the effort of his life in every match (Hirsch/Andersen/Galbraith all goes in that category) and finally half the goals where made by individuals, not the team.

We can all agree that our defense and goalie situation this year are not optimal and I would also have wished for a couple of centers from NA, but that were unfortunately not possible.

If we are to move up the world ranking in the long run and shrive for better seeding in qualifying for the Olympics we desperately needed a new system and way of play. From what I have seen so far, Karlssons new system is not working all the time and we need more time to fully see the effects of it when the players are more accostumed to it. Like it or not, no system is going to be implemented in a year with very few training camps. Instead of *****ing about what this year could have been, lets instead look forward a few years.

With the new talents we have coming and players like Mikkel Bødker and Niklas Jensen I cant see us playing a style of hockey where we dig ourselves down in our defense and hope for individuals to win the matches for us. I could understand if we had a strong defense that we could play that way, but I think we can all agree that is not our strength at this time nor will it be a strength of ours in the coming years. Therefore we desperately need the system that Karlsson is trying to make us play. And if that takes a few years to fully implement, then that is a price I think we need to pay.
 
I see your points bagge, i just find it unacceptable to loose 6-2 to France and loose to Norway for the gazilionth time, especially a year were we should have beaten both. Imo we fluke more often than not, and out of all the lesser a group teams and perennial a group teams, we are the ones who have least identity least tenacity. Im worried because it happens under all the coacheS we have. Its ok to loose 6-1 to canada, im fine with that. Butnot this and it happens far to often imo..

Bellemare said it perfectly, we just wanted it more than Denmark, which I think is often the case..

We show up for relegation games thats it, now we dont even have those games anymore.
It might be the non Dane in me, but it is never ok to settle especially not for 11 years in a row. The French dont, the norwegians dont, the Latvians dont. We need to want more! I dont know what it is, but the team just looks like it has no iq. The french did the same moves in the o zone over and over again, yet we kept falling into it like against Norway, like against Slovenia etc. We are easy to trap, easy to frustrate.
 
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Bagge said:
Some of you guys need to calm a little bit down. I wasnt to optimistic either in the begining of the tournament, but the little I saw from yesterdays match against France and the other matches convinces me that Karlsson at least deserves another year to work with the players. I have seen some better hockey performed in this years WC than ever before. Yes it is great to win against Slovakia 6-0 or against Finland 4-1, but do you guys actually remember those games? We were beyond lucky in those matches where we scored on practically everything we touched. At the same time we always had a goalie that made the effort of his life in every match (Hirsch/Andersen/Galbraith all goes in that category) and finally half the goals where made by individuals, not the team.

We can all agree that our defense and goalie situation this year are not optimal and I would also have wished for a couple of centers from NA, but that were unfortunately not possible.

If we are to move up the world ranking in the long run and shrive for better seeding in qualifying for the Olympics we desperately needed a new system and way of play. From what I have seen so far, Karlssons new system is not working all the time and we need more time to fully see the effects of it when the players are more accostumed to it. Like it or not, no system is going to be implemented in a year with very few training camps. Instead of *****ing about what this year could have been, lets instead look forward a few years.

With the new talents we have coming and players like Mikkel Bødker and Niklas Jensen I cant see us playing a style of hockey where we dig ourselves down in our defense and hope for individuals to win the matches for us. I could understand if we had a strong defense that we could play that way, but I think we can all agree that is not our strength at this time nor will it be a strength of ours in the coming years. Therefore we desperately need the system that Karlsson is trying to make us play. And if that takes a few years to fully implement, then that is a price I think we need to pay.
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I partly agree with you Bagge. For one I was just happy to avoid relegation and never thought a QF was even possible (then when it suddenly was you are disappointed by the collapse against Norway and France that could be avoided with more cool heads on our teams).
The system has been working OK on the offense, but when you realistically look at what material we have for defense we had almost the optimum available this year. If the optimum danish defense plays like this then it won't matter if it becomes somewhat better forward-wise.
So I agree that Karlsson should have one more year to try it out, but in all fairness to him I think this system would work much better if we had our best centers available.

Norway and France play tight with what they got and then roll out a good offensive line, that can win matches for them.
France: Bellemare - Roussel - S. da Costa
Norway: Bastiansen + Olimb *2 (or with Thoresen, Zuccarello when they are available).

Denmark could play a tight defensive system and then have 1 line rolling the attack. They problem for the Danish team is that we never really have found a line that have this super chemistry.
 
ImGoingNucks said:
I see your points bagge, i just find it unacceptable to loose 6-2 to France and loose to Norway for the gazilionth time, especially a year were we should have beaten both. Imo we fluke more often than not, and out of all the lesser a group teams and perennial a group teams, we are the ones who have least identity least tenacity. Im worried because it happens under all the coacheS we have. Its ok to loose 6-1 to canada, im fine with that. Butnot this and it happens far to often imo..

Bellemare said it perfectly, we just wanted it more than Denmark, which I think is often the case..

We show up for relegation games thats it, now we dont even have those games anymore.
It might be the non Dane in me, but it is never ok to settle especially not for 11 years in a row. The French dont, the norwegians dont, the Latvians dont. We need to want more! I dont know what it is, but the team just looks like it has no iq. The french did the same moves in the o zone over and over again, yet we kept falling into it like against Norway, like against Slovenia etc. We are easy to trap, easy to frustrate.
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I agree that the team lacks tenacity, especially when its going tight. It's quite typical of Danish psychology so it needs to be learned through team identity.
As you say France and Norway wanted it more and you could see it in both games.
Denmark have 5 players with NHL experience compared to Norway with Holøs and France with Roussel, S. da Costa and veteran Huet. We don't have many players on the roster from the Danish league, while France and Norway have many from theirs.
So we didn't lose because of lack of quality. On paper we should be expected to win. So it's mind and/or system that stands in the way....
 
With the announced team, I was quite optimistic about the tournament.

But after the first game vs. Norway it felt quite the opposite. Then again it is a new coach, new system, new linemates...things you need to get used to.

Despite losing most games, I've seen us play up against the bigger nations (which should be possible). Good games vs. Czech and Slovakia. And almost good games vs. other nations, but with terrible 3rd periods.

If players played more simple (dump the puck in) instead of trying to much, thinks would be better. If we had a better powerplay, thinks would be better too. If we had Andersen, Eller, Nielsen and Regin thinks would be better.

Overall I'm not that disappointed.
 
I try to see the good things. We did really under perform, and the defense is a massive worry.

Emil kristensen showed promise but thats something. Karlsson should be given st least one more year. There were a few highlights but I need to get a little distance to give a honest breakdown
 
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