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elchud said:
For many months I enjoyed trolling that Johnson must be traded because he is a high profile junior and he is headed to CalPete land. I think that is the context we are operating under. Without CalPete context, there isn't a reason to think that he wouldn't sign.
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Did plenty of others do that too? Fox, Vesey, Butcher, people like that?
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
Did plenty of others do that too? Fox, Vesey, Butcher, people like that?
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Fox didn't go UFA, he refused to sign with Carolina (and there is some talk that he indicated to the Flames he would refuse to sign there).

Most of the time, collegiate players who go to graduation and then get free agent status are NOT first round picks. Hell, they're rarely picked in the top three rounds. The handwringing is just so f***ing tired.
 
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The Blunder Years said:
Adam Fox 2018-2019?

edit. Think he was 21 that year
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Yea fox when he was 18 was 1.14, .966 at 19, and 1.4 at 20. Not sure who it was I didn't see anyone over 1.2 under the age of 20 since 99-2000 which is as far back as the site I checked went.
 
Pastujov with 25 points in 14 games for guelph. Closest teammate has 14. I wish we'd had pulled the trigger on him at 52.
 
Chainshot said:
Curious who had the best... ?
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BC's Mike Mottau via: Elite Prospects - NCAA Stats All-time season

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Chainshot said:
Fox didn't go UFA, he refused to sign with Carolina (and there is some talk that he indicated to the Flames he would refuse to sign there).

Most of the time, collegiate players who go to graduation and then get free agent status are NOT first round picks. Hell, they're rarely picked in the top three rounds. The handwringing is just so f***ing tired.
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Yeah, guys who can go pro earlier don't delay that just to pick their team. Just look at college UFAs. They're all either guys whose rights weren't held by an NHL team or who hadn't done enough to be offered an ELC prior to reaching that point.
 
JesterCheese said:
Just because he scored 25 points?
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Not exactly, I was hoping we might get him before the draft.

He has produced at all levels so far, u17, u18, USHL, now OHL. Mid second rounders are a crap-shoot, and we had already taken 3 picks in this draft. I would have liked to see a swing for the fences on production. Could be another Nic Petan, but could also be Brayden Point or Alex Debrincat.

And as Navy says, most did have him higher. Based on a average lists from Bob McKenzie’s rankings, Future Considerations, EliteProspects, SportsNet, The Hockey News, The Hockey Writers, McKeen, and Dobber Prospects he ranked 33rd.
 
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jc17 said:
Not exactly, I was hoping we might get him before the draft.

He has produced at all levels so far, u17, u18, USHL, now OHL. Mid second rounders are a crap-shoot, and we had already taken 3 picks in this draft. I would have liked to see a swing for the fences on production. Could be another Nic Petan, but could also be Brayden Point or Alex Debrincat.

And as Navy says, most did have him higher. Based on a average lists from Bob McKenzie’s rankings, Future Considerations, EliteProspects, SportsNet, The Hockey News, The Hockey Writers, McKeen, and Dobber Prospects he ranked 33rd.
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Well, I was also surprised that he fell so far, but I don't understand what is the reason? I would not mind if they take Pastujov, although I'm fine with Kisakov. Adams take Kisakov, high risk, high reward, just like with Pastujov, he could be Petan or maybe Johnny Gaudreau in the future, I am not against such a risk, especially before that Adams made a safe choice in Poltapov, which for sure will be at least a good third line player.
 
Chainshot said:
Fox didn't go UFA, he refused to sign with Carolina (and there is some talk that he indicated to the Flames he would refuse to sign there).

Most of the time, collegiate players who go to graduation and then get free agent status are NOT first round picks. Hell, they're rarely picked in the top three rounds. The handwringing is just so f***ing tired.
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Most first round picks don't play four years of college hockey either.
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
Most first round picks don't play four years of college hockey either.
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It's weird that ever since Blake Wheeler did it Rangers and Leafs fans just immediately say Buffalo, Calgary and a handful of other teams college picks will do it. The Arizona GM even said they were partially to blame for what happened though. Outside of Wheeler, Fox and Vesey I can't really think of too many others that have gone that route, and Wheeler was the only 1st rounder.

It does look like there were a couple of players who also wouldn't sign with the team that drafted them from the OHL and then re-entered the draft. Jarret Stoll, Craig Anderson. But of the hundreds or even thousands of picks over the years, so few choosing that route makes it far far far less likely to happen than some of the board trolls would like people to believe.
 
I don't agree with the hand-wringing over getting upper-classmen prospects to sign, but also lets not forget that the last time the Sabres found themselves in that position, Petersen left for free agency and the LAK.
 
FunkSoljah said:
It's weird that ever since Blake Wheeler did it Rangers and Leafs fans just immediately say Buffalo, Calgary and a handful of other teams college picks will do it. The Arizona GM even said they were partially to blame for what happened though. Outside of Wheeler, Fox and Vesey I can't really think of too many others that have gone that route, and Wheeler was the only 1st rounder.

It does look like there were a couple of players who also wouldn't sign with the team that drafted them from the OHL and then re-entered the draft. Jarret Stoll, Craig Anderson. But of the hundreds or even thousands of picks over the years, so few choosing that route makes it far far far less likely to happen than some of the board trolls would like people to believe.
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Fox didn't go UFA. He signed where his rights were held.

Stoll was not offered a deal by Calgary, that's why he wound up being re-drafted.
 
Chainshot said:
Fox didn't go UFA. He signed where his rights were held.
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I thought the whole thing with Fox was that he was planning to sign an ELC with NY regardless which was why the Flames then the Canes ultimately traded his rights?
 
FunkSoljah said:
I thought the whole thing with Fox was that he was planning to sign an ELC with NY regardless which was why the Flames then the Canes ultimately traded his rights?
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Fox would have still had to play one more year in the NCAA before being able to be a UFA.

Yes, it was assumed he was going back to school and would sign with the NYR after that.
 
In half an hour, the Russian national team U 20 will play. Kisakov in the line-up. I don't know why Poltapov is not there, maybe there may be an injury or COVID. Also, anyone interested can follow the game of Miro and Yurov who will be drafted in 2022.
 
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