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The Tikkanen said:
Do you have to have your LVN to work at a SNF? Just wondering what the skilled part means exactly. These places seem like the worst place in the world to wind up in.
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No idea. I am guessin . Probably only a CNA. I think they have one nurse overseeing Doctors pop in and out and give direction.


They are cesspools. Hopefully this is the wakeup call to clean them up
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
It's just so wild to live in a world that survives on data...that is getting bad, dishonest, misreported, and misunderstood data even 6 months later. Humans suck. We should all be fighting this thing together and even with different paths we should at least have SOME consensus on recording and reporting.
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I think a big issue is that we are learning things very rapidly so data from even a month ago is no longer valid. Think about what we thought before about transmission possibilities. We now know that surface transmission is not likely, that outdoor transmission is not likely, a new study just found that asymptomatic transmission is not likely and now the WHO just modified the social distance length down to 1m from 2m.

Another example is the Columbia paper that discussed the amount of lives that possibly could have been saved had the US shut down earlier, they used estimated IFR data that was published on March 30th. We know now that the disease is significantly less deadly than we thought it was on March 30th. Now I'm sure that was the information available to them when they began working on the report, but the question becomes, do you publish your work with outdated data?
 
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Legionnaire said:
I just find it a big strange that a physician is giving economic advice.
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True. But that is exactly what electricians, car salesman, skilled machinists, and every other profession is doing here and on social media.

No one knows the answers. we will all find out in hindsight. Except Andys, he will still be focused on Kubalik
 
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LT Dan said:
True. But that is exactly what electricians, car salesman, skilled machinists, and every other profession is doing here and on social media.

No one knows the answers. we will all find out in hindsight. Except Andys, he will still be focused on Kubalik
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Kubalik is patient Zero. Think about it!
 
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So does it look like we will conclude the entire country was shut down, millions of jobs lost, etc. for something that was killing elderly who may or may not have died regardless?
 
The Tikkanen said:
So does it look like we will conclude the entire country was shut down, millions of jobs lost, etc. for something that was killing elderly who may or may not have died regardless?
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all i can say is i hope we learn from it

some good things were done in response and i appreciate the general effort people put forth to contributing to the slowing but there were some really bad decisions made from that point forward
 
LT Dan said:
True. But that is exactly what electricians, car salesman, skilled machinists, and every other profession is doing here and on social media.

No one knows the answers. we will all find out in hindsight. Except Andys, he will still be focused on Kubalik
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Andys will also appear on the 'Why I want... Alex Holtz' podcast but not before admitting that he's the only skater in the entire draft that he's 'scouted' on YouTube.

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KINGS17 said:
Kubalik is patient Zero. Think about it!
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The Tikkanen said:
So does it look like we will conclude the entire country was shut down, millions of jobs lost, etc. for something that was killing elderly who may or may not have died regardless?
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I don't think we can conclude anything at this point given the absolute crap data sets across the world in addition to how little we know about the virus even at this point. Opening up doesn't mean 'we're done,' it just means we're at the cross section where large groups of people are comfortable taking their chances having weighed risk vs. reward.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Thanks for the link proving my point. The rate of mortality for those under 45 years of age is next to nothing.
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Just out of curiosity, how many of the nearly 500 hockey players competing in the expanded playoffs would you be okay with dying?

Because even a (edit because math) 1% mortality rate would be 5 players.
 
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King'sPawn said:
Just out of curiosity, how many of the nearly 500 hockey players competing in the expanded playoffs would you be okay with dying?

Because even a .01% mortality rate would be 5 players.
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You act as if the people who were under 45 years of age, and were lost didn't have underlying health issues. The country is reopening before there is a vaccine. If every player is tested prior to entering their bubble, there is an extremely low probability of an infection occurring. This BS "gotcha game" of trying to equate someone who believes games can be played with proper precautions as being ok with someone becoming fatally ill, is just that BS.

Just out of curiosity, are you going to actually read and understand the data regarding the ages and underlying health conditions of those who are most at risk, or are you going to continue posting this emotional drivel base on your own overreaction.

@tny760 already fixed your math.
 
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that would be .05 players
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My bad, I did 500 * .01 and forgot that already assumed %age.

But okay. 1% mortality rate. 5 players. 0.2% is 1 player.

What's the threshold of acceptable deaths in the name of entertainment? And would you feel differently if a potential Kings player could die?
 
KINGS17 said:
You act as if the people who were under 45 years of age, and were lost didn't have underlying health issues. The country is reopening before there is a vaccine. If every player is tested prior to entering their bubble, there is an extremely low probability of an infection occurring. This BS "gotcha game" of trying to equate someone who believes games can be played with proper precautions as being ok with someone becoming fatally ill, is just that BS.
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The point is, young people with no co-morbidities ARE dying from a pandemic.

And these players could be sequestered in hotels, where masses of people can still gather. And staff will also be exposed.

The point is, yes, it's extremely low. But what's the threshold of acceptable loss for you, since you want the players to get back in action?

To answer your previous question, I think the season should be canceled and start next season on schedule, using this time between then and now to have proper protocols and a plan in place to minimize infection.

This insistence to restart a broken season just seems sloppy and is more prone to overlook potential exposure.
 
King'sPawn said:
The point is, young people with no co-morbidities ARE dying from a pandemic.

And these players could be sequestered in hotels, where masses of people can still gather. And staff will also be exposed.

The point is, yes, it's extremely low. But what's the threshold of acceptable loss for you, since you want the players to get back in action?

To answer your previous question, I think the season should be canceled and start next season on schedule, using this time between then and now to have proper protocols and a plan in place to minimize infection.

This insistence to restart a broken season just seems sloppy and is more prone to overlook potential exposure.
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The NHL has already said the players would be isolated in their hotel rooms. They would only be in contact with other players and team staff. They would go from the hotel to the rink and back again. Now, if the players don't like that idea, I don't blame them for not wanting to finish the season.

What is going to change between now and September? Nothing! What protocols could possibly produce zero risk? There are no protocols which are completely bullet proof.
 
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KINGS17 said:
The NHL has already said the players would be isolated in their hotel rooms. They would only be in contact with other players and team staff. They would go from the hotel to the rink and back again. Now, if the players don't like that idea, I don't blame them for not wanting to finish the season.

What is going to change between now and September? Nothing! What protocols could possibly produce zero risk? There are no protocols which are completely bullet proof.
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There are many problems still:
- relying on players accurately AND honestly administering self tests. More medical personnel should be prepared and provided
- players compete in the playoffs with broken bones and ruptured organs, as well as the flu. There should be an independent doctor/staff vetting players' availability to play
- counseling and other such services for players who may be away from their family/children for months or be struggling with conginement. Two months of playoffs is one thing, but potentially a whole season?
- what actions will be taken if a player does test positive? Does the series get postponed until everyone else tests negative? Or is it a forfeit? Or does the series play on and hope no other teammates contracted it while showering next to the infected player?

There is too much on the line in the name of winning a championship that people may be sloppy.

Scrap the season, start next season with more resources, more time to make sure the plan being utilized is the BEST plan (not necessarily bulletproof), and with early games being meaningless with preseason, it's far more likely all precautions are followed.
 
KINGS17 said:
The NHL has already said the players would be isolated in their hotel rooms. They would only be in contact with other players and team staff. They would go from the hotel to the rink and back again. Now, if the players don't like that idea, I don't blame them for not wanting to finish the season.

What is going to change between now and September? Nothing! What protocols could possibly produce zero risk? There are no protocols which are completely bullet proof.
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Man, my sense of time is whacked with this whole thing. I was like "What do you mean September, that's 6 months from now!" :facepalm:

But i mean, 3-4 months is an eternity with this thing, they COULD have an early vaccine done by then, they SHOULD have a better treatment course by then, we were ALWAYS buying time towards those outcomes--with respect to sports, they've already made travel exceptions for professional athletes so I can imagine they'll get some other privileges early as well (vaccine?).

Like I said earlier ultimately if the player's are good with it who am i to judge but i also agree with @King'sPawn that everything NHL-related--draft, playoff tourney, etc--is starting to feel sloppy and hacked together in such a way it will affect next season as well even more than it should.
 
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It's been less than 4 months that we've been living with this thing, but we won't know anything more in an additional 3 or 4 months about it? :loony: Also good to know that people aren't people anymore once they turn 45 or if they happen to have an underlying condition. f*** 'em , I guess eh "land of the free, home of the brave"?
 
Bandit said:
It's been less than 4 months that we've been living with this thing, but we won't know anything more in an additional 3 or 4 months about it? :loony: Also good to know that people aren't people anymore once they turn 45 or if they happen to have an underlying condition. f*** 'em , I guess eh "land of the free, home of the brave"?
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If you are responding to me, you just lied and misrepresented everything I have posted.
 
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