They are citing people, the punishment is $1,000 fine or 6 months in jail. Now, this obvioulsy will be thrown out because a governor can't make that call, but still.
Link? I literally haven't seen any of that, and I've seen plenty of authorities in attendance.
Regardless acting like its an eroding of civil liberties is not something I'm going to be able to agree with.
Your link didn't have any measurables at all, unless I missed it. It seemed to just say what can open at each phase. I kind of rememeber one, but for the life of me can not find what goals have to be hit for each phase.
It's more than wanting to go to the beach in April. It is about having leadership who is actually making appropriate decisions. He has taken it upon himself to be the ultimate and only authority for this state, so when he acts out of emotion it is a problem. How can I trust him to make any decisions?
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It doesn't have literal data measurements, unfortunately, and you'll remember that's one of my chief complaints. But I understand it has to provide some leeway. Like I said, though, it should make you pretty happy that the initial guidance of two falling weeks of cases is being disregarded now so we can move to P2.
Leadership all over the country is lacking and so the state governors ARE the ones in control of how their state responds and I"m not sure how that's controversial when there's reasoning being given for the big decisions. BUT--those 4 phases are based on federal criteria so it's not a unilateral Newsom "issue."
I don't think Sweden got kicked in the teeth, they have had a declining death rate since late April and likely will have herd immunity by June. They have an exit plan already, we still have no idea what to do.
Sweden vs. nearby countries:
https://ig.ft.com/autograph/graphics/coronavirus-map-europe.svg?frame=webM
10x more death than Finland/Norway.
yes, they have a plan and an exit plan, that's competent leadership at play at least. The also have phenomenal health care, unlike USA. We have an exit plan as well, as noted above. It's likely to be modified as external factors, like treatment and vaccines, enter the picture. But the actual point was that they decided against locking down and just faced this thing with some responsibility measures in place and showed that even in a good scenario--part of the world where it isn't as prevalent, neighboring countries super low in infections/deaths, responsible populace with great health care--that yes, they got relatively kicked in the teeth.
Also that's not considering my other examples at all.
People are not going to do any mitigation because we kept this lockdown going for longer than it needed to be going. Instead of a 2 week bend the curve with a restricted opening up like we were told, we locked people in their houses for 2 months. The dam is going to burst here soon and people are just going to do whatever they want because the governor overplayed his hand.
It was never two weeks. It was always
at least a month. And now we have a restricted opening.
Revisiting my data from the last page:
"OC had deaths double every two weeks in april, from 11 on 4/1 to 21 on 4/14 to 42 on 4/28. Nearly 4x increase.
Riverside county even worse, from 11 to 54 to 142. nearly 13x increase
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San Bernardino, 5 to 31 to 85. 17x increase.
San Diego, 11 to 67 to 133. 12x increase.
"LA, 66 to 360 to 1000. 15x increase."
All this says to me is we're opening at the worst time. We get the worst of both worlds, both the economic impact AND walking outside into the peak. It is what it is, but these idea that our civil liberties are being repressed is wrong and that it's for no reason is also factually wrong based on what we know. Now me personally? I'm with K17 that I
think the studies that show the infection rate is actually sky high are correct--but if I were in charge of public policy, there's no way I'm acting on that until I can get some concrete confirmation.
