General COVID-19 Talk #4 MOD Warning

[Statto]

This is an incredible point. High five yourself Fish

You know how we all had to watch car accidents and shit like Blood Flows Red on the Highway in Drivers Ed?

People should be forced to watch vids like this or someone dying of covid





This poor baby did nothing wrong and got this because someone wasn't vaccinated and is now dead

My brother suffered horrendously from whooping cough in 1978, he was just a few months old. I got it mildly and he used to literally go a shade blue. Grown men would cry watching him. So yep, people forget. They forget measles used to kill… whopping cough, tetanus, smallpox etc. I guess those things disappeared due to colloidal silver..

 

[Dave33]

This is Ivermectin under a different name you know.

Facebook link please, need that reputable source.

 

[Dooney]

Facebook link please, need that reputable source.

Merck, Ivermectin & Molnupiravir – A Tale of Two Pills

 

[Maynard]

Merck, Ivermectin & Molnupiravir – A Tale of Two Pills

A blog? Really?

Did you read the comments?

You should not be taking care of anyone.

 

[KINGS17]

My brother suffered horrendously from whooping cough in 1978, he was just a few months old. I got it mildly and he used to literally go a shade blue. Grown men would cry watching him. So yep, people forget. They forget measles used to kill… whopping cough, tetanus, smallpox etc. I guess those things disappeared due to colloidal silver..

If you are going to be having a new baby in the family, I recommend getting the whooping cough vaccine booster. Too many anti-vaxxers when it comes to kid's vaccines have allowed whooping cough to make a come back.

 

[Dooney]

A blog? Really?

Did you read the comments?

You should not be taking care of anyone.

It may be a blog but it the drugs do the same thing. That is fact.

I am at a Administrative/Director level in my career. I don’t work bedside. Understaffed, overworked and underpaid sadly. Hopefully that will change.

 

[Fishhead]

It may be a blog but it the drugs do the same thing. That is fact.

I am at a Administrative/Director level in my career. I don’t work bedside. Understaffed, overworked and underpaid sadly. Hopefully that will change.

They don't do the same thing, not even remotely. Saying that is fact shows a complete misunderstanding of the chemistry of the body.

Angiotensin inhibition deals with vasoconstriction/dilation, which obviously has effects on blood pressure. It has zero, zilch, and nada to do with replication, those are completely different enzymes in a completely different part of the cell.

Just because taking an advil and drinking whiskey can both remove pain from the body, it doesn't mean they do the same thing. The blogger obviously has no understanding of metabolic pathways and should be ignored on the subject. It's why the internet is such a dangerous place, it makes people think they are smarter than they are.

 

[Schrute farms]

Lol - was just thinking that last line of yours (fish) last night. The one thing the internet has done is made people think they are smarter and tougher than they really are.

 

[Schrute farms]

I guess I have lived in a different USA than some of these newbies claiming a lack of freedom in society and workplace. Lived 50 years and my whole life I have had to dress a certain way, hair a certain way, speak/opinions muted, act differently, etc in various places and/or to keep my job. Where have these people been living their whole life to now think it’s any different than its always been?!?!?

 

[Dave33]

Merck, Ivermectin & Molnupiravir – A Tale of Two Pills

The person you're citing admits they don't understand the studies they're discussing.

 

[Maynard]

It’s weird watching someone get stuffed into a locker over and over again and they’re like, “more please”.

 

[Token]

Ah, the gift that keeps on giving …

Case report of restless anal syndrome as restless legs syndrome variant after COVID-19 - PubMed

 

[Lt Dan]

Ah, the gift that keeps on giving …

Case report of restless anal syndrome as restless legs syndrome variant after COVID-19 - PubMed

Jesus...... man Covid going right for the jugular there




On to other things...



Trying to Make Sense of COVID's Mysterious 2-Month Cycle

This is an article about how these Covid waves seem to last about 2 months.

Nationally, the cases REALLY started to jump around 10/22 and peaked on 1/09 , so the US' 2 month cycle was closer to 2.5 but definitely something to keep an eye on .

My 100% uneducated wise ass guess will be that the later summer surge should push that start date back a little, but that could also extend the end date closer to Feb

In CA, our first jump last year was around Oct 28 and the decline really started on 1/13

I expect this winter wave to be later this year and I hope that it will much less severe with the vaccines and this summer wave hopefully letting a lot of steam out of the kettle

 

[SmytheKing]

This is Ivermectin under a different name you know.

Could you explain how an anti-viral that is designed to overwhelm the virus by creating a number of mutations that is so large is dies of its own confusion is the same an anti-viral the is designed to stop replication before it happens please?

I'm very curious about this.

 

[SmytheKing]

hep b and chicken pox aka shingles are not mandated vaccines. Nor is flu or pneumonia.

Covid is actually a money maker for big pharma and hospitals. Pharma stock has skyrocketed and they are going to follow the money. The hospitals are finally seeing cash flow is federal dollars for every covid related diagnosis they can come up with. It has helped mitigate the horrible contacts they have lost money on with CMS and insurance companies. This I know because it IS my business to know.

Chicken Pox vaccine has been mandated in CA since 2001 and in every state in the US since 2015. Varicella Vaccine Mandates for Child Care and K-12

Hep B since 2014. State Mandates on Immunization and Vaccine-Preventable Diseases: Hepatitis B

Please stop spreading disinformation.

 

[Jason Squirties]

It’s weird watching someone get stuffed into a locker over and over again and they’re like, “more please”.

 

[Master Yoda]

I'll speak for myself but I don't agree with a government mandate on vaccinations but fully support private enterprise to operate as they see fit. If you believe in private enterprise then you should agree with that position.

I just find it amusing that the people that feel like their civil liberties are being infringed have no problem walking through airport security and having their body scanned by an agency that's failed every audit that's been conducted.

The list of excuses have no merit. The only valid excuse is that you simply don't want it. That's fine. Don't ask for help when you've been offered it in advance. Live and die by your own devices. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

I have a pretty big problem with that. Are we not going to treat people who develop heart diseases because they eat all kinds of crap and don't take care of their bodies?
Are we going to not treat them because they can eat better and take care of their bodies better but didn't?
Should we not treat flu patients if they didn't get a flu shot?
Are we not going to treat people with self-inflicted wounds because they did it to themselves?
It's pretty crazy that people like Kimmel who's been a universal health care advocate are seriously suggesting hospitals don't treat patients with covid if they weren't vaccinated.

 

[SmytheKing]

I have a pretty big problem with that. Are we not going to treat people who develop heart diseases because they eat all kinds of crap and don't take care of their bodies?
Are we going to not treat them because they can eat better and take care of their bodies better but didn't?
Should we not treat flu patients if they didn't get a flu shot?
Are we not going to treat people with self-inflicted wounds because they did it to themselves?
It's pretty crazy that people like Kimmel who's been a universal health care advocate are seriously suggesting hospitals don't treat patients with covid if they weren't vaccinated.

I'm not sure you realize how privileged a position you (and others) have by suggesting you just have to "eat better" to be healthy. For starters, there are plenty of difficulties just GETTING quality healthy foods in poor neighborhoods. Not even talking about the cost of it. Just having it available. Then you factor in time and energy for people who are already low on both who might have a kid, might be going to nigh school, might not have reliable methods of transportation, and many other things.

The vaccine is free and access is not difficult. These aren't comparisons at all. They're excuses to justify poor behavior from people.

 

[Master Yoda]

I'm not sure you realize how privileged a position you (and others) have by suggesting you just have to "eat better" to be healthy. For starters, there are plenty of difficulties just GETTING quality healthy foods in poor neighborhoods. Not even talking about the cost of it. Just having it available. Then you factor in time and energy for people who are already low on both who might have a kid, might be going to nigh school, might not have reliable methods of transportation, and many other things.

The vaccine is free and access is not difficult. These aren't comparisons at all. They're excuses to justify poor behavior from people.

Right. And that's another reason for the absurdity of the whole thing. You can't universally apply this type of thing.
Even with the COVID vaccine, there are people who don't have easy access, can't take off time from work, can't afford to miss work because of side effects, etc.
When I got my vaccine shot, they asked me for my insurance information. I don't know if they still do that but free and easy isn't necessarily for all.

So are you going to only deny treatment to people who are "COVID deniers"? "Anti-vaxxers"?
Am I an anti-vaxxer if I don't think my child should get the COVID vaccine yet?
Are we going to deny these kids hospital treatment too?
Plenty of people, who are well off, don't "eat better" either (I think exercising is more important in maintaining good health though).
So, deny people with heart conditions only if they're rich? But are they rich because they worked their ass off night and day and have no time to exercise? If so, do they get an exemption?

 

[SmytheKing]

Right. And that's another reason for the absurdity of the whole thing. You can't universally apply this type of thing.
Even with the COVID vaccine, there are people who don't have easy access, can't take off time from work, can't afford to miss work because of side effects, etc.
When I got my vaccine shot, they asked me for my insurance information. I don't know if they still do that but free and easy isn't necessarily for all.

So are you going to only deny treatment to people who are "COVID deniers"? "Anti-vaxxers"?
Am I an anti-vaxxer if I don't think my child should get the COVID vaccine yet?
Are we going to deny these kids hospital treatment too?
Plenty of people, who are well off, don't "eat better" either (I think exercising is more important in maintaining good health though).
So, deny people with heart conditions only if they're rich? But are they rich because they worked their ass off night and day and have no time to exercise? If so, do they get an exemption?

The fact that you're equating a one or two time shot that you have been able to get for several months to having to shop on a daily/weekly basis so you don't starve to death is weird. I'm honestly confused how you see these as identical situations to compare.

And, to answer your questions, yes. They don't get treatment. Other than the kids because their parents are responsible for them and it's not their fault. Truth be told, if a parent is preventing their kids from getting medical treatment and safety, they shouldn't be a parent. Sorry. You're endangering the life of your kid. You do not know more than your doctor and if they're saying to get them vaccinated, you do it.

Everything else is noise and deflection because you (The general you maybe. The actual you possibly. I don't know.) don't support an administration currently in office. I prefer honesty and everyone rationally knows that's what all this denial is about. Taking very specific scenarios and using them as "what ifs" is not what anyone is talking about. 40% of this country isn't vaccinated yet and it's not because they're rich with heart conditions. Go get vaccinated. End this nonsense and let us get back to SOME level of normality. I'm not tired of wearing a mask because of my freedoms. I'm tired of doing it because jerks are being selfish and not doing what's right for everyone else.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I have a pretty big problem with that. Are we not going to treat people who develop heart diseases because they eat all kinds of crap and don't take care of their bodies?
Are we going to not treat them because they can eat better and take care of their bodies better but didn't?
Should we not treat flu patients if they didn't get a flu shot?
Are we not going to treat people with self-inflicted wounds because they did it to themselves?
It's pretty crazy that people like Kimmel who's been a universal health care advocate are seriously suggesting hospitals don't treat patients with covid if they weren't vaccinated.

Well, ironically, yes that's exactly what's been happening, just in reverse. It's called triage and it's happening in states where hospitals are overrun; cancer? heart disease? car accident? Doesn't matter, your bed is taken by a covid patient, good luck finding somewhere else to go.

Right. And that's another reason for the absurdity of the whole thing. You can't universally apply this type of thing.
Even with the COVID vaccine, there are people who don't have easy access, can't take off time from work, can't afford to miss work because of side effects, etc.
When I got my vaccine shot, they asked me for my insurance information. I don't know if they still do that but free and easy isn't necessarily for all.

So are you going to only deny treatment to people who are "COVID deniers"? "Anti-vaxxers"?
Am I an anti-vaxxer if I don't think my child should get the COVID vaccine yet?
Are we going to deny these kids hospital treatment too?
Plenty of people, who are well off, don't "eat better" either (I think exercising is more important in maintaining good health though).
So, deny people with heart conditions only if they're rich? But are they rich because they worked their ass off night and day and have no time to exercise? If so, do they get an exemption?

I get that too. When I was getting my shots there was a guy in front of me who didn't speak a lick of English and walked out of his appointment in frustration over insurance.

I probably wouldn't call that guy a denier, but he's also not going to go out and trash a testing tent in the middle of downtown NY.

I think you're working hard on creating a binary here when really it's much, much more nuanced than that, yet the overall issue is the same--hospitals (elsewhere) are overrun with those who aren't vaccinated generally because they don't trust the science but then they show up to be saved by that same science and box out those who have trusted it all along.

Luckily we're tapering down all over it seems but the concept you're describing exists in insurance and health care practice, there are some who are higher risk than others, and they pay more; and when the shit hits the fan, triage goes for those with a better chance of survival.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I have a pretty big problem with that. Are we not going to treat people who develop heart diseases because they eat all kinds of crap and don't take care of their bodies?
Are we going to not treat them because they can eat better and take care of their bodies better but didn't?
Should we not treat flu patients if they didn't get a flu shot?
Are we not going to treat people with self-inflicted wounds because they did it to themselves?
It's pretty crazy that people like Kimmel who's been a universal health care advocate are seriously suggesting hospitals don't treat patients with covid if they weren't vaccinated.

First off, I don't think that's going to happen and I'm not even sure I fully agree with the statement I made. I was simply making a point that others have stepped in and made for me.

I was lucky a few weeks ago when I had a somewhat minor health emergency. I have local hospital that doesn't have a COVID unit and was able to get into the emergency room immediately to get a catscan because the urgent care I went to thought for sure I had appendicitis. If I would've gone to any of the other nearby hospital I probably would've sat their for hours in pain. If it was during the height of COVID here I may have gotten incredibly ill before being able to be treated due the lack of bandwidth of hospitals who were filled with conspiracy theorists and people who simply just didn't heed caution and carried on as if nothing was going on. I will never understand why this ever became a political issue.

I do find it amusing that people reject "healthcare for all". Do people not realize that you're already paying for the heathcare of others? Someone without insurance using the ER as a their primary care doctor and never paying the bill. Where do you think that gets paid? Or like you suggested when people simply don't take preventative meausres for their health we all pay for it in higher health insurance premiums and overall healthcare costs. I'm getting off topic here so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Master Yoda]

The fact that you're equating a one or two time shot that you have been able to get for several months to having to shop on a daily/weekly basis so you don't starve to death is weird. I'm honestly confused how you see these as identical situations to compare.

And, to answer your questions, yes. They don't get treatment. Other than the kids because their parents are responsible for them and it's not their fault. Truth be told, if a parent is preventing their kids from getting medical treatment and safety, they shouldn't be a parent. Sorry. You're endangering the life of your kid. You do not know more than your doctor and if they're saying to get them vaccinated, you do it.

Everything else is noise and deflection because you (The general you maybe. The actual you possibly. I don't know.) don't support an administration currently in office. I prefer honesty and everyone rationally knows that's what all this denial is about. Taking very specific scenarios and using them as "what ifs" is not what anyone is talking about. 40% of this country isn't vaccinated yet and it's not because they're rich with heart conditions. Go get vaccinated. End this nonsense and let us get back to SOME level of normality. I'm not tired of wearing a mask because of my freedoms. I'm tired of doing it because jerks are being selfish and not doing what's right for everyone else.

I'm endangering the life of my kid? Talk about overreacting.
My kids are getting in-person learning. Are their lives in danger now?

A total of 478 kids under the age of 18 have died from COVID. (from 5 million confirmed cases)
During the 2019-2020 flu season, 434 kids under the age of 18 died from the flu. (from 12.5 million symptomatic illnesses)
Am I endangering the life of my kid if I don't get them flu shots?

I'm not arguing COVID isn't much worse than the flu, but for children, it's only about 2~2.5 times as more deadly (according to theses numbers), and that's over a longer period.
It's certainly not nothing, and I'd rather not have my kids be subjected to the increased risk, but then again my kids got flu shots last year for the first time in years.

There's not even a vaccine yet for kids their age so I guess it's hard to give a definite answer, but maybe eventually.
But a lot of experts have said from the beginning that in the long-run, COVID will become something like a seasonal flu.
I think people thinking COVID will disappear when vaccination rate hits close to 100% will be disappointed, unless they develop a vaccine that completely prevents infection.

 

[Master Yoda]

Well, ironically, yes that's exactly what's been happening, just in reverse. It's called triage and it's happening in states where hospitals are overrun; cancer? heart disease? car accident? Doesn't matter, your bed is taken by a covid patient, good luck finding somewhere else to go.





I get that too. When I was getting my shots there was a guy in front of me who didn't speak a lick of English and walked out of his appointment in frustration over insurance.

I probably wouldn't call that guy a denier, but he's also not going to go out and trash a testing tent in the middle of downtown NY.

I think you're working hard on creating a binary here when really it's much, much more nuanced than that, yet the overall issue is the same--hospitals (elsewhere) are overrun with those who aren't vaccinated generally because they don't trust the science but then they show up to be saved by that same science and box out those who have trusted it all along.

Luckily we're tapering down all over it seems but the concept you're describing exists in insurance and health care practice, there are some who are higher risk than others, and they pay more; and when the shit hits the fan, triage goes for those with a better chance of survival.

Saying "don't treat the unvaccinated" is creating a binary.
I'm just pointing out that even if people really wanted this to happen, in the real world it's going to be impossible to apply because it's not simply the "COVID is fake, Bill Gates is evil, so no vaccine for me" crowd that are hesitant about getting vaccinated.

 

[Master Yoda]

First off, I don't think that's going to happen and I'm not even sure I fully agree with the statement I made. I was simply making a point that others have stepped in and made for me.

I was lucky a few weeks ago when I had a somewhat minor health emergency. I have local hospital that doesn't have a COVID unit and was able to get into the emergency room immediately to get a catscan because the urgent care I went to thought for sure I had appendicitis. If I would've gone to any of the other nearby hospital I probably would've sat their for hours in pain. If it was during the height of COVID here I may have gotten incredibly ill before being able to be treated due the lack of bandwidth of hospitals who were filled with conspiracy theorists and people who simply just didn't heed caution and carried on as if nothing was going on. I will never understand why this ever became a political issue.

I do find it amusing that people reject "healthcare for all". Do people not realize that you're already paying for the heathcare of others? Someone without insurance using the ER as a their primary care doctor and never paying the bill. Where do you think that gets paid? Or like you suggested when people simply don't take preventative meausres for their health we all pay for it in higher health insurance premiums and overall healthcare costs. I'm getting off topic here so I'll leave it at that.

Its absolutely true that everybody basically shares healthcare costs in the current system, unless you don't have insurance or never go to the doctor/ER, etc.
Naturally, without the mandate now, insurance premiums have gone up the last few years, although I'm sure other factors also come into play.

Agree about thinking it's not really going to happen.
It was just odd for a guy like Kimmel who basically was saying healthcare is a human right, say that it isn't a human right. But then again, he also hosted the Man Show.