General COVID-19 Talk #4 MOD Warning

[Lt Dan]

Learn it, know it, live it.

 

[jfont]

So in other words, you either can't read or have a major learning disability.

Here is what I said


No way was Jenny Mc Carthy tied in to the main stream media.
Note this line and read it 30x please because you have an obvious comprehension problem

That is no way shape or form could mean the media to any sane person.

To every other poster here that meant the anti-vaxx crowd relying on falsified research about the MMR vaccine
Note:

Woof! That was a lot of effort there. And the follow ups... It seems like one of those crimes of passion where one stabs over and over. The hate is real here.

To that end, I do apologize for sounding combative. Also know that we have a lot more we agree on than disagree.

You are right in that we have anti-vaxxers already. Here is a gallup poll and article before the pandemic.

Fewer in U.S. Continue to See Vaccines as Important

They have influence according to the numbers. From 94% in 2001 to 84% in 2015/2019 that deem vaccines as important. My earlier assertion is due to the fact that I don't know anyone personally that is anti-vaxx before the pandemic. Before the pandemic 8 out of 10 Republicans think it is important to get vaccinated.

But look at what we have now. Nearly 4 out of 10 Republicans don't believe in the vaccine. Here is a Forbes article.

Here Are The Republicans Most Likely To Refuse The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds

Only 53% of non-news viewers accept the vaccine and 24% reject it (23% are hesitant), versus 63% of Fox viewers who accept the vaccine, and 18% each who reject it and are hesitant.

Why is it that a large part of the Republican party is rejecting the vaccine? Maybe from the news outlet they get? Have you seen Tucker's take on the vaccine?

I have more to say on this but have to get back to work.

 

[Lt Dan]

Woof! That was a lot of effort there. And the follow ups... It seems like one of those crimes of passion where one stabs over and over. The hate is real here.

To that end, I do apologize for sounding combative. Also know that we have a lot more we agree on than disagree.

You are right in that we have anti-vaxxers already. Here is a gallup poll and article before the pandemic.

Fewer in U.S. Continue to See Vaccines as Important

They have influence according to the numbers. From 94% in 2001 to 84% in 2015/2019 that deem vaccines as important. My earlier assertion is due to the fact that I don't know anyone personally that is anti-vaxx before the pandemic. Before the pandemic 8 out of 10 Republicans think it is important to get vaccinated.

But look at what we have now. Nearly 4 out of 10 Republicans don't believe in the vaccine. Here is a Forbes article.

Here Are The Republicans Most Likely To Refuse The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds

Only 53% of non-news viewers accept the vaccine and 24% reject it (23% are hesitant), versus 63% of Fox viewers who accept the vaccine, and 18% each who reject it and are hesitant.

Why is it that a large part of the Republican party is rejecting the vaccine? Maybe from the news outlet they get? Have you seen Tucker's take on the vaccine?

I have more to say on this but have to get back to work.

I'll address the bolded part.

I honestly don't know. My theory is the "rebellious American spirit" and not wanting to be told what to do. I am sure that part of it from the most partisan of that party is not wanting Biden to get any credit.

I have not seen Tucker's take. I have never liked that guy nor has he had any credibility with me. He is nothing more than a shit stirring talking head.

 

[Lt Dan]

Looking good other than the high case count

Hosp down from 432
ICU down from 132

Have a great weekend everyone!

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

The internet is the best and worst thing to happen to humanity at the same time.

The single most important skill that kids need to be taught in school is how to evaluate a source. Even though we are finding conflicting data, pretty much everyone here uses solid sources so kudos. It's not like that in many places though, and it's the most frustrating thing about the world today.

Not only evaluate a source but to understand how research is actually done. There are going to be gaps in studies and they often point to the need for or information before an answer is determined but we run with the nearest headline in this world. Too much of one vs the other in an attempt to outdo everyone. I like the fact that most of us can disagree here. We're all trying to find the best way out of this mess with the info we have.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Thinking about taking my 8-year old to a game in October -- do these Covid requirements (vaccinated or proof of negative test) apply to kids? Obviously they can't get vaccinated, so we would have to get them tested within 72 hours?

 

[ricardfromage]

Your Governor just activated the national guard and available ICU beds statewide have been in the single digits for the last few days. Maybe you don't live in a populated area, but your state is getting hammered. He also said this was a last-ditch effort to avoid crisis SOC (where doctors decide who lives and who dies).

Like COVID never happened? Largely unaffected? It's strange you would frame it that way when the situation is obviously dire. A governor doesn't call in the guard and beg people to get vaccinated when it's business as usual. Maybe we just have different standards of what is an acceptable loss of life, but to me, even one person dying with a treatable condition because they couldn't get a hospital bed due to unvaccinated people overwhelming the system is too many.

Not enforcing a vaccine mandate is the stupidest thing anyone could do in that situation. They have worked for years on different diseases, but no one stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed "FREEDOM" until a bunch of idiots made a virus political.

YOU just made your post political. I did not. If you traveled outside of Cali to different states you would see the disparity between your opinion and that of others. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. You are entitled to live your life your way and elect the politicians that YOU see fit to (or vote for them anyway) just like I am.

I live in a state that highly values its personal freedoms and you live in a state where the govt applies significantly more authority to your daily life. Your way gives you a sense of safety (I am basing that on what I have read here) and my state gives me a sense of Freedom based on the absence of govt interaction in most aspects of my life (with the exception of taxes firemen and the occasional policemen all of whom are exceptional).

They are two entirely different ways of living and seeing our world but this virus doesn't change the fact that we are all Americans and have certain inalienable rights as afforded us by the constitution of our country. Wether or not we chose to use them is up to each of us so if you and others want to adhere to what you are being told by the media certain aspects of your government and anecdotal experiences then that is your right. If others choose to do differently it is our right as well.

Nothing as I see it has truly been politicized with the exception of the fact that some people want to force other people to do what they believe is the only way to get past a virus and others want the freedom to do what they believe is best for themselves (and their minors etc). They don't have to be mutually exclusive points of view but some want them to be.

 

[redcard]

I walk around in the winter without a jacket because I value my freedom to wear what I want. Not like the people up North who value their safety and let the weather dictate their lives.

But like, everyone has their own opinions and such.

 

[Lt Dan]

Some glimmer of hope for potentially having the worst of Delta behind us. Hopefully this (sans the ICU numbers) is the beginning of a good trend.

And he was right.....

I follow this map pretty closely. I check it about 3x a week. it is at U.S. COVID Risk & Vaccine Tracker

It was completely yellow with a few green states in June and progressively went orange and then red and the dark red was at the peak last week with most of the South minus the Carolinas going red.
The tide has (hopefully) turned bitches!
The South is largely back to normal red and our favorite and most populous state is back to orange.

This is going to be a very interesting week

 

[KINGS17]

And he was right.....

I follow this map pretty closely. I check it about 3x a week. it is at U.S. COVID Risk & Vaccine Tracker

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It was completely yellow with a few green states in June and progressively went orange and then red and the dark red was at the peak last week with most of the South minus the Carolinas going red.
The tide has (hopefully) turned bitches!
The South is largely back to normal red and our favorite and most populous state is back to orange.

This is going to be a very interesting week

What do you mean? Texas isn't orange. Loved seeing the crowds at those NFL and college football games over the weekend.

 

[Lt Dan]

527.67 new cases per day, which means....

But a nice drop in hosp and ICU over the weekend

Hosp: 426---->406
ICU 130----> 119

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

We don't have mask mandates because we don't trust or listen to the Gov any more than we have to and we also don't allow them to run our lives the way that Cali seems to do now. When Covid first started all the major franchise/box stores tried to impose mask mandates and our state politicians got a shit ton of pressure from the people so they ash canned the idea. Our Governor this week said that Mask Mandates are unconstitutional and banned them entirely for our state. He and the rest of our local health/politicians have said that they will not enforce vaccine mandates or vaccine passport legislation under any circumstance. Paper lions maybe but if you lived up here you would see that it is like Covid has never happened. Sure we are more spread out in many parts of the state but for population density Boise is over run and packed crowded. It is like Long Beach as I see it only more densely populated. We take no action and are largely unaffected by this "crisis". It isn't just us, there are other states and countries that have taken the same approach and are experiencing the same results.

That said if Cali feels the need to do all of the different lock downs mandates etc that it is doing then good for them/you and I hope everyone is safe or gets better as quickly as possible. Both of my brothers and one of my nieces have had Covid and they live in Santa Barbara and San Diego respectively. I know that Cali people love freedom, it is where I spent more than 40 years of my life and where I developed my love of freedom and country. I didn't realize how important those positions were to me until I left the state behind. Always a Kings fan but Cali is just too hard to deal with for me.

Actually, this original post was pretty political if you want to point fingers. Statements like We don't trust the gov. We don't allow them to run our lives by nature point to the fact that people are going to do what they want, their neighbors or others around them are not affected. Contrasting each state and their policies towards it is political in nature. But this is not necessarily politicizing the situation but just recognizing that both politics and health care are going to be intertwined by nature and that calling it politicizing is more of a cop out because the prior administration did not have a plan and largely lost the election cause of it and used "politicizing" it as a scapegoat because they did not have an answer for it. Many people jumped on that bandwagon.

If you are going further to say that the gov has no business in any matter related to health, I'd be interested to hear that argument since they pay for it and collect money through our taxes and have offices set up to manage day to day items like Public Health, water quality, fires, infectious disease, a county office to monitor spread of communicable diseases like TB which all need to be reported by local hospitals for tracing etc. The prior administration had a task force dedicated to pandemic response until it was dismantled and here we are. I get that it is imp to be watchful of overstep but the cost now is expecting other states to step in because hospitals are over run because of people insisting on their freedom and then cry for help because they have no capacity to manage their patient load, while now multiple news stories of patients not getting treatment because Covid related illness is taking both hospital beds and priority. These states have laws in place to send patients back and forth should it be required because it is health care policy designed by politicians, making it poltical. At the same time, dumping their cases off onto other states that are largely vaccinated to manage the problem because they actually do have both a higher immunization rate and the capacity to do it because their population did in fact listen. I just don't understand how this is freedom when it just moves the cost of it onto another state to absorb and then also calling in Federal support which is the same entity it refused to listen to in the first place. I'm not sure what freedom fighters are fighting for when they are using up more gov. resources than everyone else at this point. They're really mooching more off the system than anyone else across state lines and federal resources when it was preventable to begin with.

I would just like to know why this is an acceptable way of running a state, because it is what the people want? At the end of the day, the market is going to correct it and make them pay more for insurance and inability to find work for those unvaccinated. I'm just not understanding why this is supposed to be acceptable to the states that did their part. This is not just directed at you personally or your state, but more of a general "why is this happening?" sort of thing and why should the rest of the states absorb it. I think we need to hit the reset button somewhere but where to start......

 

[Choralone]

I've been subscribed to the Herman Cain Award sub forum on Reddit for schadenfreude. It captures Facebook or Instagram posts for a condensed little timeline (info is mostly anonymized, though). Recipients follow this sequence:

1. Post memes making fun of people wearing masks, posit anti-vax conspiracy theories, etc.
2. End up in the hospital with COVID.
3. Ask for Prayer Warriors to intercede.
4. Get vented.
5. Die.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

 

[Bandit]

I've been subscribed to the Herman Cain Award sub forum on Reddit for schadenfreude. It captures Facebook or Instagram posts for a condensed little timeline (info is mostly anonymized, though). Recipients follow this sequence:

1. Post memes making fun of people wearing masks, posit anti-vax conspiracy theories, etc.
2. End up in the hospital with COVID.
3. Ask for Prayer Warriors to intercede.
4. Get vented.
5. Die.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

I have no sympathy for these people at this point but damn, that’s pretty grim dude.

Also it’s easy to be smug about your ‘freedom’ or whatever when your 5 closest neighbors are goats. For those of us living in civilization, particularly major metropolitan hubs that are destinations for worldwide travelers, the situation is slightly different.

 

[Lt Dan]

Tuesday is the low day, but I'll take a number under 500 and smile
Big drop in hosp today 406---->372
Also a nice drop in ICU 119---->105

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I've been subscribed to the Herman Cain Award sub forum on Reddit for schadenfreude. It captures Facebook or Instagram posts for a condensed little timeline (info is mostly anonymized, though). Recipients follow this sequence:

1. Post memes making fun of people wearing masks, posit anti-vax conspiracy theories, etc.
2. End up in the hospital with COVID.
3. Ask for Prayer Warriors to intercede.
4. Get vented.
5. Die.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

Holy smokes! That is pretty morbid and it's sad but it's admittedly entertaining at the sametime.

 

[Bandit]

Holy smokes! That is pretty morbid and it's sad but it's admittedly entertaining at the sametime.

THis comment on "Why is it called the Herman Cain Award?" is gold:

I have no idea why Twitter didn't simply close the account the day he passed instead of letting those ghouls speak for the dead like some kind of political version of Weekend at Bernie's.

My Company just announced that when we return to office in January that everyone must be vaccinated unless there's a medical or religious exception. Told people they will be terminated if they don't have an exception and choose not to get it. @bland prophesying in the other thread...

 

[KINGS17]

I have to admit Fauci has me concerned about super spreader events (aka college football games).

I will be in Provo on Saturday night enjoying my fully vaccinated life.

 

[Lt Dan]

Under 500 cases
Hosp down from 372 yesterday
ICU down from 105

It's a good day

 

[Rusty Batch]

Biden Covid team sees vaccine efficacy waning in unpublished data from Israel

Interesting article on Vaccine efficacy, booster shots, and just how much we currently rely on data out of Israel.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Biden Covid team sees vaccine efficacy waning in unpublished data from Israel

Interesting article on Vaccine efficacy, booster shots, and just how much we currently rely on data out of Israel.

Kind of a bummer but unsurprising and consistent with what we all predicted.

 

[KINGS17]

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article253851373.html

Duke University has set new restrictions to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 as cases are rising on the Durham campus despite its vaccine mandate.

In the first week of classes, 304 undergraduates, 45 graduate students and 15 employees tested positive for COVID-19. All but eight of these individuals were vaccinated, and the vast majority of them are asymptomatic. A small number have minor, cold- and flu-like symptoms, and none have been hospitalized, according to the university.

Duke administrators announced the new guidelines in an email saying “this surge is placing significant stress on the people, systems and facilities that are dedicated to protecting our health, safety and the ability of Duke to fulfill its educational mission, particularly our isolation space for on-campus students who test positive.”

Looks like the vaccine is doing its job. If you get vaccinated, it keeps you safe. More study is required on booster shots for the most vulnerable and how fast their protection is waning.

 

[Lt Dan]

Kind of a bummer but unsurprising and consistent with what we all predicted.

Yes, Novel viruses are a motherf***er.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[Bandit]

I can’t decide what’s more absurd about the Nicki Minaj situation. That people might actually listen to her about medical advice, or the idea that a girl left a guy she was going to marry right before the wedding because his balls got bigger.