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Bandit said:
I can’t decide what’s more absurd about the Nicki Minaj situation. That people might actually listen to her about medical advice, or the idea that a girl left a guy she was going to marry right before the wedding because his balls got bigger.
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I don't know man, we all saw this clip when we saw Johnny Dangerously

 
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Bandit said:
Settle down ya fargin’ ice hole. ;) I’m just saying if your fiancé leaves you over that shit, you dodged a bullet.
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They left because that dude was likely cheating on her. His symptoms are in line with several STD symptoms.

On topic though, I know there's debate about booster shots but...is there a downside to them or is this just "if we suggest booster shots the people who aren't getting the vaccine will use it as ammunition" politics? Or, is it that access is still a problem and giving boosters slows getting others vaccinated? I'm unclear on it.
 
SmytheKing said:
On topic though, I know there's debate about booster shots but...is there a downside to them or is this just "if we suggest booster shots the people who aren't getting the vaccine will use it as ammunition" politics? Or, is it that access is still a problem and giving boosters slows getting others vaccinated? I'm unclear on it.
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I believe it is the first one.

From my understanding, there is now slow in getting anyone vaccinated at this point. I know someone that waited to get vaccinated until one of the mRNA vaccines was FDA approved and they literally got a same day appointment at a Rite Aid.

From my piddly understanding....The anti-vaxxer's argument against the booster is
(A) "if the vaccine works they why do people need another one. It is just Pfizer wanting to line their pockets"
(B) Why do the vaxxed need more protection if the vaccine works (they are missing that we are protecting the hospital system itself from a repeat of this past winter here and what is currently going on in a few states where elective surgeries are all cancelled and people with normal emergencies can't get care
 
Bandit said:
Yeah pretty sure here in the US you can get a vaccine at 7-11 at this point. Supply and access isn't the problem.
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I'm not just talking about the US. We have almost a stranglehold on supply (well we did at a certain point) and a lot of the world still needs their first shots.
 
SmytheKing said:
I'm not just talking about the US. We have almost a stranglehold on supply (well we did at a certain point) and a lot of the world still needs their first shots.
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Yes, but we are the United States and the United States is all about the United States and f*** everyone else. We're kinda the king douche of the global community, in case you hadn't noticed. ;)

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Elaborating further on the prior discussion from Idaho, they are now in crisis management and are also pulling from Washington hospitals as predicted. This is what happens when the state gov follow populous opinion instead of facts and science. The liberty argument is now pulling limited resources by exercising their rights, and the cost is taking the place of necessary life saving procedures. This is the cost of unchecked liberty where ones actions entirely affects others around them. It doesn't get any more straight forward. Interestlingy enough, WA and Idaho do not have an agreement btw those two states while many in the midwest do, they're just doing it cause it's the right thing to do. But their liberty is now causing the collapse of the health care system that is not set up to manage such an influx and it was entirely preventable because people are of the opinion that they don't want to listen to or don't trust the gov.

"Now patients from Idaho are trickling into Washington’s already overwhelmed health care system.
“The impact that Idaho is having on the eastern part of our state is having some ripple effect over into western Washington,” said Taya Briley, the executive vice president of the Washington State Hospital Association.
Washington has an agreement between hospitals to work together to shift patients around. They don’t have the same arrangement with hospitals out of state, but doctors feel called to do what they can.
In northern Idaho, things are so bad that they’ve declared “crisis standards of care.” They’ll need to decide which patients get lifesaving care and which patients do not."

WA Hospitals stretch to care for Idaho COVID-19 patients

Idaho's - CNN

the last article was really interesting.
Leaders of Idaho’s most populous county were deluged with constituent emails last month as they prepared to choose the newest member of a once-obscure regional health board. A former president of the American Academy of Family Physicians who served on the board for 15 years had just been let go over his support for pandemic restrictions.
To many, the clear choice for the replacement during a pandemic was an epidemiologist endorsed by the Idaho Medical Association. But hundreds wrote in for another doctor — backed by the Ada County Republican Party — who has called coronavirus vaccines “fake.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/16/idaho-covid-gop-ryan-cole/


 
Papa Mocha 15 said:
Elaborating further on the prior discussion from Idaho, they are now in crisis management and are also pulling from Washington hospitals as predicted. This is what happens when the state gov follow populous opinion instead of facts and science. The liberty argument is now pulling limited resources by exercising their rights, and the cost is taking the place of necessary life saving procedures. This is the cost of unchecked liberty where ones actions entirely affects others around them. It doesn't get any more straight forward. Interestlingy enough, WA and Idaho do not have an agreement btw those two states while many in the midwest do, they're just doing it cause it's the right thing to do. But their liberty is now causing the collapse of the health care system that is not set up to manage such an influx and it was entirely preventable because people are of the opinion that they don't want to listen to or don't trust the gov.

"Now patients from Idaho are trickling into Washington’s already overwhelmed health care system.
“The impact that Idaho is having on the eastern part of our state is having some ripple effect over into western Washington,” said Taya Briley, the executive vice president of the Washington State Hospital Association.
Washington has an agreement between hospitals to work together to shift patients around. They don’t have the same arrangement with hospitals out of state, but doctors feel called to do what they can.
In northern Idaho, things are so bad that they’ve declared “crisis standards of care.” They’ll need to decide which patients get lifesaving care and which patients do not."

WA Hospitals stretch to care for Idaho COVID-19 patients

Idaho's - CNN

the last article was really interesting.
Leaders of Idaho’s most populous county were deluged with constituent emails last month as they prepared to choose the newest member of a once-obscure regional health board. A former president of the American Academy of Family Physicians who served on the board for 15 years had just been let go over his support for pandemic restrictions.
To many, the clear choice for the replacement during a pandemic was an epidemiologist endorsed by the Idaho Medical Association. But hundreds wrote in for another doctor — backed by the Ada County Republican Party — who has called coronavirus vaccines “fake.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/16/idaho-covid-gop-ryan-cole/
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No need to worry about Idaho. They do freedom much better than we do. It’s just a cut above. You wouldn’t get it.
 
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Maynard said:
No need to worry about Idaho. They do freedom much better than we do. It’s just a cut above. You wouldn’t get it.
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I know right? I mean preventing their own citizens from getting access to health care and over running the hospital system because people wouldn't wear a mask or get a vaccine and then mooching off neighboring states in a form of expected welfare along with the rest of the Southern states. It's an interesting sort of freedom. But everyone's doing their best.

I took care of someone the other night who looked me dead in the eye and told me, "I'll do anything not to get intubated, just tell me what I need to do, I have kids". It's weird man, but you're right, I wouldn't get how we can knowingly do this to each other and be so self involved to the point where we avoid a collective responsibility to our fellow humans at the cost of taking people from their families. Strange times. And it's hard to watch and explain it to the people they are leaving behind.

A guy called me a hero the other day, I wanted to throw up in my mouth. Hero's win, we're not winning right now, not even close. We're just getting our collective asses kicked and we don't have to and it doesn't have to be this way.
 
Papa Mocha 15 said:
A guy called me a hero the other day, I wanted to throw up in my mouth. Hero's win, we're not winning right now, not even close. We're just getting our collective asses kicked and we don't have to and it doesn't have to be this way.
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Heroes go above and beyond even in a losing cause or they have a cool mutation like a horn or pigeon like reflexes.
 
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I’m not saying that I am for or against vaccines. However, I have seen MANY people who have had covid, have been vaccinated and have had covid again and become ill and hospitalized. Friends of mine; some. For my work currently, I track the admissions and if they have been vaccinated and which one. Most are Pfizer and the cases are 50/50 of unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

For the record, I have been vaccinated but I firmly stand with my nursing brothers and sisters refusing the jab and leaving the bedside, the unsafe ratio’s and all the other BS at the hospital setting. Nursing is not what it used to be.
 
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Of course, I'm not in a high-risk area like a hospital, but I'm seeing the opposite where I work. 100 faculty, 1 case of someone who was vaccinated, 7 of those who weren't. 90% of us are vaccinated, so that's a pretty glaring difference - 1 out of 90 vs 7 of 10. There are only a couple unvaccinated ones who didn't get it, and both are ridiculously careful as they have medical reasons where they can't. One of them mostly teaches remotely.
 
Dooney said:
I’m not saying that I am for or against vaccines. However, I have seen MANY people who have had covid, have been vaccinated and have had covid again and become ill and hospitalized. Friends of mine; some. For my work currently, I track the admissions and if they have been vaccinated and which one. Most are Pfizer and the cases are 50/50 of unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

For the record, I have been vaccinated but I firmly stand with my nursing brothers and sisters refusing the jab and leaving the bedside, the unsafe ratio’s and all the other BS at the hospital setting. Nursing is not what it used to be.
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That is the definition of anecdotal and does not align at all with the nationwide data which pretty definitively shows that being vaccinated 1) significantly lowers your chances of getting covid, 2) significantly lowers your chances of becoming severely ill, and 3) significantly lowers you chances of dying.
 
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Chazz Reinhold said:
That is the definition of anecdotal and does not align at all with the nationwide data which pretty definitively shows that being vaccinated 1) significantly lowers your chances of getting covid, 2) significantly lowers your chances of becoming severely ill, and 3) significantly lowers you chances of dying.
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The vaccine only does the second, preventing you from becoming severely ill or lowering your chances of becoming severely ill. Can prevent you from being so ill that you need to be hospitalized.
 
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