General COVID-19 Talk #4 MOD Warning

[Lt Dan]

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

Indeed on the bolded

But cases= future hospitalizations and deaths .


People tend to care the more about deaths(I get it) but it is the least timely of the stats. Hosp is the most immediate and that has been trending up. I think we might see an increase in cases next week

I'm looking for the day we start tracking post Covid related hospitalizations (dialysis, HF etc). Not even tallying that at this point but they are already coming in. There is no long game plan in place as it relates to this that I"m seeing, just that we are documenting it so it can be extrapolated later as vaccines are the priority and where the resources need to go since those resources are limited. This is the quality of life thing that we've talked about to death. If people just wore a mask.... People got it backwards, they think the mask is just for them. It's to protect everyone else from the all the crap that comes out of their mouth when they talk, breathe, cough etc, when they are asymptomatic. Of course, it's not full protection, but that's why they also social distance on top of it. But people only tend to think surface level. People think it will never happen to them....cancer, MS, ALS, COPD....some is preventable, some of it isn't. Covid is preventable and this country has failed at it and I'm tired of feeling like I'm carrying society on my back. This country is great at fixing the emergency in the hospital, admittedly, we fail in preventative care. We fail more as a society when we look at the individual over the community in face of an epidemic. But hey, media outlets gotta get their ratings going to feed the machine. They use conspiracy theories which are fun, exciting, sexy in some way, mental stimulation for those who fail at logic and reason and have no background in evidence or the scientific process or engineering that built this country and need to be persuaded so they can feel alive and like they are fighting for something. People are swayed by calls to patriotism and fear mongering. They'll give their money and line pockets and be fed the same BS. FreeDUMB, they cry. Then those cries turn to different cries and those bring tears as they realize they lost a family member because they chose to follow the charismatic speaker with no evidence. We'll still hold their hands, and when we can't, we can do that glove thing in warm water when we're busy.

Really no excuse anymore. Over half a million dead. We rank dead last here. Wonder if they'll ever study how we got here and use it as an example in the future.

Generations of people have been lost. Kids are going to grow up without grandparents. It was preventable...... It was largely preventable.

Thanks for letting me vent here a bit sometimes. I should say it is therapeutic and helps me organize my thoughts and clear my head on whatever crap I just saw You guys are great, even if we disagree sometimes or a lot Hope everyone is doing well or trending up.

 

[Fishhead]

I've already made up my mind and would be pretty tough for anything to change it.

I totally understand hesitancy with vaccines, but if you are high risk I truly hope you don't get it again. A co-workers husband at work got it a 2nd time and he didn't make it, and he was in his 40s. He had it pretty early, then likely was infected with one of the variants. It's rare that it turns out that way, but there is always that chance. I'm hoping with enough people vaccinated the groups that do not will be safe also.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm high risk but had it a few weeks ago and I was barely sick. I've had much worse stomach and cold flus. I will not be taking any vaccine.

I'm very glad that you--despite high risk--had what sounds like a mild case and came out of everything fine.

I am not very high risk and had a pretty awful case and was on and off still feeling the effects.

Just found out I essentially have a hole in my heart, Covid related. Prognosis isn't exactly grim, but I won't be playing any competitive hockey anymore. Think Henrik Lundqvist with worse doctors, lol.

I'm not going to urge you to reconsider how you live, your freedom, your vaccination, those things. And I appreciate that you haven't been aggressive about it here even if I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I would encourage you to consider that others have dissimilar experiences and that there are some very, very small things you can do to help others not go through what I have.


A lot of this has given me a different view on life and instead of being mad or resentful about masks, vaccines, etc., I think I somehow appreciate more that people are doing things in their own way. I know that sounds a little backwards, but I guess I'm also a little hopeful that 'leaving it to the universe' so to speak will make others come around on the (what I believe are) little changes to make to protect others.

 

[Lt Dan]

 

[SFKingshomer]

I want to apologize for downplaying things and not being more empathetic towards people who have suffered. I truly don’t know how I feel about today’s current events. I’ve always been the type to not trust people when there’s so much money at stake. I shouldn’t have been so stubborn or even commented here. It’s sad that everything now days is so 1 side or the other, no middle ground. I fall in the middle on most topics and have never voted because of it. I’ll be 40 in June and this past election was the only time I ever thought about voting. I couldn’t do it because I don’t know what to believe. Both sides seem corrupt and don’t want to work together. They make everything political and that’s a joke to me. I don’t want to make this thread political and didn’t have bad intentions with what I said. I’d love to go to Staples and would not get a fake card just to go, I didn’t mean that. Thank you for letting me reflect and I hope everyone stays safe and happy.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I'm very glad that you--despite high risk--had what sounds like a mild case and came out of everything fine.

I am not very high risk and had a pretty awful case and was on and off still feeling the effects.

Just found out I essentially have a hole in my heart, Covid related. Prognosis isn't exactly grim, but I won't be playing any competitive hockey anymore. Think Henrik Lundqvist with worse doctors, lol.

I'm not going to urge you to reconsider how you live, your freedom, your vaccination, those things. And I appreciate that you haven't been aggressive about it here even if I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I would encourage you to consider that others have dissimilar experiences and that there are some very, very small things you can do to help others not go through what I have.


A lot of this has given me a different view on life and instead of being mad or resentful about masks, vaccines, etc., I think I somehow appreciate more that people are doing things in their own way. I know that sounds a little backwards, but I guess I'm also a little hopeful that 'leaving it to the universe' so to speak will make others come around on the (what I believe are) little changes to make to protect others.

I was sick the last week in March and I still don’t have as much energy. I get short of breath and chest pain when I vape my CBD sometimes. I’m sure part of it is being so fat haha. I’m sorry you have gone through so much, I feel selfish for downplaying things. It sucks that you can’t play hockey...golf? I gave up hockey despite buying a bunch of gear about 4 years ago after getting down to 240. Now I’ve put on more weight than ever and have a bunch of new gear sitting here. I play golf a lot but my neck and back kill sometimes.

 

[Bandit]

I'm very glad that you--despite high risk--had what sounds like a mild case and came out of everything fine.

I am not very high risk and had a pretty awful case and was on and off still feeling the effects.

Just found out I essentially have a hole in my heart, Covid related. Prognosis isn't exactly grim, but I won't be playing any competitive hockey anymore. Think Henrik Lundqvist with worse doctors, lol.

I'm not going to urge you to reconsider how you live, your freedom, your vaccination, those things. And I appreciate that you haven't been aggressive about it here even if I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I would encourage you to consider that others have dissimilar experiences and that there are some very, very small things you can do to help others not go through what I have.


A lot of this has given me a different view on life and instead of being mad or resentful about masks, vaccines, etc., I think I somehow appreciate more that people are doing things in their own way. I know that sounds a little backwards, but I guess I'm also a little hopeful that 'leaving it to the universe' so to speak will make others come around on the (what I believe are) little changes to make to protect others.

Damn man, I’m really sorry to hear that. I don’t know how you can have that outlook on people who refuse to consider how their actions affect others. I’d be pissed. You’re a better man than I.

 

[Lt Dan]

Looking good Billy Ray!

Under 100 new cases for the 3rd day in a row
1.017% positives today
Hosp down from 135 on Friday
ICU down from 29 on Friday

Rolling 7 day cases
Mon-63
Sun-79
Sat-80
Fri-112
Thu-65
Wed-89
Tue- 102


Avg of 84.28 down big time from 158 on Friday


Rolling 7 day death count
Mon-0
Sun5
Sat-5
Fri-17
Thu-7
Wed-13
Tue- 10

8.14 down from 8.42 on Friday

 

[Lt Dan]

Back over 100 cases
2.1% positives today
Hosp down big from 125 but ICU up from 22



Rolling 7 day cases
Tues-127
Mon-63
Sun-79
Sat-80
Fri-112
Thu-65
Wed-89



Avg of 87.85 up from 84.28 yesterday


Rolling 7 day death count
Tues-4
Mon-0
Sun5
Sat-5
Fri-17
Thu-7
Wed-13


Avg of 7.28 down from 8.14 yesterday

 

[BamBam1031]

I'm very glad that you--despite high risk--had what sounds like a mild case and came out of everything fine.

I am not very high risk and had a pretty awful case and was on and off still feeling the effects.

Just found out I essentially have a hole in my heart, Covid related. Prognosis isn't exactly grim, but I won't be playing any competitive hockey anymore. Think Henrik Lundqvist with worse doctors, lol.

I'm not going to urge you to reconsider how you live, your freedom, your vaccination, those things. And I appreciate that you haven't been aggressive about it here even if I disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I would encourage you to consider that others have dissimilar experiences and that there are some very, very small things you can do to help others not go through what I have.


A lot of this has given me a different view on life and instead of being mad or resentful about masks, vaccines, etc., I think I somehow appreciate more that people are doing things in their own way. I know that sounds a little backwards, but I guess I'm also a little hopeful that 'leaving it to the universe' so to speak will make others come around on the (what I believe are) little changes to make to protect others.

Sorry to hear. Must be hard for someone like you to "leave it to the universe," but it's the right way to be. Live and let live. "FreeDUMB" is by definition a messy and chaotic affair, but the alternative is far, far worse. History and all that.

My advice to you? Try coaching youth hockey. You might not have a Gordon Bombay type of epiphany, but it will allow you to enjoy the game in a whole new way. A much more meaningful way, IMHO. At the very least, it will put your new "leave it to the universe" outlook to the test.

Hope it all works out for you.

 

[Schrute farms]

Sorry to hear. Must be hard for someone like you to "leave it to the universe," but it's the right way to be. Live and let live. "FreeDUMB" is by definition a messy and chaotic affair, but the alternative is far, far worse. History and all that.

LOL. The "Cherry Picking" argument to support your position on an issue. An oldie but goodie.
I like it because it automatically informs me that this person is not being intellectually honest and has no interest in listening, learning, etc. to anything except for what supports what they think (common sense, facts, etc. be darn).

 

[Lt Dan]

Yesterday's numbers

Under 100!

0.3% positives today

Hosp down 3 from 113

Icu down from 25

Rolling 7 day cases
Wed-53
Tues-127
Mon-63
Sun-79
Sat-80
Fri-112
Thu-65




Avg of 75.57 down from 87.85 Tuesday


Rolling 7 day death count
Wed-2
Tues-4
Mon-0
Sun5
Sat-5
Fri-17
Thu-7



Avg of 5.71 down from 7.28 Tuesday

 

[Bandit]

LOL. The "Cherry Picking" argument to support your position on an issue. An oldie but goodie.
I like it because it automatically informs me that this person is not being intellectually honest and has no interest in listening, learning, etc. to anything except for what supports what they think (common sense, facts, etc. be darn).

I genuinely wonder what the "I thought I lived in a free country??" people tell themselves sometimes. Do they realize they're 'free' to get drafted and sent off to war to get killed, or 'free' to star in a porno at age 18, but they're not 'free' to go to a bar and drink a beer under federal law for another 3 years after that? Or more pertinently, they are 'free' to take a test to get a driver's license, and if their state grants them one they are 'free' to drive, but they're not 'free' to run red lights when they feel like it because it makes them a menace to public health and they will be cited and ultimately arrested and thrown in jail. Civilized society has rules and we are (allegedly) civilized. Unless you own your own island, unlimited personal freedom is a myth. Even then... just ask Jeffery Epstein.

Anyhow, I got my first shot of Moderna two days ago. Was tired as hell the first night and the following morning, then woke up today with a raging headache. Not really sure if that was the vaccine or the Woodford though...

 

[Lt Dan]

Anyhow, I got my first shot of Moderna two days ago. Was tired as hell the first night and the following morning, then woke up today with a raging headache. Not really sure if that was the vaccine or the Woodford though...

Or your ears being so unfamiliar with the sound of the Kings' goal horn!

 

[Bandit]

Or your ears being so unfamiliar with the sound of the Kings' goal horn!

Heh true, was probably that...

 

[SFKingshomer]

I liked the Lehner interview discussing the mental health impact this is creating.

 

[Schrute farms]

I liked the Lehner interview discussing the mental health impact this is creating.

I haven't watched nor read that yet. But i do think you are onto something with that topic. The mental health aspect for all (children, teenagers, young adults, etc.) is a huge blind spot in all of this and a time bomb that is coming (if not already started) for us to deal with as a society. It's like operation Desert Storm, taking out Saddam., etc while not seeing what was going on to the side as a result/aftermath with OBL, al-Qaeda, etc. Way too focused on one specific area to the detriment of others is a very bad thing as history tells us time after time.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I haven't watched nor read that yet. But i do think you are onto something with that topic. The mental health aspect for all (children, teenagers, young adults, etc.) is a huge blind spot in all of this and a time bomb that is coming (if not already started) for us to deal with as a society. It's like operation Desert Storm, taking out Saddam., etc while not seeing what was going on to the side as a result/aftermath with OBL, al-Qaeda, etc. Way too focused on one specific area to the detriment of others is a very bad thing as history tells us time after time.

You just know people with drug and alcohol problems are much worse off from sitting at home unemployed.

 

[Schrute farms]

You just know people with drug and alcohol problems are much worse off from sitting at home unemployed.

There's a plethora of issues beyond just drug/alcohol abuse too -- domestic violence, child abuse, depression, isolation issues, loneliness, furtherance of mental health problems, lack of hope/happiness, crazy conspiracy theories fueling wack-job's brains....you could go on & on. The political divisiveness fueling society that's created/pushed for personal gain doesn't help either (but let's not go there please).

 

[Bandit]

I haven't watched nor read that yet. But i do think you are onto something with that topic. The mental health aspect for all (children, teenagers, young adults, etc.) is a huge blind spot in all of this and a time bomb that is coming (if not already started) for us to deal with as a society. It's like operation Desert Storm, taking out Saddam., etc while not seeing what was going on to the side as a result/aftermath with OBL, al-Qaeda, etc. Way too focused on one specific area to the detriment of others is a very bad thing as history tells us time after time.

It was worth the 10 minutes IMO. He rambled a little but overall made some good points.

 

[Fishhead]

The worst thing is it's almost a no-win battle. There are so many people now there aren't enough services, and the way our health insurance is set up here can result in barriers as well. This isn't the last pandemic like situation we are going to have, as population grows they will become more common. We can all see the problems but coming up with solutions is going to be very difficult, and likely expensive.

People are also more open now and more socially aware, but along with that comes a lack of mental toughness. Not with everyone, but it's a general trend - people just aren't as resilient and don't deal with things as well as they did 40 years ago. We are kind of coddled, to be honest, life is a lot easier than it used to be.

 

[Sol]

It definitely begs the question. If mostly the people who are of older age are the ones that covid usually is lethal to, then I don't see logically why the entire population has to be shut down for it. The damage from isolating people in my opinion is worse than the virus itself. Especially since most younger people easily fight it off without pre-existing conditions of course.

Im not trying to argue with those who think otherwise since it's just my opinion and my feeling on the matter. I just think that younger people should be living their lives normally while the endangered group treads carefully. I don't see why we'd be painting with a broad brush. I feel that it's a lot more dangerous isolating people and damaging their livelihoods is more dangerous.

But whatever. Just want things to start going again. Bring out the full menus man. Enough of this condensed crap. Missing some of the best dishes at my favorite spots.

 

[Lt Dan]

It definitely begs the question. If mostly the people who are of older age are the ones that covid usually is lethal to, then I don't see logically why the entire population has to be shut down for it. The damage from isolating people in my opinion is worse than the virus itself. Especially since most younger people easily fight it off without pre-existing conditions of course.

Im not trying to argue with those who think otherwise since it's just my opinion and my feeling on the matter. I just think that younger people should be living their lives normally while the endangered group treads carefully. I don't see why we'd be painting with a broad brush.

Because of variants. The virus could mutate to become deadlier and also could mutate to where the vaccines don't work or are less effective. The fire is almost out. This is not the time to stoke it or throw gasoline all over it


We are almost there. People need to chill for like 2 more months and we should be all good

 

[Lt Dan]

How many cases today Bill and Ted ?

0.6% positives today
Hosp unchanged
ICU up 1

Rolling 7 day cases
Thu-69!
Wed-53
Tues-127
Mon-63
Sun-79
Sat-80
Fri-112

Avg of 83.29 up from 75.57 yesterday


Rolling 7 day death count

Thu-8
Wed-2
Tues-4
Mon-0
Sun5
Sat-5
Fri-17



Avg of 5.85 up from 5.71 yesterday