General COVID-19 Talk #2, NHL Phase 2 begins early June Mod Warning post 1

[Lt Dan]

No info on deaths, but COVID admissions at my doctor friend's hospital in OC are up 8% from yesterday. Up 16% from yesterday at affiliated hospital in San Bernardino.

I almost want to rename you EF Hutton because when you talk everyone listens

 

[Lt Dan]

When HeadInjury posts

 

[HeadInjury]

Quit stoking my ego or I might start posting how I really feel about Kubalik.

 

[Lt Dan]

Quit stoking my ego or I might start posting how I really feel about Kubalik.

I do appreciate what you do, but there was also a pretty strong desire to make EF Hutton jokes on my part.
I can't believe I didn't think of it for Ben last season

 

[KINGS17]

Quit stoking my ego or I might start posting how I really feel about Kubalik.

"Stoking" or "stroking"?

 

[HeadInjury]

Stoking, as in adding fuel to the fire.

I work clean dude.

 

[Lt Dan]

Stoking, as in adding fuel to the fire.

I work clean dude.

Pro tip

the best way to stoke a fire is a leafblower

you'll thank me later

 

[Lt Dan]

6 non SNF deaths today .
The ICU cases finally dipped a little, down 9 , from 236
New cases are still way too high, but are down
Positive test % today was 36.75!!?? Jesus
Hospitalization is down from 691, still too high but that is good.


Rolling 7 day of non SNF deaths
Fri: 6
Thu:17
Wed:4
Tues: 3
Mon:0
Sun:3
Sat : 0

Wow 4.71 average.

 

[Lt Dan]

1251 new cases today 18.51% positive
9 deaths, 6 were SNF so 3
231 ICU cases

A rough few weeks are on the way

 

[HeadInjury]

Latest info I have is admissions up 6% today at my doctor friend's OC hospital and 5% in San Bernardino. Leveling off in some other places apparently.

 

[HeadInjury]

Florida announced over 15,000 new COVID cases, the most in a single day. New deaths were 45.

They tested about 143,000 people, so the positivity rate was 11.25%, which is actually the lowest rate in weeks. I guess that's the silver lining.

 

[LAKings88]

COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Flatlining?

 

[KINGS17]

COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Flatlining?

I found this to be accurate and what I would expect. The average age of people contracting the disease has dropped significantly now that we have stopped intentionally exposing nursing home residents to COVID-19.

 

[KINGS17]

Where is the common sense? I feel sad for this women and her family, but if you have asthma, diabetes, and lupus, maybe you shouldn't be in the classroom teaching. This is exactly the sort of thing we have been talking about. If you are at high-risk, stay home.

Arizona coronavirus: Three teachers who shared a classroom got Covid-19. One of them died - CNN

Kimberley Byrd started feeling unwell in June. She was prone to sinus infections, and also had asthma, diabetes and lupus. Her doctor gave her antibiotics and steroids and on June 13, she went to the emergency room, according to her husband, Jesse Byrd Sr.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Where is the common sense? I feel sad for this women and her family, but if you have asthma, diabetes, and lupus, maybe you shouldn't be in the classroom teaching. This is exactly the sort of thing we have been talking about. If you are at high-risk, stay home.

Arizona coronavirus: Three teachers who shared a classroom got Covid-19. One of them died - CNN

Kimberley Byrd started feeling unwell in June. She was prone to sinus infections, and also had asthma, diabetes and lupus. Her doctor gave her antibiotics and steroids and on June 13, she went to the emergency room, according to her husband, Jesse Byrd Sr.

I don’t think it’s that simple. There are a large number of Americans for whom it is not economically feasible not to work. I don’t know one way or the other whether she was, but refraining from work due to underlying conditions is just not an option for a great number of people.

 

[KINGS17]

I don’t think it’s that simple. There are a large number of Americans for whom it is not economically feasible not to work. I don’t know one way or the other whether she was, but refraining from work due to underlying conditions is just not an option for a great number of people.

I understand your point, but this is the type of story which is being used to advocate for shutting down the entire country.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I understand your point, but this is the type of story which is being used to advocate for shutting down the entire country.

These are the kind of stories being used to advocate for not shoveling kids and teachers back into classrooms next month while the country deals with major case issues.

"You shouldn't be in the classroom teaching" is pretty brutal, bluntly. Teachers already get the shit end of the stick of public policy especially with a nutcase like Devos in charge, smearing them doesn't help a thing.

 

[KINGS17]

These are the kind of stories being used to advocate for not shoveling kids and teachers back into classrooms next month while the country deals with major case issues.

"You shouldn't be in the classroom teaching" is pretty brutal, bluntly. Teachers already get the shit end of the stick of public policy especially with a nutcase like Devos in charge, smearing them doesn't help a thing.

There are many teachers who could be in the classroom safely teaching students. I am still and will remain an advocate for people who are at high risk isolating themselves while others go about their lives. People at high risk in any line of work should continue to stay home. Why force others to not live their lives, because a limited number of people are at risk?

Devos is not the issue. There is little thought to the damage being done to children by keeping them at home instead of in school where they belong.

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There are many teachers who could be in the classroom safely teaching students. I am still and will remain an advocate for people who are at high risk isolating themselves while others go about their lives.

Devos is not the issue. There is little thought to the damage being done to children by keeping them at home instead of in school where they belong.

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks

I'm a former teacher and have a kid stuck at home. I'm well aware of the issues and concerns and it bums me out every day to see her struggles with it.

But as a parent and one that knows plenty about the lack of resources available to teachers in good times as well as lack of resources available to the general public currently AND the out of control situations around the country, advocating for kids to go back in spite of the current situation is reckless. I know you mean well. I know it's about balancing risk/reward. I know local districts are planning for a variety of deliveries, including some kids go in morning/some in afternoon, full distance learning, opening with safety, etc...believe me, the locals are putting 100x more heart and thought into it than that f***ing unqualified succubus who has a well-documented vested interest in public schools struggling.

Yes, other countries with much more control over their outbreaks saw similarly minimal issues returning to school. But let's not pretend we're in the same boat, particularly now. If you would have asked me in March, maybe.

I would defer to what the teachers say in this case and they'll tell you often they miss the kids even more than you think. And distance education will never replace the socialization and benefits of in person learning (and that's even without talking about questions of access--my special education department friends have spent all summer making accommodations for individualized learning so they all stay on track). But there is a huge risk there given how many contacts each person has and I can't find a single one that's comfortable with rolling back in August.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm a former teacher and have a kid stuck at home. I'm well aware of the issues and concerns and it bums me out every day to see her struggles with it.

But as a parent and one that knows plenty about the lack of resources available to teachers in good times as well as lack of resources available to the general public currently AND the out of control situations around the country, advocating for kids to go back in spite of the current situation is reckless. I know you mean well. I know it's about balancing risk/reward. I know local districts are planning for a variety of deliveries, including some kids go in morning/some in afternoon, full distance learning, opening with safety, etc...believe me, the locals are putting 100x more heart and thought into it than that f***ing unqualified succubus who has a well-documented vested interest in public schools struggling.

Yes, other countries with much more control over their outbreaks saw similarly minimal issues returning to school. But let's not pretend we're in the same boat, particularly now. If you would have asked me in March, maybe.

I would defer to what the teachers say in this case and they'll tell you often they miss the kids even more than you think. And distance education will never replace the socialization and benefits of in person learning (and that's even without talking about questions of access--my special education department friends have spent all summer making accommodations for individualized learning so they all stay on track). But there is a huge risk there given how many contacts each person has and I can't find a single one that's comfortable with rolling back in August.

I prefer the counsel of the American Pediatric Association on this issue, over that of teachers.

U.S. Pediatricians Call For In-Person School This Fall

 

[Fishhead]

I prefer the counsel of the American Pediatric Association on this issue, over that of teachers.

U.S. Pediatricians Call For In-Person School This Fall

Following their guidelines and recommendations, you are looking at no more than 15 students in a typical classroom. Most public school class sizes are in the upper 30's to 40's. You also need time to disinfect touch surfaces in between classes and make accommodations for students who need it on campus. So students will be going back to school, but it's not going to be for a full day and it's in many cases it won't be 5 days a week. Schools will be open, but students will be going half day and won't be on campus every day.

I work at a private school and here is what we are doing (14-18 year olds):

Monday/Tuesday - Students either come from 8:30-11:30 or 12:15-3:15. Classes are split into morning and afternoon blocks of 50 minutes each, maximum of 15 students in each. Even classes on Monday, Odd on Tuesday. Non-academics like Athletics and Performing Arts are either before school or after school.

Wednesday - Online Hybrid classes meet for students who want to take advanced courses in a more or less online environment. Students can come on campus for office hours with instructors. The rest of the time is prep and collaboration for faculty.

Thursday/Friday - Same as Monday/Tuesday

Students are required to wear masks and each one is temp scanned and evaluated before they are allowed on campus. Once they are in class they may remove masks as they will be 6 feet apart. Campus will have one-way paths to keep student interactions at a minimum. Students cannot loiter during passing periods. Classrooms will be disinfected between each section, with focus on high touch areas. HVAC will be ran with doors open to increase airflow and remove particles. Students will be in class roughly 15 hours per week, unless their sport is active and they have extra practice time.

This is the only way that students could all be fit into classrooms while maintaining distance and a somewhat safe environment. There was concern after distance learning completed that our enrollment would be impacted and we might be forced to trim faculty, but after releasing this schedule applications are through the roof. We are turning students away as we are at capacity. Most public schools are opening but with even less class time, so we are in demand. It tells you how desperate people are when they will pay close to $20K to get their kid on a campus for a few more hours, longer if they are in a sport (which they also have fees for).

We aren't unionized, so everyone worked closely together to make sure we came up with the best possible plan. Public schools don't have this luxury. They have double our class sizes, less classroom space, and far fewer admin to assist teachers. They only thing they have on us is money, and they tend to squander it.

If anyone thinks a public school teacher is going to be in a class with 40 students, they are sorely mistaken. Their unions will make sure that doesn't happen, and it's not like credentialed teachers grow on trees. I mean, would anyone want to be packed in a space with teenagers who have the common sense of an eggplant?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I prefer the counsel of the American Pediatric Association on this issue, over that of teachers.

U.S. Pediatricians Call For In-Person School This Fall

But they also say "wherever and whenever they can do so safely," which is insanely against what's going on out there right now.

Even the article quotes teachers who aren't comfortable with it.

Following their guidelines and recommendations, you are looking at no more than 15 students in a typical classroom. Most public school class sizes are in the upper 30's to 40's. You also need time to disinfect touch surfaces in between classes and make accommodations for students who need it on campus. So students will be going back to school, but it's not going to be for a full day and it's in many cases it won't be 5 days a week. Schools will be open, but students will be going half day and won't be on campus every day.

I work at a private school and here is what we are doing (14-18 year olds):

Monday/Tuesday - Students either come from 8:30-11:30 or 12:15-3:15. Classes are split into morning and afternoon blocks of 50 minutes each, maximum of 15 students in each. Even classes on Monday, Odd on Tuesday. Non-academics like Athletics and Performing Arts are either before school or after school.

Wednesday - Online Hybrid classes meet for students who want to take advanced courses in a more or less online environment. Students can come on campus for office hours with instructors. The rest of the time is prep and collaboration for faculty.

Thursday/Friday - Same as Monday/Tuesday

Students are required to wear masks and each one is temp scanned and evaluated before they are allowed on campus. Once they are in class they may remove masks as they will be 6 feet apart. Campus will have one-way paths to keep student interactions at a minimum. Students cannot loiter during passing periods. Classrooms will be disinfected between each section, with focus on high touch areas. HVAC will be ran with doors open to increase airflow and remove particles. Students will be in class roughly 15 hours per week, unless their sport is active and they have extra practice time.

This is the only way that students could all be fit into classrooms while maintaining distance and a somewhat safe environment. There was concern after distance learning completed that our enrollment would be impacted and we might be forced to trim faculty, but after releasing this schedule applications are through the roof. We are turning students away as we are at capacity. Most public schools are opening but with even less class time, so we are in demand. It tells you how desperate people are when they will pay close to $20K to get their kid on a campus for a few more hours, longer if they are in a sport (which they also have fees for).

We aren't unionized, so everyone worked closely together to make sure we came up with the best possible plan. Public schools don't have this luxury. They have double our class sizes, less classroom space, and far fewer admin to assist teachers. They only thing they have on us is money, and they tend to squander it.

If anyone thinks a public school teacher is going to be in a class with 40 students, they are sorely mistaken. Their unions will make sure that doesn't happen, and it's not like credentialed teachers grow on trees. I mean, would anyone want to be packed in a space with teenagers who have the common sense of an eggplant?

Yes--above is a great example of how it CAN work in an environment where admin has pretty strict control on enrollment and behavior to a degree not seen in public schools.

In districts where class sizes are 30-40 and kids are already in temporary classrooms, it's just not feasible from a staffing standpoint to say nothing of trying to get thousands of kids to comply.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

A bad news good news thread, but this is an important takeaway

 

[Bandit]

30-year-old dies after attending 'Covid party' in Texas

Just another example of hoe our priorities are all f***ed up when it comes to education vs. sports.

 

[KINGS17]

Following their guidelines and recommendations, you are looking at no more than 15 students in a typical classroom. Most public school class sizes are in the upper 30's to 40's. You also need time to disinfect touch surfaces in between classes and make accommodations for students who need it on campus. So students will be going back to school, but it's not going to be for a full day and it's in many cases it won't be 5 days a week. Schools will be open, but students will be going half day and won't be on campus every day.

I work at a private school and here is what we are doing (14-18 year olds):

Monday/Tuesday - Students either come from 8:30-11:30 or 12:15-3:15. Classes are split into morning and afternoon blocks of 50 minutes each, maximum of 15 students in each. Even classes on Monday, Odd on Tuesday. Non-academics like Athletics and Performing Arts are either before school or after school.

Wednesday - Online Hybrid classes meet for students who want to take advanced courses in a more or less online environment. Students can come on campus for office hours with instructors. The rest of the time is prep and collaboration for faculty.

Thursday/Friday - Same as Monday/Tuesday

Students are required to wear masks and each one is temp scanned and evaluated before they are allowed on campus. Once they are in class they may remove masks as they will be 6 feet apart. Campus will have one-way paths to keep student interactions at a minimum. Students cannot loiter during passing periods. Classrooms will be disinfected between each section, with focus on high touch areas. HVAC will be ran with doors open to increase airflow and remove particles. Students will be in class roughly 15 hours per week, unless their sport is active and they have extra practice time.

This is the only way that students could all be fit into classrooms while maintaining distance and a somewhat safe environment. There was concern after distance learning completed that our enrollment would be impacted and we might be forced to trim faculty, but after releasing this schedule applications are through the roof. We are turning students away as we are at capacity. Most public schools are opening but with even less class time, so we are in demand. It tells you how desperate people are when they will pay close to $20K to get their kid on a campus for a few more hours, longer if they are in a sport (which they also have fees for).

We aren't unionized, so everyone worked closely together to make sure we came up with the best possible plan. Public schools don't have this luxury. They have double our class sizes, less classroom space, and far fewer admin to assist teachers. They only thing they have on us is money, and they tend to squander it.

If anyone thinks a public school teacher is going to be in a class with 40 students, they are sorely mistaken. Their unions will make sure that doesn't happen, and it's not like credentialed teachers grow on trees. I mean, would anyone want to be packed in a space with teenagers who have the common sense of an eggplant?

It's refreshing to actually see a plan, and I would expect a private school to not have all of the issues which comes with the public school teacher's union.

I think this is better than straight "distance learning", and the student accountability will be much better.

When it comes to primary school students, I think the European experience with reopening schools is the road map to follow for the United States.