Aw come on, "Crosby's greatness" you forgot who this account is suppose to kiss ass to?stockbroker said:
GDT: USA-Belarus, 7:30 p.m Local Time
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AgentNaslund said:
first of all, it was one bad game, untill canada wins this thing back you've got nothing to crow about.
second: You didn't like Phill Kessel?
You didn't like that nice move he made to beat a defender at the blueline early in the first?
The bad angle, through traffic, top-shelf wrist shot?
The take away in the offenseive zone in the third to create another scoring chance?
The fact that the guy is 17, 2 years away from his draft year, and was around the puck creating chances all night?
I'm not going to tell you that he's gonna be a future superstar becouse I havn't seen him play enough to make that kind of judgement. But I thought, expecially when you consider his age, that he looked great tonight.
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karl_hungus said:
first goal: guy had a breakaway and hit top shelf with shot...
second goal: great pass to a wide open player inside the circles...another good shot right under the arm (stoppable but not easy)
third goal: another top shelf shot within the circles
MONTOYA did worse than SCHNEIDER in this game and in the other 2...wahts your point?
2forsbergaura1 said:
did you even see the third goal? it was a bad angle shot that sneeked in by his skate. No way was it top-shelf.
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I will expand on my thoughts.
Kessel didn't look bad. He is fast and has a nice release on his shot.
The thing is, he doesn't seem to have the killer instincts that Crosby has.
Kessel totally disappears in trafic, and he is virtually the same age as Crosby.
Crosby thrives in trafic. The nastier the game gets, the better Crosby plays.
Even though they are the same age, it is a little unfair to compare Kessel to Crosby.
Crosby is the greatest talent to emerge since Lemieux.
Kessel didn't look bad. He is fast and has a nice release on his shot.
The thing is, he doesn't seem to have the killer instincts that Crosby has.
Kessel totally disappears in trafic, and he is virtually the same age as Crosby.
Crosby thrives in trafic. The nastier the game gets, the better Crosby plays.
Even though they are the same age, it is a little unfair to compare Kessel to Crosby.
Crosby is the greatest talent to emerge since Lemieux.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Americans really take it to the Czechs tomorrow. The only thing I see is that the American defensemen might tighten up and have their confidence shot, and the Czechs could take advantage of that.
My prediction for tomorrow: the American forwards have an amazing game, the defensemen are subpar but the goaltending comes through. The final result and score, however, are too close to predict right now. It'll be the game of the tournament, IMO, tho the Fin-Swe game was pretty good too.
My prediction for tomorrow: the American forwards have an amazing game, the defensemen are subpar but the goaltending comes through. The final result and score, however, are too close to predict right now. It'll be the game of the tournament, IMO, tho the Fin-Swe game was pretty good too.
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People have to calm down in here.
As much as I love to see Belarus win against the US, I think the US can play outstanding in the 1/4s or the 1/2s. Montoya can keep the US in the tournament, he proved it against the Russians in the 3rd period. And they have enough firepower to beat any team in this tournament, but they have to stick to a very organized and structerd game, which they didn't do tonight.
Now my only big fear is Russia losing against the Swiss, they can...but shouldn't.
As much as I love to see Belarus win against the US, I think the US can play outstanding in the 1/4s or the 1/2s. Montoya can keep the US in the tournament, he proved it against the Russians in the 3rd period. And they have enough firepower to beat any team in this tournament, but they have to stick to a very organized and structerd game, which they didn't do tonight.
Now my only big fear is Russia losing against the Swiss, they can...but shouldn't.
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xander said:
i saw EVERY goal and the replays very carefully actually. i also see a lot of people here defending montoya just cause he is so HYPED. he is OVERHYPED and he wont be no RICHTER...this coming from a RANGERS fan
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Argghhhh. What can I say about this one? 
Hopefully we come out flying tomorrow and ready to kick some a&&. I hate going to bed pi&&ed. Too bad Espn decided not to show tomorrow's game. Sure show the Belarus game ,but not the Czech game? Come on ESPN. 
Hopefully we come out flying tomorrow and ready to kick some a&&. I hate going to bed pi&&ed. Too bad Espn decided not to show tomorrow's game. Sure show the Belarus game ,but not the Czech game? Come on ESPN. 2forsbergaura1 said:
Montoya is good when He's good , Montaya is bad when He's bad.
I mean when He has confidence this guy can impress.Do you saw the third period against Russia ?
Once He's losing confidence then He's playing terribly.That's what We saw vs Belarus today.
People jump to conclusions after a game or two.
Montoya has me a little concerned but only one goal was his fault today. And it was the first shot he faced after sitting on the bench.
Its all mental right now.
One bad tourney doesnt kill his value. I think people put too much into this tourney and how prospects stock rises/falls.
Montoya has me a little concerned but only one goal was his fault today. And it was the first shot he faced after sitting on the bench.
Its all mental right now.
One bad tourney doesnt kill his value. I think people put too much into this tourney and how prospects stock rises/falls.
stockbroker said:
As someone stated in another thread, the comparison being made is the two players comparitive value to their respective nations. The article suggest that what Crosby is to Canada - their top prospects in years, Kessel might be to the US - their top prospect in years. The article doesn't say that Crosby and Kessel are equal talents.
2forsbergaura1 said:
Are you sure you saw every goal? becouse the third goal wasn't even close to being top-shelf.
I'm not going to argue whether or not Montoya is over-rated becouse I havn't seen him play enough to make such an assesment. But I dont think your being fair to him tonight. He let in one extreemly bad goal, but you can't fault him for the second one if your gonna escuse Schneider for his first 2 (the second of which I thought was soft) and certainly not if your gonna write of Schneider's third (which was extreemly soft.) Your also ignoring Al's third period, which was very good.
xander said:
Yeh, after Hensick (i think) TOTALLY failed to pick up his man, not once, but twice.
AgentNaslund said:
Where? I've read most of the threads involving Kessel and I didn't see that.
If it's true than I think that person is pretty far out there.
Yup he did say it. IN the Ovechkin or Crosby ? Thread. ONe guy said
"neither, I take Phil Kessel" or something like that. and yes hes way off. Im not making this up.
"neither, I take Phil Kessel" or something like that. and yes hes way off. Im not making this up.
chicpea said:
true, the US defense was bad all night, I'm not excusing them, but that doesn't meen it wasn't a soft goal.
AgentNaslund said:
Well, I stopped reading the "Ovechkin or Crosby" threads some time last year.
Either way, I think enough people have said that the comparisons are bogus for Stock to get it.
This game was just weird. I mean I have never seen a goal like the US 3rd goal before in my life. That was just unbelievable. But I know the US is going to take a lot of flack for this lost, and though they should for playing as bad as they did, it is still one game. I mean if the US wins tomorrow then they're still sitting pretty good for the medal rounds, and the way this tournament is set up its one game... winner takes all, anything can happen.
Now I'm not saying that the US doesn't need to change anything, because they really need to figure out a little thing called defense and consistent goaltending, I wouldn't write them off just yet. Because hey, look at the NFL, the fricken Dolphins beat the Pats, that doesn't mean the Pats are a terrible team.
But still, congrats to team Belarus. They really put forward a good effort.
Now I'm not saying that the US doesn't need to change anything, because they really need to figure out a little thing called defense and consistent goaltending, I wouldn't write them off just yet. Because hey, look at the NFL, the fricken Dolphins beat the Pats, that doesn't mean the Pats are a terrible team.
But still, congrats to team Belarus. They really put forward a good effort.
Who would have thought the Belarus-USA thread would have gotten 500 posts...
A lot of extremes going on in this thread. I personally don't think this affects the US' chances much. May shatter their confidence, but we'll have to wait to see. They're still up there with Canada and Russia as faves (although may be around Czech level now, though that's nothing to sneeze at). Just be glad they got this stinker out of the way in the round robin.
A lot of extremes going on in this thread. I personally don't think this affects the US' chances much. May shatter their confidence, but we'll have to wait to see. They're still up there with Canada and Russia as faves (although may be around Czech level now, though that's nothing to sneeze at). Just be glad they got this stinker out of the way in the round robin.
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